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Lets say there is a tipped pass in the endzone. The WR falls to the ground. The DB falls on top of him. He has one foot touching the ground and his other is laying across the ankle of the WR. The ball plops down into the DBs hands, and pulls it into his chest. Two seconds go by. The officials are not going to already blow the whistle and signal INT? Another player comes charging in and blasts the DB off of the WRs body and it lands two yards away OB. They are not going to call that a INT? Of course they would. They would blow it dead with clear possession of the ball with his entire body in the endzone. It may not be the letter of the rule but they would blow it dead if his whole body was in bounds and he caught the ball.
LOL. So a player is going to catch a ball and lay on top of another player, completely supported by that player, for two full seconds with neither person moving? Then someone is going to come in and "blast" the DB, who is still laying flat on top of another human 6 full feet, somehow hitting him from below such to launch him into the air (which you think'd be hard with him being only maybe a foot off the ground while laying on the WR)...
There is a reason why this "hypothetical" has never come up, nor will it ever come up. Because it'll never happen.
But, if it does, they'll replay the call and apply the rules of the game to the situation. So, in this case, if the DB didn't didn't get two feet in bounds, or an elbow or his butt, it'll be an incompletion.
Don't need to over think this.
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Whatever you say, coach. You must be studying game films and know all the schemes, right? I mean why else would you be saying stuff like this? It's not like you are just some dude watching TV like the rest of us.
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I watch the games. How blind must you be to sing the praises of Jairus Byrd and Donte Whitner - possibly the safety tandem that has made the literal least plays in the NFL this season.
Seriously, what are you even talking about? I must be studying game film if I say that Byrd has been completely invisible this year?
I also am pretty sure that no scheme has the opposing receivers running wild for free touchdowns with no safeties to be seen. But hey, maybe that makes me coaching material.
Actually yes you do...if you want to know what you are talking about.
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Okay, which TD was that? I don't have them all memorized. And also are you basing everything on the snapshot of the catch? What about what led to it? Was there a run fake? What formation was the D in?
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Wow, I usually think you are a bit overly filled with home-town bluster for my tastes, but you are really outdoing yourself in this thread. It is starting to get uncomfortable...
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I agree that Fitzpatrick is a mediocre quarterback and think it's pretty evident *shrug*
He played a good game, and I think he did say he was wrong about the prediction.
The important thing, though, is that we don't get blinded and lose our once-a-quarter-century chance at an elite QB.
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Is there anyone here who thinks the Bills would have gotten credit for a fumble recovery and possession of the ball if Poz stripped it from Todd Heap in OT on that exact same play?
No way in hell.
That alone is why it was a bad call.
I'm pretty sure the whole world isn't out to get you, sir.
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Listen, I will try to make this real simple like for ya.
If a player can be fully in the end zone, yet still be called out of bounds, then the rule needs to be amended. Period. End of story. My "unrealistic" scenario was merely a creative way to demonstrate that point. Which was apparently lost on you.
Um, you are being ridiculous here. There is nothing out there quite as awkward and uncomfortable to read as someone on the wrong side of the dummy line telling someone else they are being dumb.
Your "unrealistic" scenario illustrates no point. Because a herd of vicious yaks could overrun the field, and a player could climb onto said yak and rumble for a touchdown, you don't need to change the rules.
The end zone can not be littered with bodies such that you can dance over top of the corpses straight out of bounds. A group of defenders can not pick up a player and carry them out of bounds.
The rules are simple - you are not fully in the end zone if you are flying through the air, or riding on a yak, or if you jump in the air and land on another player and roll out of bounds before you touch with the proper part(s) of your body. Sorry.
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Thanks for the list. A lot of work went into it and I appreciate you making an honest effort here. I thought you would keep it to the 'contending' teams but that's OK as I get your point about giving rookies opportunities.
All of the teams listed are in contention to win their division and make the playoffs. That's what I assumed "contenders" meant.
Because they don't. You are assuming they are. It's rare that a rookie even sees the field much less starts day one. Remember Marv Levy? Bills rookies rarely saw play in year one.
Except for like, all of those rookies that I listed off. It isn't rare, pretty much every single team has at least one rookie in their starting offense or defense.
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Jeez, you guys are being pretty hypocritical here. All of the name calling and telling this guy to leave and critiquing the size of his genitals isn't what I'd call mature and reasonable discourse.
Frankly, he made the same prediction that pretty much everyone else in the NFL made - it certainly wasn't irrational to expect that Fitzpatrick would struggle against the Ravens' defense.
I also think that their defense DID take the Bills lightly, and did not perform up to their typical standards of execution. I say this because I both watched the game, and listened to their coaches and players say the same thing.
Bad teams being overlooked by good teams happens all of the time - it isn't disrespecting the Bills or Ryan Fitzpatrick or whatever to say it - it just plain happens.
Good teams get up to play other good teams. Good teams sometimes lay an egg against bad teams. The Bills are a bad team, and the Ravens overlooked them. Fitzpatrick still played very well, save a couple critical mistakes that ultimately helped cost them the game.
Most would be happy to have Ryan Fitzpatrick man the fort until our new franchise quarterback is ready to play. He's even welcome to be the #2 once that happens.
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As most thinking Bills fans would have and did expect, Jairus Byrd came way back down to earth in year two. He was fortunate to get a lot of lucky breaks last year, and it looks like his luck ran out. I hoped it wasn't a fluke, but sadly it appears to have been.
He is completely invisible, and the only sniff of making a play that he has had all year was meekly waiting behind Todd Heap in the end zone thinking he'd have one come right to him, before Heap leaped in front of him and made the play.
At least Donte gets in the picture and is around the ball as he is getting smoked.
So you are suggesting a "good" safety can play up and still cover long?
I think people are suggesting that a "good" safety can either cover or tackle, some can even do both. Ours don't appear to be able to do either.
You can't have it both ways - if you think Byrd is being forced to play deep and that is why he doesn't make any tackles, you have to wonder why, even playing deep, he gets burned deep regularly and is rarely near the ball.
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This is all obvious, but a good breakdown.
Bad teams find ways to lose, which we thankfully did.
Was fun to watch though - I hope we lose them all this same way!
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Yes...anyone who thinks they can evaluate a player watching him on TV for 6 games is a tool.
Also anyone who thinks every great player hits the ground as a pro-bowler and doesn't have to grow into the role should stick to playing Madden because it's obvious that's where they get all their football smarts from.
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Why does just about every other NFL team get significant contributions from their rookies? Why is it that only Buffalo is subjected to waiting for years for their draft choices to develop into superstar players (which they don't, as evidenced by the fact that we haven't seen a superstar in a decade).
Why must we wait when every other team has a guy come in every year and thrive?
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I'd be interested in knowing which rookies are making these huge impacts on which contending teams.
AFC East:
New York Jets - Kyle Wilson (1st Round) - #3 corner (who has seen playing time at #2 corner) on one of the best defenses in the NFL. John Conner (5th Round) - Making impact at FB. Quickly nicknamed "The Terminator" for his punishing blocking style.
New England Patriots - Devin McCourty (1st Round) - #2 corner starts at RCB. Averaging 5 tackles per game and had a monster pick to clinch the game against San Diego. Rob Gronkowski (2nd Round) - #1/#2 tight end, already has 3 touchdowns. Brandon Spikes (3rd Round) - Starting ILB. Aaron Hernandez (4th Round) - #1/#2 tight end, obviously making a huge impact with 355 yards (13.1 avg). Zoltan Mesko (5th Round) - 3rd in the NFL in net punting. Dominates our own Brian Moorman in every statistical category.
AFC Central:
Pittsburgh Steelers - Maurkice Pouncey (1st Round) - Starting center for perhaps the best team in the NFL, and anchors a dominant rushing attack.
Tennessee Titans - Derrick Morgan (1st Round) - Was averaging a sack per game before falling to injury. Alterraun Verner (4th Round) - Huge impact as their starting RCB, averaging 5+ tackles per game with 2 picks.
AFC West:
Kansas City Chiefs - Eric Berry (1st Round) - Making a huge impact on the KC defense - 2 takeaways, plenty of tackles. Dexter McCluster (2nd Round) - Dynamic rushing/receiving/returning threat has produced similarly to C.J. Spiller and gets comparable touches. 2 touchdowns. Tony Moeaki (4th Round) - Huge impact TE with multiple touchdowns and an 11.2 yard average per catch.
NFC East:
Washington Redskins - Trent Williams (1st Round) - Obvious. Franchise LT. Had essentially no draft picks, but still nailed it.
Philadelphia Eagles - Brandon Graham (1st Round) - One of the million pass rushers better than Aaron Maybin straight out of college. Sacks, forced a fumble. Solid player, and not even a starter.
NFC North:
Chicago Bears - J'Marcus Webb (7th Round) - Now their starting RT. Hit a homerun on the son of Richmond Webb.
Green Bay Packers - Bryan Bulaga (1st Round) - Now their starting RT. Been playing very well as of late. Certainly making an impact.
NFC South:
Atlanta Falcons - Sean Weatherspoon (1st Round) - Starting OLB. Averaging more than 10 tackles per game, with a sack.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Gerald McCoy (1st Round) - Obvious. Mike Williams (4th Round) - 28 for 365 and 3 touchdowns with a mediocre quarterback. Huge impact, literally winning games for them (see last week).
New Orleans Saints - Patrick Robinson (1st Round) - Starting CB/Nickel-back.
NFC West:
Seattle Seahawks - Russell Okung (1st Round) - Franchise LT. Earl Thomas (1st Round) - Huge impact SS has already made game-changing plays. 30 tackles and 4 picks. Wow.
St. Louis Rams - Only 1 win back, wow. Sam Bradford (1st Round) - Franchise QB. Superstar in the making. Rodger Saffold (2nd Round) - Franchise left tackle. Enough said.
Obviously this was a pointless excercise and required a lot of work and will be summarily disregarded by those that think the Bills need to give time to all of their bust draft choices. These teams all have legitimate starters playing for them, players that see the field every down and make huge contributions. On good teams. We have none.
This leaves out all of the excellent rookies that are seeing huge playing time and are making big impacts for bad teams. Ryan Mathews, Jahvid Best, Dez Bryant, Rolando McClain, Ndamukong Suh, Joe Haden, the list goes on and on.
TLDR; summary: The Bills give no rookie meaningful playing time, despite having the least talented roster in the NFL. Nearly every other team has rookies making significant contributions, including some of the best teams in the NFL.
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Your opinion carries extra weight since your Ravens prediction.
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Care to address his assertion that running back is the easiest position on the field for a rookie to make immediate impact? It is indefensible, so I'm going to just guess no.
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I'm not saying that C.J. Spiller is no good. I'm saying that we made a blunder of epic proportions in drafting him.
He gets no touches, makes zero impact. Rookies are making huge impact on good, contending teams. Our rookies make zero impact on a terrible team.
He also just simply isn't as electric a player as Chris Johnson, who took over a role on that team by making huge plays when he touched the ball. We are both not using Spiller at all, and on the rare occasions that we do, he isn't making any impact.
That is bad.
We draft players and spend the next 3 years spouting off how we just need to give them time. Meanwhile, other NFL teams draft rookies who start and make an immediate impact. Why do we have to always wait?
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Chris Johnson rookie season:
16.7 attempts per game
1228 yards
4.9 yards per carry
9 touchdowns
43 receptions
260 receiving yards
1 receiving touchdown
C.J. Spiller rookie season:
4.3 attempts per game
113 yards
4.3 yards per carry
0 touchdowns
13 receptions
48 receiving yards
1 receiving touchdown
The numbers speak for themselves. Superstar vs. bit player.
Also, Ryan Mathews (despite injury), has more than 2x the attempts and yards.
Jahvid Best has more than 3x attempts and yards, with 5x the touchdowns.
Both play on pretty bad teams (2 wins and 1 win respectively).
The best case you can make for Spiller is that he is terribly misused and was a luxury backup running back pick for a team that almost no NFL-caliber players to begin with.
But, compared to recent rookie running backs taken high (don't get me started on Adrian Peterson), he has made completely zero impact.
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How about letting Spiller adjust to the pro game before writing him off?
How come other teams' high draft selections don't need time to adjust to the pro game? Home come Jahvid Best and Ryan Matthews, both selected after C.J. Spiller, don't need time to adjust to the pro game?
Why do all of our draft selections always need years to mature like a fine wine, while year after year after year after year teams get huge impact from their rookies?
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10-touch per game situational back. Everyone wants to crucify me every time I've said it (and I've been saying it since the draft). Would be a decent pick for a good team. For a bad team in need of a superstar, it just wasn't a sound selection.
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That was an exceptionally key loss for the team. In a season where you have literally zero chance to make the playoffs, each and every win works against the goals of your team.
But, playing good is nice. That game should be a blueprint for what the Bills attempt the rest of the season. Play well, find a way to lose, and clean up the mess.
Also, sour grapes on the whole complaining about the refs thing. Corner didn't make the catch (there is no force out rule any longer - you need two feet in the field of play which he didn't have). Nelson was being lifted forward by his own team, thus maintaining forward movement. Bad on him for not holding on/being strong enough to hold on.
Fitzpatrick played decently, but just not quite good enough for the win with a couple key mistakes. He'll still make an exceptional backup quarterback and mentor for our rookie QB to learn behind.
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Get hurt and get rich
Like Ray Finkel is Einhorn
Easley is Hardy.
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Everyone keeps harping on why we need to wait wait wait for our draft choices to get good, yet nobody has addressed the simple question that the realists are asking:
Why do we have to wait for our draft selections to get better when every other team gets immediate contributions by their rookies?
Why did Ryan Matthews make an immediate impact in San Diego? Why did Jahvid Best make an immediate impact in Detroit?
Why must we wait 3 years before our draft choices can be evaluated? It is terribly frustrating.
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I just wish we were one of those teams that didn't have to wait. Oh well.
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I agree, just being sarcastic
Out of curiosity, how many carries per game did Chris Johnson get his rookie year?
16.7 carries per game. Ouch.
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But don't we have to wait and see? Everyone here thinks we can't evaluate this draft class yet (but everyone makes the exception for Clausen, lol)
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C.J.: 19 carries for 80 yards. 0 rushing touchdowns.
Aaron: 23 carries for 113 yards. 3 rushing touchdowns.
Painful stuff to check and find a literal half dozen quarterbacks who are rushing the ball better than Spiller.
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Sweet. Two 'excellent' running backs. No franchise qb. And one of our excellent backs gets out-rushed (yards and carries) by literally 4 quarterbacks. Hurrah!
Reality check about yesterdays game...
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I'm pretty sure every fan always thinks their team gets the worst of it from the refs. It is surprising to hear that Bills fans actually think that the league colludes against them. Ouch.