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O.K. I know it's getting to a slow time of the year & we all are looking for things to talk about & while answering another post i was inclined to ask (b/c of my answer in the other post) who might be other Bills fans biggest creep player of all time for the Bills ?? This has to be a player that has flat out screwed the Bills (in your opinion) as far as taking advantage of the team & the organization in some way shape or form ?? At first glance 2 come to mind for me any way in the recent past of the Bills , those being Willis McGahee & then there is Jason Peters & i will explain why i feel these 2 are a top my list . First - Willis - The Bills (T . Donahoe) went out on a limb & took McGahee as a first round pick , paid him first round money to sit & rehab his knee for a entire year (which no one was sure if he would come back from that horrific injury) if you saw it you all know what i mean !! But then i will at least give him that when he did come back he did justify the pick ! But then he showed his Miami attitude & raising it's ugly head in our little blue collar Buffalo city & proved that he was not the Bills type of player that fit the mold of this team . At least Marshawn just left via trade with out bad mouthing --- publicly any way !! Then there is Jason "the turd" Peters - the Bills draft him as a tight end (if I'm not mistaken which i could be) & realize that his talent lies at a different position , take him under a nurturing wing and show him that his true potential lies at a different position of which he becomes one of the best at & what does he do ??? He holds out not once but 2 different seasons during OTA's & such & i for one thinks may have elongated a couple of so called injuries in a preseason to get his point across . Then when the opportunity arises rather than working out or at least going to the Bills FO & seeing if they can give a counter offer or at least one that would be of equal status he bolts for the big bucks (greed wins again) but charma has come around to bite him right in the ass !! I know there are a few others but with that i will leave it up to the rest of you to see what your thoughts are of others & of my picks for "The Biggest Bills Creeps of All Time"

Well you have to think of it like this . Mcgee although hurt a lot in the past , when healthy is the best we have had in that position , so doesn't it make more sense to keep him around (being the best when healthy) not to mention being a life long Bills player & letting a guy go that is good but inconsistent at best to teach the rookies ? This way if Mcgee gets hurt & is ultimately cut before the season b/c he gets hurt again or just isn't 100% at the start of the season , at least the Bills have kept the best possible mentor around to pass on veteran knowledge to the rookie class of the past 2 years that will be the corp of this team for the next 4 to 5 years !! The only other thing that i can see where we may have fallen a bit short is the WR pick in the 3rd ?? I hope that Graham can become what the team envisioned him to be , or that Marcus Easley can become that person , which with his size & speed & the investment of 2 yrs already made by the team he is my horse in this race ! I just hope that if Easley does become our entrenched #2 WR that he remembers come contract time that the Bills paid him 2 years salary while he was trying to get his health issues in line & shows a bit of loyalty to the Bills for it rather than getting healthy , doing great things at his position & then being a Willis Mcgahee type & bolting while bad mouthing the team for better money .. What a creep !!! !!

Well all that you said is well & good & more than likely has some substance to it , but if we learn by example & the example is the best in the NFL , those being the obvious - Brady , Manning , & Brees then i think he should have been motivated to find some one to help him long before now . Especially seeing as he has been in the NFL for a while now .. Teabow noticed & did something to help his mechanics ! Brady had his college coach that he called after every game to tell him what he did wrong & hooked up with him every off season . So to sit back & say that he didn't know how to fix it or what ever it may be at this level of competition doesn't really show a winning mentality ! But let's hope that with Lee now fixing what is wrong with his mechanics Fitz will realize what it takes to be the winner we need in B/lo !!!

I've got 3 words for any one that doubts a late round pick !! TOM BRADY ANYONE ????????????????????

No -- the theory behind Einsteins thinking on relativity is this !!

Great !! This is one of the only instances that money can't buy you everything !! And it does my heart good when ever Jerry Jones gets blasted & can't show off his ego to the rest of the league .. And i'll just bet it pisses him of to no end that the lowly Bills have had a better off season than his ego tank Cowboys with ther 1. 2 Billion dollar palace on the hill Ya his team may be America's team which pretty much goes along with what America is all about now - EGO & a big pompous ASS that runs things , but not in my little piece of America It would be a great year if we could beat the Boys & the Pats in the same season . The Pats in the AFC east championship & the Boys in the SB that is a recurring dream i have -- maybe i need therapy !! GO BILLS !!!!!!!!! :worthy:

NOT !! Mckelvin as you said has some ST value WHY would you trade a team ESPECIALLY THE COWBOYS!! for an injured player to take up a roster spot ??? Think about what you are saying before you put forward the time & energy to put it in a post !!!

Not given the fact that L.A. has already had at least 2 shots at a NFL franchise , plus the fact that they have the Lakers , Clippers , Kings , & last but not least the Dodgers . Plus there are other teams fairly close being the Angels & USC , i like a lot of others especially with this new thing can't figure out why the NFL would want any thing to do with L.A. besides the greed factor !! I just heard the story of yet another sports fan beaten up & had to go to the hospital b/c of other ignorant L.A. fans .. What's that now 2 in 2 years & the first guy at a L.A. Dodger game for all we know might still be in the hospital or for that matter never be able to lead a normal life again because of L.A. fandom !! Hey they could call the NFL franchise in L.A. The L.A. Thugs --- perfect !!! What is it going to take some one getting killed out side of a California sports complex to make the NFL realize that there are other cities that are much more fitted for a great NFL experience !! (such as B/Lo) .. Sure California is suppose to have the glits & glamour because it's a big city , but it also has the thugs & all the rest that comes with it . I would think that the NFL would take all of that into account before they even hint of a team moving or being placed there just so they can up & move a 3rd time .. They call the NFL an experience that would be exactly what it will be in L.A. the experience of a lifetime , you don't know if you will make it out in one piece !! Hey they could run a special at all of the games .. One free hospital stay to one lucky fan with each ticket purchase , i bet that would bring them in !!!

Hey every body get's lucky once in a while .. Plus most of them came from the scouting department which if i'm guessing correct we didn't get rid of a bunch of them --- did we ?? Then you take into consideration that Jauron was a D coach & he drafted Maybin , Whitner , McCargo , Mckelvin , & others of which worked out real well for the team so i think he's a wash !!!

NO !! The guy has been a big mouthed turd ever since he's came into the NFL & charma has bit him right in the ass !! NO NO & HELL NO !!!!!

Doesn't this post not include dumb asses Crabtree being one of the afore mentioned !!

One thing for sure is that the intensity level is going to go up even more with Wanny being the D coordinator . That was one thing i thought was great just by adding Gailey into the mix from Jauron , the intensity level from the coaching position quadrupled !! Now you put Wanny in there & it will go up another 10 notches or so , which if teams match there what there coaches are like i think this will be a great upgrade on our D . I don't know that it's all in what you know about the game , there is a lot to be said about chemistry , no matter how good some ones individual talent is if there isn't chemistry between the players or members it just doesn't work some times . There are many examples ; before Marv Levy got to B/lo he didn't do all that well , insert him into the Bills with Kelly , Marchibroda , T . Thomas , Reed , & there you go history was made !! After Molly hatchets lead singer Danny Joe Brown left the group after the second album "Flirtin With Disaster" then came back after another 2 albums went by with lead singer Jimmy Frare & other original members left they could never get back to what they had on the first to albums B/C the chemistry was goofed up .. I Billeave that we may have finally found the CHEMISTRY our team needs to make it to the play offs !! I just hope that everyone involved stays happy in their roles & don't want to move on to so called bigger & better things !!

Got to say that was a great game for the Bills & one thing it showed me at around the 6;40 mark is that Brad Smith & the wild cat ain't all that & a bag of chips !!

That is great to here & to all of the Kelsay haters , who was the guy putting the pressure on Teabow ??? That's right , so even with all the new guys we know that Mr. Kelsay is going to be out there putting on the opponent like he has been doing for a long time --- EVERY PLAY !!!

My God there are more people out there than i thought !! The guy can't get a deal done with the Saints , he wants to be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL what in the world makes any Bills fan think we would go after him ?? Maybe he is just a fantasy , & that's all he will ever be in B/lo !!

Somebody has got to stand their ground though !! When does it stop ? How high do the contracts go for goodness sake ? After all it is a game & the priorities in the US are a little wacked when a athlete makes more money than the Pres. (not that he's worth more money & should be fired) but you get what i'm saying .. I don't get the entire getting pissed b/c they put the franchise tag on a player either ?? My God they are getting MILLIONS OF $$ to play ONE YEAR .. What's to get pissed at ? I'll trade them one year they can set brick & live off of $40 K & i'll take their measly $7 mil franchise pay !!!! These prima donna's are turning into a bunch of cry baby whiners !!

Another thing to put along with this post is , with Nix & Gailey both you know what you are getting there's no guessing if you don't want to know don't ask seems to be the mentality with these guy .. And they are both very smart no matter what people think of southerner's these guys know football & that's what counts !! GO BILLS !!!

What goes around comes around !!

Gailey is so football smart ! The answer about not giving advice to see how the rookies handle interacting with the veteran"s was a great answer the guy just has most all the right answers & i love the i don't give grades thing ! You'd think after as many times as the media guys have heard that they may change the question ..

I disagree !! I think b/c of Mcgees past injuries they will try to keep him in the picture & healthier by playing him in a lessor role , if he get's hurt he's all done ! They will wave him immediately b/c the youngsters are chomping at the bit to get playing time & we have some real good rookie talent !! I'd like to see Mcgee do better but he's been bittin by the bug , & father time waits for no one when talented youth waits in the wings !! Thanks Terrance it's been fun !!! I even think there may be a chance he get's cut for final roster cuts with all the good young players we drafted !!

I know it's a ways off but with all That Buddy , Chan , Whaley ,& Wanny have done to bolster the D this year i have a vision of what my starting line up is going to be on the defensive side of the ball with some rotational players & was wondering what some other Bills fans are thinking as we dream of the dominance our D will have this year not only in the AFC but in the NFL .. This is my take - what do you think ?? M . Williams ---------- M . Dareus ---------- K . Williams ---------- M . Anderson Rotation - C . Kelsay ---------- K. Heard ----------- T . Troup ----------- S . Merriman The LB corp is where i really need some help ! We have a ton of young & veteran talent but we can only have so many & could have one extra if we don't sign the kicker we drafted I know that Sheppard & Barnett are definitely in this mix as starter but who will be the 3rd LB & the back ups ?? ? Barnett -----------------------------------Sheppard ------------------------------- ????????????? A . WIlliams ----------------------- J . Byrd ---------------------------------- G . Wilson --------------------- S . Gilmore Rotation -- T . Mcgee ------------------------ ?? ------------------------------------- D . Searsy --------------------- R . Brooks Well that's what i got & just so you all know i ain't no great football mind but i did play one on TV once --- NOT !! Like i said i was just wondering what the other dreams are for this years line up b/c after all the time i have spent on this sight i know you all have your own opinions & aren't afraid to let others know what those opinions are !! So fire away Bills fans

Question ? Wasn't Buddy part of the Bills scouting department that came after Pollian left when Butler was here ? And did he leave to go to SD after Butler went out there ?? I have heard mention that Butler was here & then went out west to the Chargers .. Too if that is the way it was in SD (as far as a team thing in the draft room) it seems as though Buddy is doing the same thing with Whaley as his wing man !!

No need with the youth we have at the WR position !! Now there might be some interest out there for a trade for him some one could use him as the Jets did but just make sure we trade him out of the division like to Oakland or something !!

That could work !!! At least try first to see if he generates anything !! Rather than doing what Jauron did with Dockery just waited and let him walk for nothing .. You never know unless you try , if the Browns are now in need of a player that plays in his position you've got to at least try .. You can't catch a fish if you don't wet a line - you know what i'm saying ??

That is the only top notch band that i haven't seen do the super bowl halftime show & that would be great to here it with our Bills in the big game !!! This would have to be the last song before they came out for the second half of the game with the big explosions & all PERFECT !! Do you think they will ever play it ???? :worthy: