billsfan1959

Why do you and @TwistofFate have to be so emotional, aggressive, and confrontational in your posts? It's a serious question. There always seems to be some level of anger in the tone of your posts. It is as if you have no ability whatsoever to interact with others in a way that most would consider the "social norm." It's unfortunate, because anytime you do have a legitimate point, it gets lost in all of the aggression.

This is what this forum has become. A small percentage of posters hijack every thread they can and post some variation of "Allen sucks" over and over and over and over...ad nauseum.... If you deleted everyone of their posts that (1) was some variation of Allen is an awful QB, or (2) reacting emotionally and being aggressive with anyone who disagrees with them, then they would probably have a grand total of 3 - 4 posts remaining between them.

You really should have parental controls on your computer. Do you actually read anything you respond to, or do you just react emotionally? That was rhetorical by the way. If you want to join the adults and add something substantive to the conversation, we would be happy to listen.

Good post and a completely different discussion than 300 yard games. When you start looking at 4300+ yard passers (which is an average of 268 yards per game), you are talking about only a handful each season (6 per year from 2015-2018) of upper echelon QBs. When you get to the 4800+ - 5000+ yard passers, you are typically talking the few elite (less than 2 per year from 2015-2018). They are usually the same QBs in those groups, with an outlier or two of a QB just having a great year. One could argue that the yardage and winning percentage are the result of the few elite level QBs in the NFL. Everyone may want one on their team; however, the truth is, very few exist. The vast majority of QBs exist under that 4300+ mark (Again, an average of 268 Yards per game) and most of them are under 4000 yards (An average of 250 yards per game). When you drop below 4300 yards, and certainly below 4000 yards a season, the winning percentage drops with it. So, your argument that a higher yardage season equates to more wins is true (more true for those elite QBs); however, under 4500+ yards a season it really becomes less and less about 300 yard games than it does about consistently putting up good numbers with an occasional 300 yard game or two. A solid argument though. This is much different than the 300+ yard argument that has been being pushed in this thread, because 300+ yard games are not confined to the 4300+ yard season passers - they exist at all levels. Therefore, the winning percentage of 300+ yard passing games, and what they actually mean, is a different discussion.

No, I don't think it is too much too ask. I am just not sure when he will (or if can) reach that point. I do believe he can; however, I have been wrong before. I think the first step is to be more consistent over the course of the game. That is what I am looking for at the present time - really nothing more. I think consistency will, by consequence, elevate other areas of his game and production. I do not mind being patient if I see progress. At this point, I have seen a lot of progress over the last year. I would like a considerable step in that progress over the remainder of this year. I think the team will bring in some more quality players on the offensive side of the ball in free agency and the draft. Then, next year is truly the year for me. They have the cap space and draft picks to give him what he needs to get to that next level, and he should have more than enough experience to reach it. If he doesn't, then it will be time to look at other options.

I doubt very much that anybody here worships the game of football, or that it is the center of their faith rather than God, some divine being, or spirituality. I don't think you quite understand the concept of religious delusions. I can recommend some good psychology books that could help you. I rest my case Mr. Emotional. I have asked for them to provide any statistical analyses regarding their assertions. Still waiting...

I didn't twist anything Biscuit. You stated the Bills should join the rest of the NFL in throwing the ball. Their pass to run ratio among winning teams in the top 5. How effective they are at throwing the ball is a different story. In that respect, I agree they are not where I feel they should be if they want to compete at a championship level. However, I am not hung up on the arbitrary 300+ yard game as a barometer of anything. The vast majority of those games are done with a 40+ attempts and the 300+ yard games with less than 40 attempts include at least one or two 50 - 60+ yard completions. Allen's strength this year is not the deep ball. I have no idea what the issue is; however, it just isn't there. Until it is, or until we see receivers turn short /intermediate passes into 60-70 yard gains, we are probably are not going to see that 300 yard game. What Allen has done, is greatly improve his short game and accuracy in the short to intermediate range. So much so, that he is one of the higher rated QBs in passes within 25 yards of the LOS. Rather than a 300 yard game, I would like to see better ball security and more consistency across an entire game. It is also not all on Allen. I would like to see, less mistakes and penalties (especially in critical moments); more separation by receivers and someone other than the top one or two receivers who can actually reliably catch the ball (or at least not drop the critical ones); more play designs in that 15-25 yard range (which I believe is his strength and could lead to those 300+ yard games); and a better run game to support the passing game - all of which is as much on coaching and other players as it is on Allen. I would also like to see a few games of turning Allen loose to the tune of 40-45 pass attempts. He is a long way from where I would like him to be; however, he has shown me the potential and I think he can get there. It is just going to take some time.

I don't have a mancrush on Allen, and I couldn't stand Tyrod. Allen has a lot to prove and I can rationally and objectively go through a list of things he hasn't done well or needs to greatly improve on. He is not anywhere near where he needs to be at this point to be the franchise guy for years to come. However, whether or not he is throwing for 300+ yards is so far down the list of important things that its worth is negligible. I'm sorry you are on the losing end of the debate and can no longer intellectually defend your position - to the point where you have to respond from an emotional perspective in calling people ignorant, suffering from dementia, etc. I can send you a cyber hug if that will make you feel better.

The poster I replied to said the Bills should try to join the rest of the league in throwing the football. You agreed with that poster. I pointed out that among all the winning teams, the Bills are somewhere around 6th in more passes than runs. So, inspite of the fact that everything for you is about 300 yard games, the actual post I was replying to, and that you agreed with, was not. And, of course, let's not ever point to a 5-2 record, as that says far less about this team than the fact they have not produced a 300+ yard passing game. You just aren't very good at this, are you?

The top ten teams in throwing the ball are Atlanta, Cincinnati, Chargers, Miami, Chiefs, Giants, Rams, Bears, Jets, and Arizona. The Bills currently throw the ball 56.1% of the time; which puts them right below teams like NE, New Orleans, and Green Bay, and ahead of teams like the 49ers, Minnesota, Baltimore, Seattle, Dallas, Philadelphia - You know, almost all of the teams with winning records. EDIT: BTW, every one of those teams below the Bills run the ball more than they throw it. Hmmmm....

Perhaps you should look up the term "projection"

I didn't say that at all in my post. You could try re- reading it or, if you would like, I could re-write it using more one syllable words....

And this is why so many posters want to take you to task. You are constantly asserting that because a poster happens to think the "process" is a legitimate thing for almost every team, or believes that this team is still in the process of building to a championship caliber level, or happens to disagree with your perspective on 300 yard games, or just doesn't complain about the team in every post, then that poster must be okay with losing. That wasn't my point. My point was that an arbitrary 300+ yard performance, evaluated in a vacuum, does not necessarily correlate to a win - and this clamoring for A 300 yard game just for the sake of having a 300 yard game is ridiculous. I have said over and over that I would rather have a QB that can push the ball down the field when it is needed. Sometimes that equals a 300+ yard performance and sometimes it doesn't, thank you very much.

My point exactly. You have to go game by game to put any context or meaning to it. Even then, you still have to analyze many variables to tell you whether or not the 300+ yard game was necessary or critical to the actual win. In the end for every 300+ yard game you show me a win, I can show you one in a loss. So, again, show me the actual statistical analyses where 300+ yard games are predictive of wins.

Correct

See below: 51% win correlation is really 75%.... #StatsAreNotHisStrongSuit

I stopped reading at "I'll wave the white flag" Because you should.

Let me ask you and @soflabillsfan1a question: In Tom Brady's first SB win, he had one 300 yard game during the regular season and one during the playoffs. In those two games, he averaged 53 attempts to reach 300 yds, threw for 2 TDs and 1 INT, and averaged 22.5 points per game. In fact, in the playoff game in which he threww for 300 yards, he didn't have a touchdown and the defense bailed him out in a 16-13 win. In the Super Bowl, he threw for 145 yds. Yet, when his team needed him, he pushed the ball downfield and put his team in position to kick the game winning field goal. What was more meaningful? The 300 yard games or the ability to carry his team when he needed to. I suppose we could use your simple analysis above and say if Brady threw for 300 yards in the Super Bowl, he wouldn't have had to come back with a game winning drive in the 4th quarter. My statement you responded to was "having a QB that can push the ball downfield through the air when needed is a completely different discussion. A QB can do just that and still not pass for 300 yards in that game." Allen led his team to wins in a number of games and didn't throw for 300 yards. Did you even read what I wrote before responding? Still haven't answered my question on Allen being a catalyst for the team. You are the cyber equivalent of a 3 year old throwing a tantrum in a store because his mommy didn't buy him the candy bar he wanted...

And I pointed out that citing "27 out of the last 28 SB winning QB's have thrown for over 300 yards that season" without any further analyses or context is meaningless. Period. Also, having a QB that can push the ball downfield through the air when needed is a completely different discussion. A QB can do just that and still not pass for 300 yards in that game.

You didn't break down anything in any meaningful way. Would I love to see our QB throw for 300 yards every week? Sure, if it was in the process of playing a good, winning football. However, 300 yards is simply an arbitrary measurement. There is no statistical analyses that show 300 yard games equal wins. It doesn't exist. Please, if you can find it, present it and I will be more than willing to objectively look at it. Also: you failed to answer my question I posed to to you in a previous post about your wanting to see Allen as a catalyst for the team. So, I will ask you again: When a team needs a score to win and the QB leads that team down the field for a score, that qualifies, Right? So, wouldn't you agree that Allen was the catalyst for the team in his five 4th quarter comebacks or seven game winning drives?

Nope. I rarely have a bad day. I am just pointing out that citing something like almost every QB that has won a SB had at least one 300 yard game that season, with no further analyses or context, has about as much meaning as saying every QB that has won a game played at night, did so after the sun went down.

I didn't think so. At least you recognize how ridiculous it would be to defend something like a QB who won a SB and threw for one 300 yard game during that season as meaning anything at all... You didn't break down anything in any meaningful way at all. Seriously - are you that delusional? Edit: There is actually real statistical breakdowns that show 300 yard games are not correlated to "wins almost always"

It would be nice if you somehow tied those facts to what you would like to say in some meaningful way.

Nobody said that. If you are not making a conclusion, then what is your point?

No. It's not.