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Bellicek kept 5 previous people when hired in NE from Pete Carrols staff, although very rare as you have pointed out, McD did keep Crossman when he was hired I would believe because he did decent job . IMHO which I could be very wrong, I feel that if McD would have had the same defensive coordinator in Schwartz with the same results that Schwartz defense was putting out when Ryan was hired he "MAY HAVE" taken a longer look at it and possibly given Schwartz more rope than Rex did due to the successes that Schwartz had . But Schwartz could see that Rex and his ego was something he couldn't work with and decided to leave which I wish Schwartz would have been given a chance to be HC for a bit of continuity but wasn't given the chance .

Rex's win loss record in 2 seasons was 15 - 16 in a then 8-8 the first season 7-8 the second season which he was fired before the end of that season because of his screw ups if he only needed a bounce here or there I'm sure he wouldn't have been fired before the end of the season but was . Doug Marone coached the Bills to a 9-7 season for goodness sake which was their first winning season in a while but decided to leave of his own decision but Rex with all of his experience couldn't take that team and continue to be better from there .

In your theory this is all well and good but I am willing to bet that if you talk to the players in most instances they will tell you that they didn't make the plays when needed and the coach can only call the plays and then sit and watch and is all on the players from that point forward ... So in your thinking it was Marv's fault that Norwood missed the field goal and should have called a different play given the situation ? And the missed tackles by the players that allowed the Giants to stay on the field was also Marv's fault or that the oppositions coach made his player play better at that point and time in the game ? And to your point if the defensive players don't miss tackles and stop the other team or allow the opposition to stay on the field by doing their job then they are not as gassed and could afford their teams offense to be on the field to score more points and have a better chance at winning the game ?

We will have to disagree because Rex's ego totally out weighed the team he had been given . He had a defense that was basically lights out and a D coordinator that could have if left alone taught Rex a bit about defense but Rex's ego once again tried to take that historically good defenses & change it . Did & screwed the pooch all the way around ! If he would have came in and been a HC and didn't;t think he and his schemes/experience was better than those around him he would have done better for the team because he took a 4/3 defense with those types of players and tried to change it to a 3/4 and we see how that worked . I believe given the same scenario McD would have saw what he had and left it alone allowing Schwartz the freedom to do what he had been because McD's ego wouldn't have gotten in the way and could plainly see success for what it was & left things alone but Rex not so much . And McD took the players that Rex had and in 1 season took them to the play offs when Rex had a 15-16 record in 2 seasons with basically the same players and never sniffed the play offs so the players were there but the coaching was totally different and if I remember the Bills fans were ecstatic that Ryan was hired .

So when does any of this fall on the players ??? Given your reply it's all on the coaches and NONE of it falls on the players yet you said your self in this reply "Kelly kept calling his own number" . Apparently you & I watched the same game but have a difference of opinion on it too because I distinctly remember the Bills D missing tackles that could have allowed the Bills Offense to be back on the field which is on the players not the coach because as you said Thurmon was killing them but didn't have the chance to more often because the offense wasn't on the field ... Well at least you think McD is a good coach .

Sean McDermott record with the Bills (which I know you don't care or respect) 86-45 in the regular season 7-7 in the post season for a combined 93-52 and is 1 of only 2 coaches in the league that has taken his team to the play offs in the last 7 STRAIGHT seasons . I think ya'll have to much Ralph in you !! By chance do you remember how many times it took MJ to get beat by the Pistons until they finally got the rest of the team & mental make up they needed around him to win ? 3 times they lost the division but numerous games and the NFL is 1 & done a little different but as I have said I'm sticking with a winner . The only way I would jump ship is if Josh himself says he's got to go because of some internal loss of confidence in his leadership but Josh is no where near what you all feel and has confidence in his coaches .

How do you figure ? The Bills had 1 point less than the Giants in that game . The Bills D was the reason why the Bills lost that first SB !! The Bills D continually allowed the Giants to stay on the field by missing tackles and not stopping the Giants offense in key situations . The Bills offense scored 1 point less than the Giants and were only on the field if I remember correctly 19 minutes 27 seconds the giants had the ball for a record 40 minutes 33 seconds because the Bills D couldn't stop the Giants hapless offense when needed . Alls the Bills needed was 3 minutes or less more on the field and Knorwwod.s name would have never been mentioned, I remember their RB braking through tackles keeping drives alive that the Bills should have stopped & that was their game to win and gave it away ...

Did McD take this team to their first play offs in 17 yrs with Tyrod Taylor at QB and a bunch of misfit players ? There was no JA 17 one the team that year ... Yes there was a little luck involved which is what this team has had absolutely none of, then having to win games with the refs against you quite possibly the NFL so the Chiefs could make a 3rd SB , certain coordinators making bad calls in the 13 second game, and such . It all starts with the a good leader that has changed the culture and 1 that is in lock step with the GM to bring in players and other coaches to help lead the team to stay winners every season & IMHO that's McD & will be until he decides to leave on his terms not a bunch of arm chair week end warriors that think they know more than a man that has lived every ounce of his life for football . Let's just hire Rex back how bout it ??

No I can't but I unlike most of you haters I will ride with the guy that gives me the best chance year after year instead of gambling on a different HC that will put us in the drink again like Jacksonville has done . As far as McD being a D coach yes but he allows those he has put in those positions to coach those players the freedom to do their job and he himself will take the blunt of it for their failures . I just get sick and tired of all the whining and crying a lot of Bills fans are like the wife that you can never please no matter what you buy her she always wants more . It's like for christ sake enjoy what we got quit your complaining, every year it's the same thing every body else in the NFL notices that McD is one of the best HC's in the league but our fans alls they want to do is criticize no matter how good the team does . Maybe it will sink in a bit more next year when some of ya'll walk into the Brand New Stadium that Mcd& Company helped the Bills get ... But I doubt it .

No but I bet if it would have been with the Bills he would have stayed . After being in the Bills locker room for a half a season all others can't compare and once he got a taste of the vibe in Vegas he was like I'm out this aint gonna work , I'd almost bet on it ...

Then WHO ???????? Name me one, And I want a guarantee that the next guys record would be better and that we would go to a SB !! Do you. remember who else was a defensive coach that whipped our ass every year for 20 yrs ? Can you say Bellicek ?? Oh and the coach that beat us in the first Bills SB against the Giants was a defensive coach so that doesn't hold any water sorry ...

Yes he has and they have been the best years since the 90's but the thing you all seem to forget and want to go back to is what was . Changing a HC, his staff, schemes every 3 yrs to see IF that is the answer you have learned little or nothing at all from the past ...

Can't tell what group you come from I suggest you go root for the Browns for a while then come back and see exactly how good we have it . Yah it sucks that we haven't been to the SB as of yet but the HC can only do so much and the biggest share is on the players . I suppose you are also a Knorwood hater blaming the SB against the giants on his miss instead of seeing the entire picture of how the D let the team down time and time again . I would rather be a part of a winning team every year than what transpired before McD got here . Prior to his arrival as you have apparently forgotten every 3 + years there was a HC ing change, scheme changes, player changes and NO PLAY OFFS AT ALL because there was no stability . I guess as they say you can't make every body happy and as I said you will probably still complain about something if and when they do make it to the big game . Oh and how many teams recently that change coaching staffs go from the bottom to the top and sustain it ?

What the yah hoo hater fans that want instant gratification that would complain about something even when this team wins a SB will never understand is a 7 year HCing career you are still learning things each and every year but all of that be damned if you are the HC of the Buffalo Bills !! No matter if you've taken the team from the dregs of the league to have a winning team every year makes no difference to the haters . Like the guy that was the second one here to post after your initial post it's apparent he is one of those that I speak of and I cannot wait to say to all the haters here when he leads this team to a SB victory that they can go P**S up a rope !! But like I said no matter the out come win or lose those folks won't give him any credit because that's just the way those folks are no matter what good comes from any situation they will follow their own personal narrative of doom and gloom no matter the leader of the team . But as long as he continues to do what he has been doing I'm sticking by him he's a Bills DNA guy through and through !! GO BILLS !!!

Both the new Mayor and the Governor need to be committed they are both crazy as a S**T house rat ! They would rather complain about not having the money or space to keep the illegal immigrants, take tax payer money to support keeping them there rather than allowing ICE to come in and remove the problem . F all of them ! Cut off any Federal funding and let the people of the state let their feeling be known if need be kick their asses out of office, eventually the people will and are starting to get tired of their BS lies and them sticking up for what is the wrong thing to stick up for and are seeing through their BS . And if anyone here is sticking up for either of them you are a part of the problem and it should be allowed for about 10 + illegals to come live at your house and you pay for them then report back and let us all know how it's going ... Stupid is as stupid does !!!

The fans that buck every move that this coaching staff makes , the front office has made, those saying the HC & GM needs firing are the joke, they all need to be excommunicated to the Browns fan base and see how they like it there and then report back . But maybe that's just me ...

That's not what LA, NYC, & Chicago mayors are saying ! After they claimed to be sanctuary cities and those others states against the historic illegal immigration allowed by the Biden administration the others said OKAY then you take all the illegals that they are allowing into the country only for them to then B**CH about not having money or space to support them . Going then to the feds saying they needed more money instead of stopping it at the source . Now the powers that be say BAD MAN Trump is not going to come into my city and get rid of these people but continue to take tax payer money to support the illegals because the dictator is trying to fix the problem created by Biden . Then people are seeing right through that BS line so now that Ass hat Governor & Mayor of Chicago are saying it's the Texas Gov. fault for sending all those poor illegal immigrants to Chicago . Well if your dum asses would have closed the border instead of the cackling VP doing the job she was given and her along with Mayorcos saying "OH We don't have a immigration problem" NONE of this would be in play but it is and NONE of you all will admit WHO made this but are the first in line to B word about the guy trying to clean up the mess !!!! SO grow a set and start blaming the source of the problem no matter if you voted for or against them and stand behind the solution weather you voted for or against them and just because there are children involved which this administration is trying to reunite them with their families but if Biden wouldn't have allowed it again NONE OF THIS WOULD BE HAPPENING ...

So you choose the weakest piece of the reply which is par what about all the other things I mentioned ? It is because there is no BS hoax as you always say he's done more positive in 8 months just trying to clean up the BS Joe left for him . Then if you count all the jack ass Mayors &. Gov. that would rather sit with a city full of illegals then beg the feds for more money to house them and keep the criminals amongst the citizens that elected them and take monies that could be used to help those folks to help shield illegals from being deported, but that how ignorants and stupidity work to over ride common sense & apparently your probably all for it . But I suppose this is a hoax too or wait this is the thing that Trump is a dictator sorry I got that wrong or maybe it's the one about him wanting to separate children from their families is that the one ? The delusion is in the mind with no common sense .

Agree there were so many tackles missed by the D it wasn't Knorwood's fault he should have never been in that position in the first place given all the opportunities they had to stop the Giants .

Knox is a Bill through & through I hope he can play out his career with the team !! He's always there when you need him and is always contributing some way some how, & even if forgotten for a minute coaches can be reminded just what a weapon he is just by throwing to him in clutch time . I could see him wanting to go to the Titans but he will always be a Buffalo Bill in my eyes . He came from a college where he was the underdog for getting the ball on the team he was on because of the others around him so he was a perfect fit from the get go .

Those involved with the entire thing with Ukraine both countries knew that there was no strength in office because the same guy allowed Iran to go sanction free & gave them access to all the money they needed to continue on their path to getting a bomb so why would this guy Bo up against Russia he's a puss !! When it comes to the economy we know there s not a lot of cash coming in from that it's not coming in from the green new deal or all of the union jobs lost by not Honoring the deal of the Keystone pipe line after how many possible Billions on setting up pipe, equipment, personal hiring, contracts, & on,Nothing like pissing off the closest neighbor to us . Besides even with all of this it took Joe 4 yrs to screw the pooch it didn't happen over night, although he tried !! So it will take some time for the actual income or deficit from these moves can be known . Housing was already up from prior actions due to covid . Oh and we can't forget the Egg thing right that dam Trump was killing chickens so we had to pay more for eggs, but that started to under Biden to but Joe brought it back once from the brink so he's up 1 . And "Made in America" which you called domestic manufacturing hasn't been what it use to be for a very long time and have been leaving for years and in part the tariff thing was put in place in some instances to put pressure on companies to build more here in the US to help bring back some of the manufacturing jobs that have been lost . But we know ORANGE MAN BAD - TARIFFS BAD !! Yes my electric like yours is up (Thank you green new deal) Higher health ins (thank you illegal immigration) my groceries are more and have been, gas is back to a fairly reasonable amount but would take more, Housing is absolutely ridiculous, but you have to sacrifice something's to in hopes of getting to a better place but the few things everyone in America wants is instant gratification, someone to blame if instant gratification isn't had,& to have it all with out any sacrifice .

1 I can't help what the weakness of your guy allowed to be started in the Ukraine that's on Joe once again Trump is just trying to clean up the left overs from the previous political debacle known as the Biden administration . 2 It''s awful funny how many countries you have seemed to forget that have come to the table and made deals because of those terrible tariffs put in place and the amount of some of the monies made from them and the economy was S**T before Trump took over . 3 I guess the Epstein thing if anything happened which is a way of having people look over here the same as they did with the Hunter stuff . It could be a trade out for Hunter being a porn *****, proven drug addict that brought cocaine in the White House and left it, then the lies that Joe never took any money from his sons actions in china business dealings , and his ignorants saying how the elites meaning him and dad needed open boarders so those people could do the lawn work and other jobs that the lazy Americans no longer want to do . It's funny how you bring up other stuff but have no concrete against the good things that have taken place that I listed that has happened in the last 8 months just the liberal BS that is being pushed all to often .

I know my old man filed years ago with a restaurant/bar because of stupid business decisions . You along with others with TDS forget that sometimes in business buying a failing company to file bankruptcy on is actually good business, despite that's all you all want to focus on is the action of and not the intent weather it was good or bad but meant as a business decision when it comes to the Orange man . Because if he did it with the intent of using it as a planned move then it wouldn't fit the narrative of all things Orange Bad . Trump has forgotten more about business dealings & learned more from the gains and more so the losses than you will ever know . But as I said before in my prior reply that the Bills D coordinator said and no truer words have ever been spoken - Failure is the best teacher ! But you continue to think that from your couple of apparent good business out comes or experiences that you know more than most and it will all be good ...

So was G F .

Probably much easier to not have to do some type of business moves like bankruptcy when your a thousand air but in the world of BIG business some of those true business men buy failing businesses to cover some of their profits and also for tax purposes . Much easier as I said when you are a thousand air rather than a Muti Billionaire ...