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M. Martz will keep them from running that much!! That's Bear fan wishful thinking. Chicago sports media are all over this game with FEAR! They're afraid Cutler will blow up - again. They're afraid Martz won't know enough to run the ball - again. They think the Bear Oline is worse than ours. They would rather play the 'Boys this week!! The Bills win this game and Lovie could be looking for a new OC, and then a job!! Win #1 this week and the roll begins!!

You'd think we'd have a better overtime record then!

Every one that's left!!! How could the answer be anything else? Why would the answer be anything else? The answer to Moss is NO because you bring in risk and that area of the team isn't presently the main concern.

Roux?

Certainly not yet. There're are several that look like they will continue to grow and can be big parts of a better D, but right now . . .

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: I love a thread where you actually have to go back and read several pages of conversation in order to jhave a shot at making a useful, intelligent contribute!! You are guys are great! I'll be back when I've done my required reading!

The sky is falling? Why are you inventing reasons to be disappointed in the Bills? I don't think you have to work so hard to worry . . . There will be 4 or more QBs taken before Ponder next Spring . . .

And remember, "Bo and Mo" like Fitzy better!

He's got that good first step ---- how 'bout pinch-runner? Not DH, he can't hit!

+1! PS>>Sorry about that whole Missouri thing . . .

Schlereth is not my favorite guy, but he played the game long enough and well enough to make it to the NFL. He brings a perspective that most of us won't ever have. You don't even have anything to bring to the table about his comments, his "general disposition" doesn't make your top ten. So, instead of having something to talk about you throw out hate-speech and playground smack-talk against a guy who you'll never meet. Then you take a moment to throw a couple other people under the bus. Try bringing something to the table, then we can talk about it. I call you on your bully-child antics and you think using them against me is going to . . . what? . . . intimidate me? . . . ooooohhhh! And you want to flip me the finger! OUCH! . . . You're really not very good at this ITG thing, are you? I grew up in the 60s and 70s in WNY using a lot of ignorant hurtful words and actions. But then I grew up and paid attention to the world around me. Using "gay" and "pansy" and "vagi-man" is 7th grade playground bully crap that adults ought to leave behind. Check out the news- kids are dying over this junk. Responsible or not, your words and actions have meaning. Misogynist, and homophobic bullying is part of the problem, not part of the solution. It needs to stop everywhere - even in the sacred circle of competitive sports - - even on anonymous tough guy sports forums.

Sorry for the over-emphasis, but I hate this conversation. I can't think of any football player or coach or anyone connected to a team that has or will agree with "It's better to lose . . ." -- even behind closed doors. You don't go from 0-16 to 16-0 in one big step. You GROW into a successful team. You learn to win. You walk, then you run, then you win. Going 2-14 means you're a better team than going 0-16. It means you're closer to going 11-5. Yes, you'll draft slightly lower, but the difference between the guy drafted #1 and the guy drafted #5 has more to do with the needs of the teams and their ability to make good use of their picks. You can argue till you're blue about draft choices and scouting - etc. On the field, it's win or lose. You guys know this. It's better to win. Winning breeds winning.

Wins are ALWAYS better than losses.

successfully? no

Can't buy into the moral victory thing, but I'd rather watch a replay of that game than have to watch any of the others again . . .

Please, just go away.

B. Gabbert -- NFL stud to be . . .

That's a joke, right?

Could you just try making a point without being rude and childish? If you have a comment to make about someone else's post, why not make it in reply in that thread -- you know kind of like a conversation. Starting a new thread so you can rage against anonymous idiot fans who are causing the downfall of the Bills seems . . . I don't know . . . what are the words I'm looking for? People have put up with your junk for about 10 years?? That seems absurd to me.

I don't care why Fitz's production is where it is. It could be raw talent, or brains, or hard work, or good team play, or great coaching, or just dumb luck. The point is the offense is being RELATIVELY succeessful and Fitzpatrick is playing RELATIVELY great football. I'd rather see the team win than see what Gailey can do with a young phenom while the team continues to lose. It takes more than a Franchise QB to win and it gets proven time and again in the NFL - great teams win, not great players. There are so many HUGE needs for this team - especially on the defense - that to be focusing on drafting LUCK at this point is, . . . (What's the word?) . . . assinine. Playoff contenders have the luxury of grooming young talent. QBs drafted in the top 5 are rarely, if ever, given 2-3 years to watch and learn. I have no idea which player I'd draft in April, but I know which positions I'm spending most of my present time scouting, and it's not QB.

Given the offensive production since Fitz took over this year, why would you remain focused on replacing him. Even if you draft an "upgrade" at QB it's goiing to be merely incremental until you fix several of the team's other issues. The production gap between what we have and what we need is infinitely larger on the other side of the ball. Spending a high number one with the intent to let him sit for a couple of years???? And that fixes our decade of despair how???

So, . . . Like I was sayin' . . . I hope Bob in STL is wrong about BG stayin in school another year. He's good, makes fewer mistakes than most, and has all the physical tools -- including a brain! He solidified his spot in the "draftable QBs" conversation tonight. He's not Heisman-flashy like Newton, but he can do everything, make every throw and even use his legs.

Cool? . . . or just terribly, terribly sad. Besides won't he have to change it in a week or so?

Sorry to be unclear -- I had jumped from Raven-bashing to Dolphin-bashing. In '72 the Undefeated Dolphins only beat the Bills by 1 in October.

:thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: Hey, ITG, You are WRONG about your point and how you make it!