dayman

hehe...specifics not as important as the general attitude. It was funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZO2jIR8hc4&list=FLJcAGGviXfI58PvYeu1JWdA&feature=mh_lolz EDIT: new to me but apparently this is old so I failed I admit it hehe

I didn't know that good correction. Having a we built that night the first night is much more reasonable politically probably even changes my opinion on the entire thing. Ultimately the whole thing needs to be about Romney when the lights go on for the gut of the presentation, Romney the man/life story, what makes him tick, who he is, sell him etc...if they get everybody riled up the first night and shift probably be a success. EDIT: BTW if Obama loses ultimately the entire thing will have been lost from before he sworn in when Rahm insisted on including predictions of the unemployment rates in the middle of a **** storm (which they missed by a long shot) in the political sell of the stimulus instead of focusing on the delta (which they got almost exactly right)

Hehe, assuming TC pasted the quote from somewhere .... talk about fast a loose with the exclamation points. I heard the speech on Sirius in the car and that exclamation point is classic print journalism. Anyway Romney isn't a birther he's just going to use every knife he has to show anyone and everyone he will stab Obama with everything he's got and is out to win. Many in his own faction dislike him in reality so if they don't think he is playing to win and can win it would get ugly. Romney has no choice but to blow certain dog whistles. You can hate the party for it, but it's not fair to say Romney is a birther b/c of it.

Hmmm...well in my more than slightly buzzed state it's hard to say. It's a good question though...and I don't have an answer tonight probably won't give it much thought at this point no point. My criticism of making it the actual slogan has nothing to do with using it, it's obvious ammo and they don't deserve to be in politics to not continue it...but to theme the convention around it seems a bit shallow for some reason. It just seems to me to merge the anti-Obama partisan political attacks (legitimate of course this is politics) too much into the genuine message of the party platform 2012. I mean...it just seems...reactionary and political and sort of petty and as an overall convention theme you would think there would be something better...something more authentically GOPish that is somehow all-encompassing of their vision. It seems like it will work with the base obviously but it really does rely on the Obama gaffe/truism however you see it. Obviously w/ out that it wouldn't be the tag line I mean on it's own "we built this" is asinine if viewed on an island it really just makes it seem like the entire deal is reactionary. I feel like I would obviously play it up in the convention and campaigning but I would want a sort of...rock (so to speak) out there that was simply "GOP"...a base that was somehow removed from politics a bit more than this and dealt more with the vision maybe synergistic w/ the Ryan pick and a general philosophy I'm selling... I get that this will do that to an extent...but it's already out there...it's sort of toxic in that it riles up both bases the left gets nuts about it for obvious reasons and the line has hooked who it hooks already. It just seems weak. I mean the GOP convention is now themed "we built this?" It just doesn't seem to really do much in the way of furthering the "official introduction to the masses" while at the same time is just furthering the existing opposition effort to counter. Ultimately I think it really is marginalizing the ability of the whole line of attack to be used effectively in the future it's going to become a meme (more than it is now)

Heavily buzzed I would say. I'm never drunk....unless I'm really really drunk This isn't true anymore IMO. It's up for debate and it certainly was true some time ago, but I think it's an antiquated political outlook. At least in this election.

Hehe as if I pretend to be middle of the road. LA is retarded I'm glad you enjoy his presence. He really provokes great "discussion" he's a real great person to talk with, I mean that btw...if I were repeating nonsense from my little circle of influence and wanted periodically have LA ramble about nothing around the periphery talking at the internet and with nobody he really would be a pleasure.

lol...classic LA...great poster I love your honest middle of the road unemotional approach to politics and reason.

GOP convention official theme: "We built that." Thoughts? Literally building a convention theme around that? Instant criticism from liberal bloggers that the convention itself is in the Tampa Convention Center...built with huge contributions from public funds (more than half) and all small business owners around it probably appreciate that. Also apparently small business address from a speaker that speaks/lectures small businesses on obtaining gov't contracts and funding to get going and increase profits. In any event, literally campaigning on this contextually questionable gaffe? I know everyone here is insane so this is probably great, but seriously? "We built that" is the motto? We'll see how this plays out I guess.

Is this Rob's House clapping for LA? sheesh...

Update on the Zakaria suspension, he's been reinstated after review of the situation and his past and pending work. The paragraph in question (basically factual history) cited the wrong person (guy who generated the stats) cited by the woman who wrote the plagiarized paragraph both of which Fareed used in research and that was plagiarism plain and simple as admitted by Fareed himself...there's a research assistant that has been mentioned in some articles citing his heavy work schedule Fareed makes no mention of that person or their role in this at all....this is something Fareed says he take full responsibility etc etc...thank God for newsbusters combating liberal bias otherwise this might have gone unnoticed.

No alcohol? No tobacco? No caffeine? The guy is brand new he could crawl back into a womb today if he wanted.

Abortion! C'mon guys keep it pumping! Gary M we're talking about killing babies get your ass back in here if we're not up to 30 pages by 12am I'm launching a DoS attack against this place....

true on both accounts hehe

This issue is about funding of abortions? Have you been paying attention?

hehe lol at "first wives" zing

And an early pregnancy isn't a separate human life.

And !@#$ing for pleasure is good and fine and totally legitimate so I could care less about this post. Don't be so anti-sex ya weirdo hehe...if a woman wants to !@#$ for pleasure she can do so regardless of the fact she can get pregnant...if she does she can have a morning after pill, an early abortion, whatever she wants. This is 2012

For the sake of argument the fetus always needs the mother to give birth to them whether or not they can survive after the birth. In any event I'm not outraged at reasonable limitations on abortion. You have the opportunity to have one for a quite a while if it gets too late then you chose to carry it past the point of no return (or you are somehow one of those people who doesn't know they're pregnant which i will never understand)

They really would have...all right before the damn convention too.

This is all good and well except for ya know the whole...living inside the mother and needing the mother to carry them. No matter how you slice it a mother gives birth to people...it's not the same. You can't splice it up and insert law into this situation...it just can't be done.

I must support the drowning of a born, unwanted child who is unquestionably living outside of a mom on it's own if I support a woman's right to abort an early pregnancy regardless of if someone considers it a "person" or not? I don't see how.

I'm just jumping into the discussion here but personally...if you are a woman with an early pregnancy you don't want...I don't even care if some people consider it a 'person' or not. You can decide IMO at that point...even if it is a "person"...that you choose not to give birth to it. The "is it a person or not" and "science now says this blah blah blah" is just a distraction ... to cut the chase most true pro-choice people ultimately agree that the woman can abort an early pregnancy she doesn't want plain and simple. If that's killing babies to you and the person is horrible then fine...go scream about at Church or on the side of the road. I don't care. This is a subject a lot of people kitty-foot around who are pro-chioce b/c it makes them seem uncaring or barbaric...I don't like it I'm not happy about it and it is pretty horrible...but it is what it is and it's up to the woman.

And to just continue posting on auto-pilot...you are free to concern yourself with the interest of your child and other people's children all you want outside the realm of politics. Have at it, wage a culture war, fight for the hearts and minds of your fellow citizens...but on this issue...you don't control them and to speak quite frankly no matter what the conservative movement desires or what anybody says about the likelihood of change in this area...you and Congress never will a change. It just won't ever happen, ever...all this is a waste of time for all pro-life people they're just being manipulated for political gain plain and simple. If they simply focus all their time on private efforts...we would all be much better of including their own movement.

Hehe, I don't know how you are on the fence about Congress banning abortion when you can make a post like this. To you I'm twisting words by saying that a small group of people in Washington would pass judgement that would control what a woman can do with her body in her own reproductive process. To me you are twisting words by talking about Jesus (who doesn't mean anything to me but I'm not casting aspersions on Christians in saying that...just saying) and potentially living beings and personal responsibility (in sex...but not in pregnancy) It's black and white really. Everyone can control their own bodies, and their own reproduction, and they can persuade their neighbors and society that it is moral or just to behave in a certain way...but when they physically control someone else and threaten criminal prosecution and deny services...it's wrong.

The obvious point to make there is once it can live outside the mother it isn't a parasite...maybe you could say it is b/c it needs someone else but anyone can do that job. It is unreasonable for Congress to step in and declare "you have created life now, in the name of the fertilized egg we control you body now through the most intimate process in human history."