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much obliged, thanks

he was quoting a mock draft I believe...so it isnt that he necessarily believes we are rebuilding, its just what the mocker (who likely knows nothing about the Bills) thinks we are in rebuild mode rebuild mode usually happens when the team fires its head coach, switches offense/defense system, is drafting in the top 10 and needs a new starting QB - the bills have almost all of those boxes checked off, and if we jettison Tyrod we will have all of those boxes checked off....so an argument COULD be made, especially from an outsiders point of view, that we are in rebuild mode

Not attacking you so please don't take this that way.... You keep saying "the coaching staff saw progress throughout the year"...but do you have any evidence of this? Was this said it press conferences? Interviews? I was pretty in tune with those and only ever heard them specifically say that he was really struggling and then some source said he couldn't even handle running the practice squad (I cannot recall for the life of me where that report came from but I specifically remember it was from a reliable source). I know, and you don't give most bills fans credit - at least the fans I know and interact with - that he was drafted as a raw project with no hope of seeing the field for 1-3 years, but I was disheartened by the lack of progress alllllll year from cardale. So, if you could shed some light on where you had been hearing of actual progress that would make me feel better. Thanks in advance.

Gunner, great work...obvious you put in a lot of time and thank you! I have watched every 2016 game from both Mahomes and Watson (the only two QBs I would even want the Bills to draft)...and have slightly differing opinions than some things you mentioned. Mahomes - you nail a lot of his negatives, "slingy"/atrocious footwork, but you say he does NOT throw guys open but instead waits for them to be open like Tyrod? I couldn't disagree more here. In all of those games mentioned there are more than a handful of passes where he does exactly that and throws a dart to a spot that his WR has to get to...thats throwing guys open... Also, I thought he did a great job keeping his eyes downfield when the pocket collapsed. Granted, he was scrambling legit like 70% of the time because his line was puke, so I'm sure sometimes he was in survival mode, but there are also plenty of times he makes incredible plays because he is keeping his eyes downfield. Interesting you did not watch the WVU game, which was not quite a train wreck for him, but it was not a good showing against a pretty GREAT D...he did make some great decisions/throws/plays, but it was a really rough start to that game for him which worries me. Watson - he is a gamer. he makes some great plays. I don't see him throwing guys open like you did, at least not as the rule (maybe the exception). I see a lot of "lazy balls" that get picked all day in the NFL. He doesn't have a weak arm, it seems like he just makes some bad decisions/throws where he lobs the ball up in the air to his WR (Mike Williams a lot of the time) and lets him attempt to make a play...and not in a good way where he places it only so his WR can get it. I could see him continuing this in the NFL and throw 20+ picks. I am torn on Watson...I like his leadership, work ethic, personality, decision making (spread offense so it should be good)...but I cannot get over a lot of these balls that just hang in the air and look to be sure INTs....thoughts?

Good link thanks Some youth here to counter the experienced geezers added previous

Gugny is now part of the "let's roll with TT because what else do we have" crowd so you should take him off that list

For the first time ever, it's just the wife and I this year at home... Venison/pork combo hot sausages Sun dried tomato and pesto potato salad Chips and bison dip (general snacking throughout pregame) A dip of some sort that is undecided that my wife is going to make - open to suggestions fellas so feel free to help out Lots of beer, mostly my own home brew

I think he can coach the QB position, hes been around football for 40 years and was a QB himself....seems like another good hire A WR coach doesnt just hang out with the WRs and say "run this route, catch the ball" After Maclin is cut as a cap casualty in KC, having Culley on staff can help us sway him to come finish his NFL career with us... Maclin on Culley being in KC when he signed, "It's a big factor why I came to KC, and I have nothing but love for him....its more than a player-coach relationship. We're actually friends and its deeper than that".

I think BB and TB are intertwined and cannot be separated for purposes of ranking coaches/QBs I think one without the other never ever comes close to the success they have achieved together Take TB away from BB and BB is an average football coach, take BB away from TB and TB is an average QB...together, and with the winning and confidence that has happened which has grown spread to all players on the team, they have become the best QB and best coach in NFL history What they have done together is incredible, and as a Bills fan, heart breaking

Yes unfortunately this is correct...dont care about overall super bowl record...count the rings man Peyton is a close 2nd

Isn't Lal still under contract with the bills?

Ive been a season ticket holder for a longggggg time....and I've maybe had an issue at the bathroom once. Dont go in between quarters, dont go at halftime....duh?

Exactly. We got a well respected and knowledgeable offensive coordinator, and from many reports, the guy we have been targeting and talking to for the job since McCoy took the same position elsewhere for many other reasons other than "I don't want to coach the bills". Great hire that shows we have talent that actually NFL people want to work with. Loving it.

THANKS EBALL! Love the changes you have instituted

Absolutely. I've said for over a week now, as did many other posters here, all the reported interviews were either A) not actually happening and it was bad info to our sleuthy local reporters or B) they were interviewing for QB coach job Like that farce that was Greg Olsen, he was never getting consideration for the OC job and thats why he took the QB job out west...he didn't "bail on the bills" as Sal or Vic reported, he just chose to be on the west coast in same position. Don't listen to the media, they never know anything - aside from occasional Wawrow nuggets

All great points regarding 4) so we would still be spending resources (draft pick) on a RT with this scenario? I kind of thought the point of this scenario, aside from getting the best 5 linemen on the field, was to NOT spend resources on RT so we could address the rest of our many needs

same thing brother...most on here just spew what they hear on WGR

I'm interested in the idea but your banking A LOT on CK being able to actually hold down that LT spot with not a lot of evidence to support it. I get that CK looked pretty decent/ above average in spot duty at LT this year. That's different than every snap, all 16 games. A lot of trust... Also semi short sighted bc if CK looks good at LT next year he's gone the very next year bc your not paying two tackles LT money (and I think CK is in contract year)

well the locals yesterday reported that the Bills were going to interview AVP - and then this morning that was rebuked....so perhaps the same thing happened with Greg Olsen (yea sure hes being interviewed by the Bills...oh wait, hes taking the QB coach job in LA - he has passed on the Bills, when in reality maybe the Bills never intended to interview him at all, let alone for the OC job)

I ask this in seriousness...how do we know, other than Vic or Sal, that there actually was an interview set up with Olsen? I mean I know those two reported it, did OBD ever come out and say they set up an interview with Olsen? I do not trust media, especially local media...aside from maybe Wawrow (even though he is annoying and has horrible taste in music), so I believe nothing until after the fact

absolutely what happens with these WGR-ites

Exactly this....local reporters like Sal and Vic are pissing me off with their tweets about Olsen passing on the bills...he would only have been passing on the bills if we offered him the OC job and he instead took QB coach job out west. We didn't offer him jack, and I really do think he knew we didn't want him as OC (QB coach).

WGR is the worst thing for the Bills and Sabres - it gives thoughts to the thoughtless and riles them up into a frenzy It's like Fox News for the uber conservatives (I'm neither so don't start talking politics at me) Settle down and let the offseason play out without hitting the panic button, Jesus

Why the F is this entire thread about Rex!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!! Rex is gone!!!!! Either can this shitttttttt talk about him or change the god damn thread title to something more appropriate Most people click on a thread based on a title and enter expecting one thing, THIS is not as advertised and highly annoying

My love for Mahomes is well known here, so I'll keep this brief Yes mahomes has his flaws - virtually every QB to ever be drafted has them - but he has enough intangibles when it counts I think. Pros - super strong arm, not just deep passes, but the dude throws it into tight spaces as best as I've ever seen (Favre), and this is usually off his back foot! Imagine what he could do when actually taught to step into his throws. - he has pretty advanced presence in the pocket. He feels pressure and is more than mobile enough to escape it. He doesn't take off early either, he hangs tough. - he is tough. He doesn't get hurt even though he does run frequently. - he seems to have "it". Teammates and coaches love him as a leader - he actually makes reads and goes through progressions!!! I promise you of that! That won't be an adjustment he will have to make (any more than other QBs who aren't "system" guys). He does this and does this well!!! I know it's hard to overlook that he is a "system" QB....but others have overcome that in the NFL. It's hard to overlook some games where he looked pretty terrible at times (West Virginia game in particular). It's hard to overlook his awkward footwork and bottom half of throwing motion. But again, all of these warts can be overcome, or don't need to be because he is just a good QB who has got it done and I trust will at the NFL level. A lot of his problems have also been reported to have come because of his equal focus on baseball until recently. He can be taught properly. As of right now I believe will be gone in the first round, we would have to take him at 10, trade back (would rather take an impact player) or trade back into the bottom of the first round and take him if we want him (hell yes I would give up next years 1st). He was given a round 1-2 grade by draft advisory board. I guess it was not as short as I promised above, my bad....but let's draft us some mahomes!!!