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You might be right but... (1) All teams lose games due to injuries. (2) There's no telling what would have happened if both teams were fully healthy that game. There's no alternate universe where that played out. Every game is a mystery until it happens.

When I was maybe 9 years old, growing up in the suburbs of Buffalo, I turned on the TV looking for cartoons when I came across a Bowns-Cowboys game. It was the first football game I ever watched and since the Browns were losing by double-digits, I rooted for them. Little kids always root for the underdogs. Sure enough, the Browns staged a comeback and I became a devoted Browns fan even before I was a Bills fan. For years, I was a dual Browns-Bills fan until Modell betrayed Cleveland and moved the team away. From that point on, I've been a monogamous, loyal Bills fan. But I gotta say, I'm beginning to love the Browns again after they gave us Coop and beat the Ravens and Steelers. And I'll be cheering them as enthusiastically as if I was a lifetime member of the Dawg Pound when they play Mahomes!

I have to disagree. I was at Arrowhead with my family in our Bills gear a couple years ago when we trounced the Chief 38-20. The Chief fans I interacted with were universally classy and often complimentary of Josh Allen and the Bills team in general - despite whatever sour feelings they were experiencing because of the blowout. Like very fan base, there's a bell curve of KC fans with some bottom feeders that may be "insufferable." But at the stadium that day, I witnessed only good sportsmanship.

Holy crap, I hadn't seen this angle/replay and hadn't realized the Chiefs rushed 7. Thanks for posting. Yeah, Davis does a fine job but Torrence is a beast. I also watched Baldinger's video on how Torrence, working solo, manhandled Chris Jones.

This is impressive work, @JGMcD2! Because it's based on PFR's "Approximate Value," the scoring can only be deemed approximate. PFR admits that it's methodology is imperfect. One thing I don't like is that a player's approximate value is partially determined by the team's offensive or defensive performance. If McD is a good coach who gets his team to perform well, then his players scores go up. So it becomes hard to disentangle how much Beane's score represents his good work and how much it's determined by the good work of the coaching staff. But's that the case in 'real life' (as opposed to world of analytics) as well. Despite the shortcomings, this is a better system of evaluating drafts than I've seen elsewhere. For those interested, PFR explains their methodology behind Approximate Value here: www.pro-football-reference.com/about/approximate_value.htm

When I watched that game, I thought I was witnessing the premature end of Peterman's career. He was so awful, I couldn't imagine another team wanting him, even as a PS player. Yet, 7 years later, he's still hanging around.

Interesting breakdown from some KC guys...

I remember thinking during the 13-second game that it was the greatest game I ever watched. In retrospect, I don't evaluate it quite the same way anymore. I hope you find what you're looking for but - personally - I never want to see that game again.

With all our OCs, I've had these kinds of thoughts... "What the heck is the game plan here? What weakness in the opponent are they trying to exploit? What strength of ours are they trying to leverage? There doesn't seem to be a plan at all - just random plays." After the Ravens debacle, I had lost hope in Brady. But he's been steadily winning me over since then. Hopefully, the best is yet to come. The things I liked about Dorsey were the continuity and his comfort level with Josh. But that was about it - I was never a fan of his or Dennison's. Daboll had his shortcomings but he took this raw kid from a college backwater and - eventually - crafted a potent passing attack. I'm grateful for what Daboll accomplished but wouldn't want him back.

I like Rex. I think he's interesting to listen to. And with a 61-66 record lifetime record, he would make the Jets mediocre again which would be fine for us.

I like the senior list more than the modern-era list.

Part of me feels like it's Allen's turn. I know that's not how it's supposed to work. It's supposed to go to this year's MVP and he's certainly in the conversation just based on his play this season. But Lamar's already won it twice and when you look at all that Allen's done for this franchise, it's inconceivable to me that he hasn't won it already.

I'm personally not offended. It's just Kermit in a Mahomes jersey. That's not the same as hanging Mahomes in effigy which would be offensive in my mind. On the other hand, some people are offended and that's a problem. Not to be pessimistic, but it seems to me that life sh*ts on all of us enough (illness, old age, letters from the IRS, etc.) that we shouldn't sh*t on each other. Edit: I just read through the entire thread, looked at the image again, and reconsidered my position. Forget any earlier ambivalence... It's offensive.

Agree with much of this. Daboll was the best because he developed Allen from a raw farmboy into a force of nature. Dennison is #4 on the offensive side. He wasn't good. Brady both puzzles & frustrates me. Sometimes his O doesn't look very dynamic and his playcalling is predictable. Josh's YPG is down under Brady and his completion pct. is 5% below his best year. And yet we're the 3rd highest scoring team in the league despite the issues we've had at wideout. I might have to - eventually - rate Brady #1.

Sometimes when the replay is shown on TV, they don't give the appropriate context. * Regardless of what the scoreboard or box score says, the Chiefs were playing good defense to that point. * It's 4th down and if we don't make the 1st down, the Chiefs win. They'd only need a FG, and they'd be playing with 4 downs. They'd only need to average 2.5 yards/play to sustain a game winning drive. * Casual fans might not know it was not in any way a designed run. Brady expected Spags to be in man coverage and called a man-beater. Spags dialed up a zone instead and Josh was surprised to find no one to throw to. Worse, because the D was in zone, all the defenders were looking at Josh. That run shouldn't have happened. It shouldn't have been possible.

It's a weird run. Josh doesn't look nearly as elusive as OJ or as powerful as Cookie. In fact, it doesn't really look like a difficult run at all. He breaks a couple of weak tackle attempts before crashing into a defender at the goal line. But few other QBs could have made that gallop. Those "weak" attempts at tackling Josh would have brought many other signal callers down. And the reason the attempts look weak in the first place is because Josh has good vision and chose the right winding path through the defense. And the defenders underestimated his speed. The attempted tackle at the goal line is interesting. Instead of doing the wimpy QB thing and avoiding the hit, Josh squares up and sort of explodes into the would-be tackler, knocking him on his butt. When you rewind the video and see Josh at the 37 yard line with receivers covered and imagine another QB there in that position, you don't forsee a TD run coming up. MVP.

Back then, I watched all the early season games, sometimes driving long distances to sports bars. But by the end of the season, I was skipping games. Now? I haven't missed a game since McD took over.

Oh gosh, this is funny. This is why I rarely post opinions about draft picks. To paraphrase Socrates, "I know that I know nothing." @Logic good for you redacting the names. Classy.

Oops. Missed this.

You're right - but I disagree those who say McD has a "full cupboard of talent." Beane has been good at getting solid, process guys but not as adept at finding playmakers. And then you have to factor in injuries. We probably don't have more injuries than other teams but it sure seems we have more injuries to key players - particularly on defense. I think players in our D may be overrated because McD is good at coaching them to execute and play together as a unit. Our D - and the players that compose it - wouldn't look so fine coached by a lesser HC/DC. On offense, well, McD does have the advantage of having Josh and that's undeniable. I'm sure other coaches like Daboll, for example, fantasize about how many games they'd win if they had a unicorn for a QB.

31 million people tuned in to watch the Bills hand KC their first loss. This may help Josh's MVP chances. "According to Sports Business Journal's Austin Karp, an average of 31.2 million viewers tuned in to see Buffalo's home win which snapped Kansas City's unbeaten record and improved the Bills to 9-2 for the first time since 1992. Not only is Bills-Chiefs the most-watched game of the 2024 NFL season so far, it is also the most-watched regular season NFL game, excluding Thanksgiving & Christmas, since the Patriots-Colts game Week 9 in 2007 (33.8 million)... Additionally, Bills-Chiefs is 4th most-watched National window on record (dating back to 1988) and ranks among the 10 most-watched NFL games on record in any window, excluding Thanksgiving." www.buffalobills.com/news/buffalo-bills-draw-record-breaking-tv-ratings-in-dramatic-week-11-win-kansas-city-chiefs-josh-allen-patrick-mahomes

Some tv pundit (Simms?) said that when figuring out Buffalo's place in the NFL, you still have to consider the Ravens loss. A bunch of analytic sites and power rankings now have the Lions as #1. If we beat the Lions, the Ravens debacle would be forgiven & forgotten and the Bills would become the consensus #1. But ultimately all any of us wants is a Lombardi - beating the Lions in the regular season pales in comparison.

This might make some wonder what websites you puruse when you're not on TBD. But I would never suggest such a thing.

I don't know if he deserves to win, but he should be in the conversation. He transformed a perennial loser into a team that has, if I recall correctly, won the 2nd most games in the NFL since 2020. And yet has never been COY. It seems to be an oversight. And this year, pundits were saying the Bills would finish 2nd, or even 3rd, in the AFCE because it was a rebuilding year for us with many of our previous stars (Diggs, Hyde, Poyer, White, et al) all gone and $68 million in dead cap. And yet the squad keeps soldiering on, knocking down opponents with high levels of confidence, discipline, teamwork, and morale.

If you look how they do the tiers, the Bills are 2nd because of their combo of offensive and defensive EPA. We're also second to the Lions according to ELO... www.nfeloapp.com/nfl-power-ratings/