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You are thus absolving the GOP from this by declaring "Obama bad"...in other words...you have just sanctioned ransom holding the debt limit the exact thing that was responsible for the downgrade and basically condoned the downgrade. It makes no sense. It's retarded when it's used for political purposes and it's disastrous when taken to the extreme to actually cause real anxiety in the markets. Take off your blinder brother

Politicizing something makes you unfit to lead? Well damn...I think we have a huge problem in Washington in both parties lol In any event a very real ransom and political posturing are two different things...and a downgrade is all the evidence you need. When someone takes a hostage and demands a ransom and the hostage gets shot...we all know who's fault it is. This topic is stupid. Point the finger at some other event this example is pathetic.

It's retarded to use the debt ceiling for anything. It should just be automatic that is the ONLY sane way for things to exist. In any event, retarded as it may be to posture against spending when there is no real anxiety or threat of not actually passing it to make a point known...and to actually hold ransom the debt ceiling in a very serious way that is creating all kinds of anxiety...are two different brands of stupid. By any analysis...both retarded...and one clearly way way more retarded. There is no excuse..."Obama did it in '06" is no point at all to relieve the ransom that happened plain and simple. There is no excuse. It is straight retarded. Congress buyers car. Congress tells bank not to pay dealer. Congress retarded.

Historically both parties have cast votes to signal their disapproval of majority spending, and historically each time any one of them did they were rather retarded. It has been raised countless times in it's history usually as a matter of course and actually automatically for much of that time (just as it is in basically every advanced country)...b/c ya know "the validity of the US debt shall not be questioned" is in that document they're all pledged to uphold. So tell me again, why were did the Repubs one up even previous idiocy and play games with it when it actually could be stopped by them?

Can anyone explain to me why the debt ceiling is appropriate to debate in the first place. Not trying to be snarky but let's get down the crux of it here. To sit here and put this on Obama we should first address what "it" is...and "it" is insane.

Oh, Tom (non Obama supporter acknowledging) that it can't be magically fixed? Wow. Hehe. In any event as I've said over and over until we write down some mortgage debt it's not coming back plain and simple.

I don't know that. He gave a strong speech, reminded the people who he is, encouraged them to take ownership of the movement etc....they necessarily have to walk a fine line b/c as we all know you can't just rail on positive-overkill when we are still working to get back to where we feel good. He has to give a more "mature" vibe and he did that well. It was a strong speech by any standard...and a good one for a Obama (although he's given some great ones so not a great one for him)...it certainly will look good if a hypothetical non-political undecided compares it side by side to Romney.

Clinton and Obama split the division of labor well so Obama could give the message of this campaign and Clinton could defend the record. Only Clinton can make a policy oriented defense/compare and contrast speech rival and surpass and Obama barn burner hehe. Obama gave a great Obama speech though....but we've heard Obama quite a bit. All in all very strong convention. Very well done

For people who hate Obama it was an Obama speech. To people who like Obama it was a great speech. To undecideds ... it didn't hurt

Solid enough by Biden's own standards I suppose hehe

Biden is a black preacher

Joe officially unleashed

That was the Kerry equivalent of opening up a can

lol kerry throwing zingers

Kerry came out w/ his head on fire. Speaking like an angry man...

hehe...have the chuckle about seeing Rob rail against PBS throughout all the conventions ... just about the only one in America watching PBS for convention coverage Montana Gov is a hilarious guy Charlie giving the finger to the GOP hehe...each party loves their traitors

Clinton actually swore Obama in on that stage after his speech, Fox cut away but us CNNers saw it. Just an fyi

I woke up w/ a stain on my dress and an impulse to start and handbag company unleash that man

BTW if my favorite line: "the old economy isn't coming back" There are philosophical differences between the leadership in both parties but both need to understand this point. To compete in the 21st century you need a plan for the 21st century and awareness of the rapidly rising state global competitiveness, the role public leadership plays in some of our key competitor nations, and how we need to position ourselves and what role our government (yes "government") has in this whole thing. To me, I see no evidence the anti-government policies of the GOP will lead us where we need to go. If you have a different view acknowledging all these things, that is well thought out...that's why I like coming here. If you are hate Obama and the Dems b/c of propaganda and mistruths about the recovery act, and the ACA (which admittedly I support much less that the recovery act), and the Dem platform...then you are in the words of our great scholar DC Tom...and idiot.

My opinion of Obama is very different than yours. That said...Clinton (as opposed to Obama) energizes me in similar proportions to HW v. Reagan for the right. It's not the same for the other portions of the party which is at this point a coalition much more so than the Repubs have built. And IMO, despite the fact that I would vote Bill over Obama...I'm not touching what is going on w/ Romney/Ryan and neither are any other Bill fans. In any event I'm not here to comment as I would in the "who will win the election thread" merely to say it was a great night for us "Libs" and I'm enjoying it. Loved the speech. In the words of another president "there you go again" .... hehe

In that emboldened portion I mean to merely refer to coming out of convention. It will be stupid ads that lie and debates where nobody answers the question and there aren't follow-ups. And all that will be for about 5% swing in about 5 states...and then we'll have a president.

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew RT @sarahkliff: Bill Clinton's prepared remarks: 3,136 words. BillClinton's remarks as delivered: 5,895 words (counting audience cheers). lol

Of course Obama doesn't deserve to be in the same league as Clinton. And Romeny has no business in the game at all. And don't talk to me about what the current Dem president did to "my product" lol...worry about your last president and your current House has done to your product and re-branding that in modern times. It'll be a close election and as much as I loved that speech and will love Obama's (b/c Obama is a fantastic speaker himself even if you can't get past your hate for him) these things will mean nothing. There will be some stupid debates where nobody answers questions and more money that we've ever seen and ultimately it'll be a roll of the dice b/c that's where we're at. I'll say this though...Dems will be more excited than Repubs IMO...Repubs had some people but they didn't play those cards they're hoping the dealer busts. We'll see

Obama cannot top that. Do not kid yourself. Obama will be good in his own way though and lets be honest his method of public speaking appeals to the masses well. Maybe twitter will think it can touch that...but it won't.