dayman

Nobody who doesn't support Obama will agree...but Obama did very well tonight. Much better than Romney.

"There's some jobs that just aren't going to come back" It's about time a politician said that

Candy had the transcript and corrected Romney! Literally calling a mistruth a mistruth period

Debates are insanely entertaining

Romney....certain parts of Obamacare extend medicare viability

I feel bad for Bush after this

Of course they ad up? Well by all means put it out on the internet and win the election today

Obama is night and day from the first debate

They were about to pull out lightsabers only Crowley's presence as the dark sith prevented it

This is the most aggressive town hall in history already lol

This plant kills...lol Oh ****...it's on

yes I got the goof and was regoofing...if you will

ah, makes sense

what the hell is MSM... I've seen this on this board a few times a google shows wikipedia saying it's a abbreviation for "men who have sex w/ men"

talking heads unanimously assume Americans do not care about foreign policy...idk if they're right or wrong you be the judge

Honestly Jill Stein must have designed that program b/c I don't think there has been a more powerful tool for her in her "campaign" process.

Didn't see the story. Did he take her on as a wife?

I really don't think you can win a town hall, you can only lose it. So draw with both sides claiming victory is the likely outcome barring Obama or Romney mooning the audience.

Hmmm so they negotiated between 62 and 64 degrees in the room eh? They sue...the committee they both fund if it isn't?

What time does this start?

lol just flipped on TV first thing said on CNN was that Mitt Romney practiced a lot on how to sit on a bar stool, b/c he's Morman and doesn't sit on a lot of bar stools. I hate being forced to rely primarily on CNN as a result of not paying for cable...just terrible (except for my boy Zakaria)

Just took it again and now I side w/ Mao Zedong. Damn

Prediction: Debate ends prematurely with Obama and Romney together physically beating Candy to death on live television for daring to ask a follow up or for more clarification. Morale of the country takes a turn for the better as a result, as the country feel united following the first truly bipartisan act in recent memory.

It still comes down to you just saying that if part of what you look at is test scores, then you aren't looking at other metrics. This isn't true. Near where I live, where many of my friends live, there were a lot of articles about the Gates foundation who sort of commandeered a district to experiment with. They look at scores. They also have extensive teacher performance evaluations that go well beyond what the district would be able to do w/ out the money they brought with them. Really at it's core they are studying teaching, giving real feedback to each teacher and understanding what it is that makes the best ones good and finding ways to share those skills with others. B/c part of their program looks at test scores and draws what conclusions they think are appropriate from them...that does not mean that their program somehow ignore the best practices they identify regardless of the test scores coming from that group (which seems to be the focus of their approach). Also anyone who says this is a product of "democratic/big government" thinking and not just a product of the plan Florida adopted doesn't understand state politics in Florida. There is only 1 party. It isn't the Dems and nobody would be caught dead doing anything that smells of big gov't in Tally. Trying to put this on a party or make this partisan is ... quite partisan and quite wrong.

I hear ya, and I'm not here to vouch for some Florida education plan that I know nothing about besides the article in the first post. But to say that it is off no use to measure proficiency through a test and have a goal to increase those scores ... hard to buy it. Problems with tests and how they are designed aside, they are necessary and they do teach us something. When you have a number in the 30s ... it has told you that you likely have massive failures. So in setting a goal to get that number up, it's merely saying we want that problem to get better. I don't think that simply having a goal of getting a score up means that somehow the plan to better the quality of education is now problematic. The plan for getting 30is% to 70% in 6 years.....no doubt includes more than just "we'll just try hard and see what the scores are like in 2018." Once again I don't know any more specifics than we all do, those stated in the first link which don't discuss it. But I think to assume that b/c you look at test scores on a standardized test means that you are ignoring measurements in teaching performance is not correct. I would assume that there are a number of things in their "plan" which would include some way of evaluating teachers better, not just to fire bad ones but to figure out what is good about good ones and share it to make others better. Obviously attract better teachers. Certain systematic changes in the hiring structure (for instance that less tenured teachers are fired first when budgets are cut, clearly the worst teachers should be fired first...while teachers in the country do not get in the business for money there should be dollar incentives to increasing their teaching craft which is not measured by test scores alone, etc). It's easy to say that measuring test scores is the wrong thing to measure and assuming you measure only one thing everybody would probably agree this day in age. But there is nothing in that article that suggests this is the plan. And while race isn't the best nor most PC way of looking at the socioeconomic issues that plague our system...we do need to acknowledge that achievement gaps between students of different backgrounds are real...I forget the stat but something around half of the dropouts in this country are from under 15% of the schools and there is some consistent early education issues there that most think lead to this...it's not being black I know this...and I haven't been defending this race classification scheme...but there does need to be some classification. And acknowledging this doesn't mean you ignore those student who are at the top and how to improve things for them either...