billsfan1959

Nobody has ever lost an argument to you. Ever.

They may very well have the most fatalities. That is not the measure of the success in their response - cases per capita and the death rate are. If, at the end of this, the US has one of the lowest death rates of any country, would that be a measure of success to you? You are not very good at this. Why don't you just do what you usually do and spend your time putting frown emojis on every post you don't understand?

Why would I add something completely irrelevant to what I was responding to?

My point exactly. The response was pretty much the same world wide, yet, somehow, Trump, who reacted no differently than any other leaders (and the numbers support it) is the one who failed to respond?

I didn't say anything about Trump. My post was to point out that Pelosi was in Chinatown on February 24th urging people to come out. You probably should have figured that out when I wrote "Her visit was February 24th" and posted a link of her visit.

See above

Her visit was February 24th https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/nancy-pelosi-visits-san-franciscos-chinatown-to-encourage-people-amid-fears-of-coronavirus/

So, your point is that we are doing a better job than Germany who you previously stated was one of the best examples in the world? Then yes, I have come around to your point. You should have just said that in the beginning

Right, you are not an expert. And, somehow, pandemic experts around the globe failed to come up with an answer either. By the way, if Germany has done more testing per capita than we have, and, currently, we are separated by about 1% in the death rate. If we had done the equal amount of testing per capita right now, wouldn't our death rate be even lower? Maybe even lower than Germany's?

Yet, somehow, Trump was supposed to have enough of those tests available, early on, in a nation of 330 million people, to have widespread testing across the nation....

So, just how do you think this country could have provided the testing, per capita, it would have taken early on to identify people who already were not at the point of seeking medical attention? Do you even comprehend the magnitude of that? Let's just, for the sake of argument, say that every country out there has done more testing per capita than the US. Yet, we still, somehow, have better death rate numbers than all of them outside of South Korea and pretty much right behind Germany. That's really the important stat, Gary. I don't care if every person in the US contracts the virus. What I care about is how many people die. I definitely would love to see the death rate below 1%; however, as of now you can't provide any data that shows we would have less deaths if Trump had acted sooner.

Like I said Gary. Try doing a little work on your own. If that stat is important to you, look it up. Stop being so intellectually lazy. While you are at it, why don't you answer the questions I asked you above: 1. Please take the time to post data that shows lack of action made this situation worse. 2. Please explain how widespread testing early would have affected the number of cases or number of deaths. I'll wait.

And what does it show? That we were literally .15% behind them during the same fourteen day window I described: a 55% increase vs a .40% increase. That's pretty close. So, if you are using Germany as an example of what was done well, then we are right with them. How about you actually do some work on your own to prove your points?

Actually, Gary, every country out there responded the same and have the same or worse data as the US (South Korea is an outlier and you cannot believe anything from China). So, if we were caught off guard, everyone was. I put the data in the posts above. During the fourteen day period after each country reached .002+ % of cases per capita (number chosen because that is a significant number of cases for each of the countries listed), respectively, we conducted more testing than any other country. 1. Please take the time to post data that shows lack of action made this situation worse. 2. Please explain how widespread testing early would have affected the number of cases or number of deaths. You like to constantly blame and make accusation, yet you never actually put any type of data or substantive information in your posts. So, please, take the time and answer my questions if you want to have an honest dialogue.

Hey Doc, It caught everyone off guard; however, the data shows this country has handled it better than virtually any other country out there. You saw the data I put in the post you quoted. Using the same countries, If you look at the data below you will see the date each country surpassed the number of cases equal to .002 of the population. If you look at the next fourteen days for each of the countries, you will see the United States has the 2nd highest percentage in the increase in confirmed cases, because we did more testing during that that period than any other country. Even though we had the 2nd highest percentage increase in confirmed cases, we had the 2nd lowest increase in percentage of deaths (just behind Germany). That tells me this administration and everyone at the state and city levels have been doing all we could have asked from them, given the circumstances. Hindsight truly is 20/20. Country Population Date Reached .002 (of total population) Cases Death rate at .002 cases Cases at 14 days from .002 Cases per Capita at 14 days from .002 Deaths at 14 days from .002 Death rate at 14 days from .002 14 day rise in death rate from .002 Italy 60000000 3/1/2020 2.41% 24747 0.0412% 1809 7.31% 4.90% Spain 46000000 3/9/2020 2.44% 35136 0.0764% 2311 6.58% 4.14% France 65000000 3/9/2020 2.12% 19856 0.0305% 860 4.33% 2.21% Belgium 11000000 3/9/2020 0.00% 3743 0.0340% 88 2.35% 2.35% Germany 83000000 3/11/2020 0.15% 37323 0.0450% 206 0.55% 0.40% UK 67000000 3/15/2020 2.52% 19522 0.0291% 1228 6.29% 3.77% United States 331000000 3/18/2020 1.60% 189633 0.0573% 4081 2.15% 0.55% Gary, see above.

Yeah, a lot of armchair quarterbacking going on in this thread. As I said in another post, if you are someone who is intent on blaming Trump for waiting too long to take this seriously, then, to be intellectually honest, you have to blame every politician in a position of authority at every level in this country and, virtually, every country in the world. Personally, I don't see the point. Especially when not one person in this thread has offered any type of empirical data that we wouldn't be in substantially the same position we are in now. If you look at the countries in Europe that, collectively, make up approx the same population as the US and, geographically, are grouped together, you see where we stand at the moment. I would argue that the travel bans bought us about 9-17 days (based on the rate each country took to reach .002% of cases based on total population), and that delay has allowed this country to mobilize government agencies for assistance (i.e., creating temporary hospitals) and the private sector in manufacturing needed medical equipment to, hopefully, prevent our hospitals from being overwhelmed to the levels we have seen in other countries. Country Population Cases Deaths Cases per capita Death Rate of confirmed cases Date Reached .002 (of total population) Cases Death rate at .002 cases Italy 60000000 105792 12428 0.1763% 11.75% 3/1/2020 (.002 of Population is 1304 cases) 2.41% Spain 46000000 95923 8464 0.2085% 8.82% 3/9/2020 (.002 of Population is 1000 cases) 2.44% France 65000000 52128 3523 0.0802% 6.76% 3/9/2020 (.002 of Population is 1413 cases) 2.12% Belgium 11000000 12775 705 0.1161% 5.52% 3/9/2020 (.002 of Population is 239 cases) 0.00% Germany 83000000 71808 775 0.0865% 1.08% 3/11/2020 (.002 of Population is 1804 cases) 0.15% UK 67000000 19522 1228 0.0291% 6.29% 3/15/2020 (.002 of Population is 1456 cases) 2.52% Total 332000000 357948 27123 0.1078% 7.58% United States 331000000 189633 4081 0.0573% 2.15% 3/18/2020 (.002 of Population is 7195 cases) 1.60% People are going to die. How many is unknown; however, I believe this administration and the individual states and cities are doing all they can to minimize that number. Nobody understood what was coming and to hear things like "Trump's lack of action is killing people," "Trump has blood on his hands," etc., is disingenuous at best and despicably political at worst.

Parental controls must have been turned off on a number of computers as children have taken over this thread. I’ll check back in tomorrow and, hopefully, the adults will have returned

The CNN journalist was worried his station might be flirting with racism since they have reported on the coronavirus scandal even though China would like everyone just to pretend everything is fine. They had even referred to it as the Wuhan virus before China told them to stop. Acosta knew drastic steps had to be taken to show how not-racist he was and prove that CNN was a bastion of love, tolerance, and globalism. So, live on the air this morning, he began solemnly stuffing live bats into his mouth one at a time.

I see this thread has been infected with its own virus... Fortunately, BullBuchanan and jrober38 just temporarily bring the collective IQ down to room temperature. They can't cause any real lasting harm... ...unless they reproduce

If you did then good for you. However, I certainly haven't been reading posts from you that suggest you hold anyone other than Trump responsible. My point is, if you want to spend your time casting blame, be my guest, just do it equally because if you feel one is to blame, then they are all to blame. Me, I see no value in it. It serves no uesful purpose right now. This administration has been no worse in responding to this than any other country and better than most. People are going to die here just like they are dying everywhere else - and just like they have under past epidemics. I believe this country will do all it can to keep that number as low as possible. I hope the end is not too far off. We can debate "should haves" and "could haves" all you like at that point.

"We must flatten the curve or support for Trump will only spread faster," she said. "It is time to put aside partisan bickering and petty rivalries and band together as a nation to focus on the real enemy: Donald Trump. It will be hard, but it will be worth it -- no matter if we destroy the economy or millions die. Any price is worth flattening the curve of fondness for the bad orange man."

He would adore you....

Really? This is all you got? Sad....

The lady doth protest too much, methinks....