dayman

Like I said above I don't think the law is unreasonable I just think given these facts the most important factor is voter confidence in the process and it should be made applicable to later elections not this one. But the point of my #4 up there is not that there IS no evidence of in person fraud, it's that there is almost none while there IS lots of evidence of absentee ballot fraud. It seems if you want to address the issue you would start there. Republicans are more likely to mail in their ballot. New more strict absentee ballot rules would get at the issue of known fraud more than these voter ID laws...but would likely hinder GOP voters more. Hence the appearance of corruption. Plus a number of other factors nationwide and in the Penn legislature that also add to that appearance. This kind of thing just isn't good for the country.

This is straight up hilarious.

Voter impersonation fraud, which could be prevented by the types of voter ID laws passed in Republican-led states the past few years, is virtually nonexistent, according to a new study. The investigative reporting project News21 sent public information requests to all 50 states and found 10 cases of alleged in-person voter fraud since 2000. Out of the 146 million registered voters in the U.S., that number represents one case of voter impersonation fraud for every 15 million potential voters. Of the 10 cases of voter fraud, five of them involved family members illegally voting on behalf of relatives. "The fraud that matters is the fraud that is organized," Lorraine Minnite, author of The Myth of Voter Fraud, told News21. "That's why voter impersonation is practically non-existent because it is difficult to do and it is difficult to pull people into conspiracies to do it." http://www.drudge.co...ud-non-existent

As the voter ID issues goes the way I see it: 1) Most people when polled agree it isn't manifestly unreasonable. 2) There isn't any actual evidence of voter fraud. 3) As such, it makes no sense to make this applicable this close to the election. Had it been mad applicable for elections in the future.... probably less uproar. 4) Voter fraud that there is evidence of..is not in person...it's absentee ballot...but there is no legislation restricting that. This law does nothing for that. Voters that vote that way...more likely to vote GOP btw...these are just the facts... 5) Comment by that one state legislature dude ...long story short...is the voter ID unreasonable? Na...not in my opinion. Is beef w/ what is going on legit? yes w/ out a doubt..is this a recipe for public distrust in elections? Absolutely. Is public distrust in elections the most important thing in this scenario given the facts? Without a doubt.

Which is why as I said you compare the DoD to other federal spending not GDP

Try measuring against the rest of the Ryan budget. Defense spending as a percentage of all non-health entitlements per the Ryan budget. The fact that we don't have a serious threat to us militarily can't be over stated. Nobody really thinks we need to increase military spending.

Agreed. I'm sick of Netanyahu at this point. Do what you have to do. If you want to work with us and don't like what we have to say, then by all means go it alone. Also no way he dumps Biden. Won't happen. Simpson-Bowles....maybe the day after the election but not the day before.

One election official was on Eliot Spitzer saying he won't enforce it b/c it was passed too close the election and is thus unfair. Expect law suits if this election is really close. But that goes w/ out saying.

haha, typo...uh .. ya typo

If you have no real power there is no incentive to be anything but a loon. If you get a little something to lose...you have to act a little more reasonably. And usually...you don't get power w/ the ability to act reasonably. Usually that is...

holy **** I think I now understand the tea party...things suddenly falling into place

Pass rush or bust eh?

doggone-it I actually am Biden yall found me out. !@#$ be quiet my post history could hurt the Obama ticket

Nothing major here no scandal or anything but I just find this little comment to be hilarious. Boehner loves that freshman 2010 class and Repubs with perfect conservative voting records. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAsJrWPuYiI

Just to add to the Rubio comment...some tea party people went down in primaries today here in Florida. He's agile but that's where he came from.

No argument. I actually don't agree any of it is all that valid in reality so it's all politics to me. I get the distinction you try to draw but as used against Obama and possibly Ryan in the coming future it's all the same... nonsense. As I see it both Obama and Ryan are what they are...who they read or knew as a young child means nothing to me. That's just me of course.

They have to dismiss it. If they take your approach to counter this attack they've admitted the philosophical influence which can be used against them. Even if they can get away with that Biden will get out there at do his "don't tell me what your values are, show me" bit and so on...

The way I see it that's going to be a talked about attack. If you read the CNN story I linked look at the comments...there are nearly 9000 comments on that opinion piece. That's a !@#$ ton.

I don't think Rubio would have helped him win Florida IMO. The people in Florida who Rubio helps with are on board, those who Rubio hurts with are not. There is little in the middle. Florida will be a bloodbath. Obama will talk medicare voucher. Romney will counter it doesn't hurt those already on Medicare and point to Medicare cuts in Obamacare. Obama will point out those same cuts are in Ryan plan PLUS voucher for the next batch of medicare participants. Ultimately that gets to the nexus...people in Florida like medicare. Will it be enough to say "your medicare is fine" when Obama says "so what about your kids?" Ultimately I do think Ryan will hurt in Florida but it won't be fatal per se. But Florida is going to see a ton of Romney money and Gov. Scott proved in the last election cycle that Florida is for sale to just about anyone w/ enough cash. Lies and money will win Florida. That's the one truth.

"Influences" of Obama have long been a hot topic to right wingers. And so now I suspect Ayn Rand will become an issue. If the Democrats think they can use the Ryan budget as a wedge to fracture the stranglehold the Republicans have on the poor rural Christian south, they're sure to try using the Catholic Nuns opposition to his plan and Ayn Rand...something that would be almost analogous to a number of Republican attacks on Obama in recent years. Expect stories like this to pick some some traction.... http://www.cnn.com/2...rand/index.html

It's not a given btw that he carries WI now though.

Ya and after a little staring at the map it seems about right. Here's the link I had in the other thread you can run a few simulations and sort of see it play out. Stare at Florida/Ohio/Colorado/Iowa/Virginia/N.H./Wisconsin as it goes and you will quickly see the chess match unfold. http://www.270towin.com/simulation/

Agreed but I would add Wisconsin and Colorado and highlight Florida as a blow that makes it next to impossible (but not impossible) for Romney to take it home. It really is Florida as a threshold matter if Romney pulls Florida then the rest of the states we mentioned become a huge chess game.

Ya you are right I ran a few more to get the map in my brain...WI and Virginia can overcome Ohio but nothing seems to get by losing Florida. And Obama seems to be able to win now and again w/ out Florida.

http://www.270towin.com/simulation/ Interesting little simulation. I laugh whenever California turns blue and the Democrat meter shoots the up crazily. California is !@#$ing gigantic. It's not a predictor but it just goes to show how Florida, Ohio, and Virginia are so crucial. I've ran it a few times Romney really can't get the math without them.