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I get this line of thought but just can't agree. I want to avoid the scenario where the QB we draft in the 7th round is our starter even though he sucks because we just don't have anyone else. Anyone my age (54) or older has recollections of QBs far worse than Fitz behind center. Fitz was painful enough to watch. I don't want even greater pain in 2013. I'm okay with cutting Fitz - but only once we find his replacement.

So, Doc, how has the game passed him by? Can you evaluate talent better than Brandt? Show us. Although he doesn't work for the Cowboys anymore, Brandt still scouts college ball every year, using his connections in the NFL and NCAA to give him insights that we readers may lack. I for one appreciate someone who actually knows the game from the inside - unlike many other journalists. His sabre-metrics type approach has some surprises. Some people have suggested we take Glennon with #8 and Brandt's analysis is cautionary.

+1. Chan failed as a Head Coach but I don't know how much the QB is his fault. Of course publicly he supported Fitz. Most coaches will do that to boost the player's confidence. It's simple psychology (Google: "Pygmalion Effect"). We just don't how Chan privately evaluated Fitz nor how much he may have (or may not have) lobbied for someone better like Kaep. Comments to the effect that Gailey was an "offensive moron" are silly. I guess people talk like that because it makes them feel strong or smart. But when you look at Gailey's career, his offenses were often in the top ten. Even his performance with the Bills offense wasn't terrible given that he was working with a subpar QB and receiving corps. If Nix had drafted Kaep and Wanny ran a better defense, Chan might still have a job.

FWIW, in the 2010 book, "Blood, Sweat and Chalk," Chan was quoted thus... "The single wing stuff is going to become the norm in the future. Over the next 10 or 15 years it's going to evolve because the runner-thrower is the kind of quarterback that the college game is producing. You won't find a ton of the six-three, six-four, drop-back passer. They're not in college, so we're not getting them up here... Pretty soon somebody is going to find an athlete who can run and throw and just take the conventional quarterback off the field." The 49ers are not a single wing offense but Kaep is the type of running-throwing QB Chan sees becoming more prevalent in the future.

This isn't my ideal solution but... Bill Walsh created the West Coast offense while the OC at Cinci as a way to compensate for Virgil Carter's weak arm. Could Marrone do something similar with Fitz?

I know I'll get hammered for saying this but: DJ was not a horrible coach. As I recall we led the league in injuries twice when he was here. When you have few good players to begin with, and then your best players are injured, you just aren't going to win many games. The day Mike Mularkey chased Rusty out of Buffalo was one of the worst in post-Kelly Bills history.

Like most here, I don't want to see Fitz suit up as our starting QB ever again. But I don't want to see him cut either - at least not yet. I find the idea of having ZERO QBs on the roster frightening. Any QB we draft may turn out to be worse than Fitz and there aren't any impressive FA QBs available. I mean, this is the friggin' NFL - you can't go into the draft without a single QB under contract. Even if we do draft a good QB, he would benefit from a smart mentor. It seems to me, under the circumstances, restructuring Fitz (if true) would be the best option. Hopefully they restructure would allow us to cut him later without a huge cap hit.

Scary thought.

According to his bio, Russ Lande (the author of the article) used to be scout for the Rams and Browns. Surprisingly, there's not another QB on his list of top prospects until Tyler Wilson at #33.

We all agree that running around the block and playing b-ball are better than doing nothing. But Stevie himself says that if he worked out harder (i.e. followed the instructions in his off-season workout booklet) he could maybe accumulate 200-300 yards more. I'm not arguing the figure he presented is accurate - only that he knows his effort is far from total. So we have a situation where Ralph is paying Stevie 100% of the promised salary. But Stevie is only giving 80% effort in the off-season. Worse, Stevie isn't doing his best to help his teammates win. I never played NFL ball but I did lead soldiers into combat. If I found out one of my men didn't do his best to prepare, I'd be freaking pissed that he didn't love and respect his fellow soldiers enough to do the right thing to help them survive and accomplish the mission. Obviously, the stakes are a little lower here. Football is not a game of life or death. But, still, if you care about your teammates, your going to do your utmost to help them win. Stevie is no Randy Moss on game day but his lack of commitment during the off-season is a disappointment. I liked Stevie before. I like him a little less now.

Count me amongst those disappointed in Stevie. Every player has an obligation to his teammates and coaches (not to mention the fans) to be his best. By his own admission, he didn't do his best. I think he's letting down his teammates. Using his own numbers, he might have gained 200 or 300 more yards if he had worked out in the off-season. How many more TDs would that have been? How many more drive sustaining 1st downs? How many more wins?

I was at that game with my toddler daughter. She's a journalist now and, sadly, a Raider fan. The game wasn't as close as the score.

Good research! But I'll nitpick. The NFL didn't form until 1920. So any football club before that was not an NFL team. If you look at the standings, the Buffalo clubs were good back then. http://www.nfl.com/history/standings/1921 I can't recall what year, but I remember once reading that the Buffalo franchise was cheated out of the NFL Championship because some other club counted non-league games in their record. Back then there were football clubs outside the NFL that weren't that bad. The NFL didn't have a monopoly on the best players or teams. The league champion was the club with the best record - though most believed only league games counted and everything was exhibition. Buffalo had the best record against other NFL teams but the championship was awarded to another club.

Have you guys seen the fan map posted on another thread? http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18d0rfk0hn1lppng/original.png Most clubs have large regional fan bases. Buffalo's, fan base on the other hand, is geographically one of the smallest - including only Buffalo and outlying areas. And the Buffalo itself isn't very populous. We really need Southern Ontario.

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Neither was very good actually. The D was good back then.

This is why Russ Brandon's regionalization efforts are so important. Buffalo does not have a large population and our fan base doesn't extend far beyond Buffalo. We need to get South Ontario to back the Bills if we want to cement the Bills long term future in WNY.

This is a good thought. The Bills have signed a stadium lease and now a contract with Toronto. Both these inked agreements make it more difficult for a new owner to relocate the franchise. I'm hoping we have a 10 year deal with St. John Fisher with a $10 million opt out clause. The more signed deals tying us to the region, the better.

First of all, $20 mil is the asking price, not the negotiated price. But it's not a crazy starting point. Flacco is a guy who will complete about 60% of his passes, throw 20 TDs against 10 picks, and average 220 yards or so per game. This is about what he's been doing the last four years. Oh, and he'll win some playoff games. Maybe that's not "elite" but it's pretty damn solid. We haven't had a guy who could produce like that year after year since Kelly. So I'd pay Flacco $20 million a year to be a Bill if that was an option.

Buffalo is, as I recall, the 3rd smallest market in the NFL. Green Bay is smaller, but Green Bay represent the whole state of Wisconsin and is owned by their fans. The Packers aren't moving. I think Jacksonville is also smaller and Jax fans also worry about losing their team. There are bigger cities out there, LA prominently among them, that don't have NFL franchises. Worse, the Buffalo market is stagnant while other cities enjoys healthy growth and prosperity. 100 years ago, Buffalo was perhaps the 10th biggest city in the US. Now the Buffalo metro area is about 40th, and it's only going to drop further down that list. Let's not forget that ticket prices in Buffalo are among the lowest in the league - if not the absolute lowest. While this is good for fans, it sucks for the Bills as a business. The smallish Buffalo economy just doesn't support a higher price point for tickets. Why would a billionaire owner want to keep a billion dollar franchise in a non-growth market when there are - financially speaking - much better options out there? Russ is doing everything he can to answer that question. If he succeeds in creating an active fan base in Toronto and Rochester, we may actually have some hope of keeping the Bills in Buffalo long term. If he fails, I seriously worry about the consequences. I'm not signing the petition.

I keep hearing Glennon throws a good deep ball, but not much else. Who was it that said that one of the best indicators of future NFL success is accuracy? You can't teach it, so they need to bring it with them. From what I hear, Glennon just isn't particularly accurate. Then again, all these QBs have some flaw or another.

This is how Lance Armstrong rationalized his actions and got himself into trouble: "Everyone else cheats so I will too." I prefer the Marv Levy approach (i.e. Levy the Coach, not Levy the GM): win with character and class.

+1 We're comparing a QB we ultimately didn't want to another QB we ultimately didn't want. What's the point? In both cases, we needed better. Let's hope this time we actually find better.

"It was a terrible mistake. And we knew it was wrong while we were doing it." This is a quote from Greggo. An honest, contrite confession? Or the appearance of one in a quid pro quo with Goddell?

Auburn BB, thanks for the post. Interesting insights from Polian. I'm not a draft geek so let me ask... How many drafts don't include, in retrospect, at least one NFL caliber QB? My hunch is that it's not many but I could be wrong.