billsfan1959

You just posted something comparing COVID-19 to the flu. This will not go unpunished.... How dare you

I think you must have come into this thread a little late as the idea that, during January and February, Trump and his administration were completely oblivious to all of the overwhelming evidence of what they and the world were about to face with COVID-19 has been pretty well debunked. Based on any accurate rendition of facts regarding knowledge of the virus during that time frame, any reasonable person would conclude that, before the end of February, nobody knew what was coming - and I could list you behaviors of leaders in this country (on both sides and all levels) and leaders of countries all around the world as added evidence. If you want to say this administration waited too long, fine, then be equally admonishing to everyone. I love the CNN article you cite with their continuing "unbiased" look at the facts. They love to point out that South Korea and the United States each experienced their first case within one day of each other and that on "March 13, when the total number of US coronavirus tests finally cracked 10,000, South Korea was doing that many tests daily." What they fail to mention is that South Korea was in closer proximity to China and their cases started to spike much sooner, experiencing a spike in cases almost a full three weeks before the US experienced a similar spike. On March 13, South Korea was experiencing 156 cases per million, the United States was experiencing 3 cases per million. By the time the United States was experiencing 156 cases per million they were testing between 100,000 - 150,000 per day. I'm not going to argue that South Korea wasn't quicker to begin testing and did far more tests per capita earlier than the US. However, I would aslo say that what happened in South Korea was an anomoly compared to what has happened in every other country. In addition, South Korea's new cases per day peaked on March 3rd, giving an indication, along with the lies coming out of China, that the virus could be contained and brought under control fairly quickly. The epicenter in Europe, Italy was just starting to spike with a little over 2000 cases and the United States still only had 124 cases. There isn't a country with a substantial population and a significant amount of cases that has come close to replicating what happened in South Korea. The only country outside of South Korea, with any substantial number of cases, that seems to have done a good job is Germany. I would argue that what is transpiring here more closely parallels Germany than Italy, Spain, France, the UK, etc. Would I have liked to see this country better prepared, react sooner, and have better testing capabilities sooner? Yes. However, I seriously doubt any administration would have done much differently, given the information at hand. When this is all over, all these questions can be asked, everything can be analyzed, and I am sure plenty of mistakes will be identified and there will be enough blame to go around. However, if you insist on having to point fingers and find blame, at least have the intellectual honesty to spread it around equally.

I think there is enough data from reputable sources to suggest the contagiousness and number of people infected is going to turn out to be much higher than people believed and the mortality rate is going to be lower than believed. it is going to be awhile before we have conducted enough antibody tests to have a really clear picture.

I believe you are thinking of Adam Schiff...

How is your niece doing?

This is my point exactly. Under normal reporting procedures, if someone had the flu or a respiratory infection that contributed to a fatal heart attack, the cause of death is ruled a heart attack. The flu or respiratory infection would be considered a contributing factor; however, the death becomes a statistic in the "deaths from heart attack" category. Currently, if you have the exact same scenario, except it is COVID-19 instead of the flu or other respiratory infection, the cause of death is COVID-19.

I'm sorry; however, I am not stoking any conspiracy theories. Nor am I trying to diminish hospitalizations or deaths from this virus. I am simply stating a fact. If you did not attend every death and if you do not have the autopsy report of every death, then you have absolutely no foundation on which to make claims about every death. I can doubt your conclusions on the topic, question certain things, and still not discount the seriousness of the virus and its consequences. Those are not all mutually exclusive. If it is all the same to you, I will wait until the all of the numbers are in and they are analyzed by those with the expertise to reach reasonable conclusions.

She didn't compare it to the flu. She was simply stating a fact. Dying "with" is different than dying "from." It has been acknowledged that everyone who dies and tests positive for COVID-19 is being classified as a COVID-19 death. Unless you attended every death or every person was autopsied, you have absolutely no way of knowing how many of those deaths were a direct cause and effect of the virus. Why is it legitimate for people to question every other aspect of this virus but not this aspect. The truth is, we will not know until we get a full picture of all deaths, including those that were "from COVID-19" to see how deaths from other causes look against baseline rates

Correct, the US averages between 7,000 - 8,000 deaths per day.

It might be a possibility. IMO, he can't afford to go back on that promise. However, I could very well be wrong.

Right the video is real. However, those are unclaimed bodies. They are being buried the same way New York buries unclaimed bodies every week of the year. Not diminishing the deaths from COVID-19. Just putting the video in perspective

The city of New York has shortened the time they hold unclaimed remains. If they are not claimed in 14 days, they are buried in the city's public cemetery https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/virus-kills-nyc-shortens-deadline-claiming-dead-70072042

He has already gone on record that his VP is going to be a woman. There is no way he goes back on that.

He has already said his VP would be a woman, he desperately wants to recreate the black voter turnout under Obama, and Clyburn has been front and center for Biden since their meeting before the SC primary. My guess is there was a little "quid pro quo" in that meeting. I would be surprised if his VP is not a black female. My guess: Harrris or Abrams.

Speaking of twisting facts, here is a sampling of your recent posts:

"I am the only candidate who can unite the party to defeat Reagan," he said to scattered applause. "When Super Thursday hits here in a few weeks, we can rally the 150 million Democrats here in the great country of Texas to vote for me so we can get Reagan and his crony Dick Cheney off the Iron Throne there in the Imperial Senate. Go Hoosiers!" Aides scrambled to turn off Biden's mic but he beat them away with his walker. "The time has come for the reign of Tippecanoe and Tyler too to end!" he shouted, though by this point he had wandered into a nearby field and no one could hear him.

You are being a little disingenuous, Gary, which is akin to saying Jeffrey Dahmer was slightly maladjusted....

All of which helps the current situation in what way?

You might have heard about what they are doing if CNN carried the briefings....rather than just watching Acosta interpret them for you.

How dare he engage in a little levity at a time like this. PEOPLE ARE DYING!!!!! Except for the Representative, of course, who thanked Trump for saving her life....

And when you do respond, more often than not, you simply cut and paste some article you clearly didn't read, probably wouldn't understand, and can never defend when challenged.

Don't you ever tire of getting schooled?

One day you'll get the hang of how to stay on topic and articulate yourself better in a debate...

i wouldn't have to use it so often if you weren't wrong so often. The rest of your post is just jibberish