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  1. It really depends on who's there at draft time.

     

    When you don't have a QB, why is it the right answer to not draft a QB?

    Because this team isn't a QB away from being a playoff threat on an annual basis. Put Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers on this team, does that make us a perennial threat to go deep in the playoffs? No. We need more. We need 6 top 50 prospects, then 3 or 4 more the following year. With the right team, we already have our QB. Guys like Joe Flacco win championships because they have the right team.

  2. The only way anyone can support the Watkins/Darby trades is by assuming the plan is to go after a 2018 QB prospect.

     

    False. I support the trades and think going after a QB in 2018 would be the worst decision we could make. We're set up for draft day success. Let's not ruin that by trading a boatload of top picks for a QB prospect. Let's stockpile talent with this picks in the top 50.

  3. I am going to defend the organization. The team as was construction was not going anywhere this year or in the immediate future. So they are trading some parts for lesser talents and picks. The picks are the real currency in these transactions. Instead of taking the futile Whaley patchwork approach the organization is going into a major rebuild mode. As the season approaches and advances there will be more deals with added picks. That is the right approach to take.

     

    The Bills have been a middling team for more than a generation. What's the point of continuing on and doing the same things that have kept this franchise stuck in the muck of mediocrity. The reality is even with these deals the product wouldn't be much different than without making the deals. It's better to have a plan in place and follow it rather than forever muddling along.

    This...SO much. Baseball teams do it all the time. NFL teams rarely admit to a rebuild because it is such a "win now" business. What these trades do is give us a much better chance of being better in the future. Although, that said, I do not think this year's results will be dramatically different than they would have been with Sammy and Darby. I saw 8 to 11 wins before, and I still see 8 to 11 wins.

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    And again I ask: how so?

    A stronger top 3 at CB - yes I'm viewing Gaines as an upgrade over Darby, who was consistently a liability

    A WR who will consistently be on the field and will likely give us stats similar to what Sammy gave us in 2014 (This is pretty much a guarantee as opposed to the IF Sammy stays healthy he's gonna go for 1700 yards and 12 TDs)

    Most importantly, we now have the picks needed to start legitimately building through the draft. This is how all good teams do it in this league, and 2018 will be the start of that for us.

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    No, not at all.

     

    What I've done is compare the entirety of the 2015 season for every receiver; you need to actually read the stuff.

     

    And the reason I focus on the 9-game stretch often is because (as you'd know if you took a second to read) it's the only stretch of his career during which he received anywhere close to the same number of targets as those guys.

     

    It's an issue of opportunity when on the field; not an issue of performance.

     

    Wrong time to trot out this argument considering that they also traded a corner for a WR

    Yea, I read and completely understand it, and it appears we just have different perceptions on this and his value.

     

    I was originally upset with this trade and have been a huge Sammy fan, but after considering all of the factors of what he actually brings to this team, what we got in return, and the real possibility he would not have be signed again anyway after this year, I see this trade as a huge positive for a franchise that has consistently struggled. Again, considering all factors with both trades, we are better off now than we were before the trades.

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    Once again, you are incorrect here.

     

    Read this:

     

    https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/194793-sammy-to-be-100-ready-to-go-for-training-camp/page-3?do=findComment&comment=4438607

     

    He actually made more of his opportunities than the others on this list.

    You're still picking a specific 9 game sample size that supports your opinion and ignoring the rest of his career statistics. The problem is you reached your conclusion and now you're trying to find information to support it.

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    That you're confused is a result of lack of consideration of context. He can't produce if they don't throw the ball to him.

     

    As I said, and maintain: If you want to say that he wasn't a fit here because they don't throw the ball enough, fine, I can at least accept that line of logic as being somewhat salient. To say that he hasn't produced when given his opportunities is patently false.

    Did he make the most of his opportunities? Elite receivers in the NFL have catch rates in the mid to high 70% range while good receivers, like the ones you would pick for your fantasy team most likely, are well into the 60% range. Sammy barely snuck into the 60s in 2015, he barely broke into the 50% range his other two years.

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    That's easy: I was really happy when they actually targeted him in the passing game (i.e. the final 9 games of 2015) and he was the most productive WR in the NFL during that time.

     

    If you want to say that he wasn't a fit here because they don't throw the ball enough, fine, I can at least accept that line of logic as being somewhat salient. To say that he hasn't produced when given his opportunities is patently false.

    9 games? So the other 39 games of his tenure when he wasn't on the field at all, or wasn't producing at all, were the fault of someone else or the play calling I bet? I ask you for a season you were happy with him and you pick out half a season. Mike Williams also had a ton of potential. Do you wish the Bills were still paying him and waiting for him to get it together? Trent Edwards had a few good games, should he be given a shot to be our QB?

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    Nope.

     

    The folks that are upset realize that it's a terrible decision to trade away one of your two best offensive players when that player also happens to be under 25 years old.

    And tell me, when is the last time you were actually happy with a season's worth of on-field production from this "one of two best offensive players"? Go ahead, I'll wait. With Sammy, it has always been about the prospect and potential of what he can do, and aside from a good/great game here and there, it has never been about what he has actually done or contributed to this team.

  10. I am shocked people are upset about this!

     

    The Bills were not going anywhere this year. The Watkins risk/reward is a tough chance to take when you have so many needs already, especially at QB. He's an injury risk and nearing the end of his contract, even if we franchise him next year. So getting a second and a player for him makes a ton of sense.

     

    Darby was gross last year and Matthews is a solid WR who's been excellent early in his career. And getting a third also is incredible.

     

    Vision, planning, decisiveness. I really like it.

    At least a few people get it.

  11. The people who are upset likely own a Sammy jersey or just loved watching him play because of how exciting he can be. Fortunately Beane appears to not care what we think as fans. Guess what. He was hired to run this business and make it successful, and he is running that business the way he sees fit and the way that will get it to be a consistent success. Thankfully he is not trying to appease the fans and make them feel good about their emotional connection to players.

  12. If I wasn't such a fan, I would be shutting WGR off right now. Murphy and Chris Brown are seriously pissing me off right now trying to spin this.....

     

    Call it what it is.... a huge step backward this season.

     

    To me, the only things that will make these trades worth it is if they finish the job..... Trade Shady, trade Tyrod if possible, etc....

     

    If you're going to take the top players off this team, don't stop here. Go all the way with is and do everything you can to lose the entire season. I hate saying this, but if you're going to tank.....then REALLY TANK.

    It may look bad now, but these moves make us a better franchise. We finally have a GM and coach who can see the big picture.

  13. Don't mind the Darby trade, not even initially. Hated the Sammy trade at first, mostly because he is so fun and entertaining to watch when he is on the field, and when he is healthy and gets the ball thrown his direction, he can change the game.

     

    But...

     

    This was Sammy's last year with us anyway. No way we were paying him. Might as well get something in return while we can.

     

    Darby was Darby. Great at times and awful at times. White, Seymour and Gaines actually give us a solid top 3 at CB. I'm not worried about that position now.

     

    We have two picks in each of the first three rounds

     

    Mostly I like it because these are not moves our previous leadership would have made. They're not trying to win 9 or 10 games and sneak into the wildcard (though I believe that is exactly what will happen this year). They are trying to build a foundation and make this team competitive for years to come. That means you have moves like this that sting, but I'll take that if we can be consistently good. Good teams build through the draft and now we can do that.

  14. Sunday, Sept 10 - Bills vs. Jets - Win

    Sunday, Sept 17 - Bills @ Panthers - Win

    Sunday, Sept. 24 - Bills vs. Broncos - Win

    Sunday, Oct 1 - Bills @ Falcons - Lose

    Sunday, Oct 8 - Bills @ Bengals - Win

    Sunday, Oct 22 - Bills vs. Buccaneers - Win

    Sunday, Oct 29 - Bills vs. Raiders - Win

    Thursday, Nov 2 - Bills @ Jets - Win

    Sunday, Nov 12 - Bills vs. Saints - Win

    Sunday, Nov 19 - Bills @ Chargers - Lose

    Sunday, Nov 26 - Bills @ Chefs - Win

    Sunday, Dec 3 - Bills vs. Patriots* - Win

    Sunday, Dec 10 - Bills vs. Colts - Win

    Sunday, Dec 17 - Bills vs Fish - Win

    Sunday, Dec 24 - Bills @ Patriots* - Win

    Sunday, Dec 31 - Bills @ Fish - Win

  15. I know they are billionaires but since 2015 when they hired or extended their now fired coaches and GMs they gave away about $35 Million that they still owe these four. This is based off of Rex's 17.5 million he is still owed, Bylsma 9 million, And since Whaley and Murray recently signed extensions I'm going to be conservative and figure they are still owes about 4 million each. They certainly didn't obtain their wealth by making such bad investments.

     

    Don't get me wrong, I am glad they have made all of these moves, however it is a bit alarming to see. And please don't talk about what ESPN is paying Rex with his fake teeth and once stapled stomach, whatever #s they worked out isn't putting a dent in what the Bills owe him.

     

    This is equivalent to me dropping a $100 bill in the parking lot. It kinda sucks, but not going to change my life.

  16. you're right, you can't pay everyone, but we paid Vlad Ducasse and 2 freaking FULLBACKS. Woods? Fine, let go. Gilmore was a foolish thing to do and they'll do the same thing next year when they let Watkins walk then need to go draft a WR again and we can all be happy about how they addressed their needs.

     

    And, remind me, are you a Watkins fan or are you one who's always complaining about him being hurt and useless? Because, you can't constantly complain about him for four years and then also complain because his 5th year option isn't picked up.

  17. Do people that do nothing but complain on this board and offer their pessimistic and negative outlooks no matter what happens go through the rest of their lives like this too, or is it just a message board persona? Hopefully all you negative Nancy type folks have some joy in your life somewhere. Try to bring a smile to the board once in a while instead of your constant negative nonsense.

  18. because when you do that you can never address other needs. The team had needs LAST year that didn't get addressed because we needed to fill new holes that didnt need to be there. Unless the new CB and WR are upgrades rather than just replacements there was no progress made.

    It's not the MLB, you can't pay everyone, even when the cap isn't mismanaged. Again I'll emphasize that it seemed like 90% of this board would have flipped out had we resigned Gilmore and Woods and now that same 90% is complaining because we didn't.

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