Green Lightning

Just draft a guy who is accurate. You can't seem to teach that. Don't care if he's tall or small, if he can hit a open receiver in stride should be the number 1 litmus test.

You are what your record says you are.

So what If he does? It's a team game, he's on the team and the coach thinks he gives us a better chance to win. EJ would still be the starter if the coaches believed he was progressing - he wasn't. He was incapable of making the basic reads and throws a pro QB must make. It's a swing and a miss on 1st round QB. Happens all the time. Move on and draft another QB, then another until you get a good one. Orton's got a track record to suggest he will give a better chance to win. Last I checked, that's the FN reason we play the games.

Calm down. EJ has a chance to work on his game now and we have a chance to win what were winnable games. Orton's no messiah but he can make basic throws, and we haven't had that out of EJ.

Marrone put his head on the block by picking an OC ill prepared for the NFL. He also mishandled the QB situation the past 2 years. What really disappoints me about him is his handling of the offensive line. It's supposed to be his expertise...Yeesh.

Defenses aren't worried about EJ running because he doesn't. I would easily trade the running threat for a QB that can make basic throws and see open receivers.

Once all our LB's healthy and an added CB, the future looks good. Gotta replace KW sooner or later, no easy task.

Indeed! The DC's to come will be left in awe by Hackett's unpredictability. Their only solace will be their team winning.

Watch the second half. Then watch the first half again. We should have won that game handily. The quarterbacking was abysmal.

You are what your record is. We are not a great team.

What does it matter? If the line can't block and the QB can't see one receivers half the time it doesn't matter.

Not pretty. Again, EJ wasn't good and like last week,the OL was terrible as well. The Texan D was great, but we still gave this one away.The Doug's put this O together. They have to figure it out. We get to watch because this line up is not going to change. The D gave up 16 points. They Sid their job.

Bump (I kid) Well I came across a quote from the writer Vera Nazarian which applies to this thread: "Don't bother to argue anything on the Internet. And I mean ANYTHING...The most innocuous, innocent, harmless, basic topics will be misconstrued by people trying to deconstruct things down to the sub-atomic level and entirely miss the point...Seriously. Keep peeling the onion and you get no onion."

Stupid thread.

Some civility please. Another 50-plus pages of this won't change where we are. EJ is our QB for the foreseeable future and like it or not, we have a front row seat to his maturation or his demise. Enjoy the positives and B word at the negatives-that's our right as fans. Right now I'm bitching, but in perspective. I still believe this still can work with EJ. I also believe it can go south in a major way. We have to play this out and getting nasty with each other doesn't seem to be a constructive thing to be doing.

I suspect if EJ were better we'd be in the top 30 at least! #sarcasm

Pears is flat out bad. Put Urbik back at RG and CR to LG. We will take some lumps,but we are already and it's not going to improve otherwise.

Re-watched the game. Didn't look any better. Despite shaky O Line play, EJ had time and options to use to move the ball. Save for a few impressive escapes and a bullet on 3rd and long, he was dreadful. Not saying we move on, but understand as much as this was a "team" loss, it was still very winnable into the 4th quarter. And if Rivers or the like were playing for us, I think we pull it out. The rush reverts him to an indecisive, panicky arm thrower with happy feet. Frustrating to see him not run when he should and to throw with such inaccuracy. He doesn't look scared, just panicky. Pulling him now would be a disaster. He needs to play his way through this and that's the only true move we have. So, at least 14 more weeks to go (be nice to play in January...who knows?) and we'll know a lot more about where we are. Until then, we should look at him as a work in progress but reserve the right to B word when he plays like he did Sunday.

That's just stupid. So 150 mils down the T'Way has validity but 400 miles does not? B in NYC has cred in spades and your characterization is i insulting to this board. You want to disagree argue, don't insult.

Top 5 reasons we lost today: 1) EJ 2) EJ 3) OL 4) CB's 5) EJ

I'm cold and I need more donuts. Or: Hackett and Pears for Reich and Rheinhart..whaddya say?

Sorry folks. No way to not say it. EJ just blew this game. He flusterd easily, made poor decisions, highly inaccurate (hope Goodwin recovers) and just missed too many reads. He needs to learn from it but come on, you can't defend it, he stunk today.

Schwartz needed to bring heat much earlier on. It was effective when he did. LB's no match for great TE's. McLovin and Gilmore are just playing poorly. Still, a few plays on 3rd and long and it would have been much closer. In the end, O lost his game.

We have a green QB who gets rattled easily and makes poor choices consistently. At this point he is not a threat as a comeback QB. The O Line is not good. Guards are the weak links. It appears that if our D Line doesn't play lights out 100% of the time, our secondary is ordinary at best and Linebackers a liability in coverage.

EJ was flat out awful. But let's see if he learns anything from it. Way too early to give up on him.