BillsPhan

In general, with this being Buddy and Chan's first draft class coming into their first training camp in charge of the Bills, I seriously doubt if any of the draftees will get cut, in favor of any of the undrafted FA rookies. But I'm sure we'll see a surprising veteran or three cut along the way as camp progresses. I like the serious tone Gailey has set even during the mini camps and OTA's. I've read that the team is working way harder in the weight room and the training room under the two new strength and conditioning coaches, and training camp should be very interesting this year.

You left out one little fact: Ralph Wilsons' Buffalo Bills are the only team in NFL history to win 4 consecutive Conference Championships and represent their Conference in 4 consecutive SB's in the 44 year history of the SB. Plus, if Scott Norwood makes that 47 yard field goal, and even if the Bills would have still lost those next 3 consecutive SB's, Wilson would have been voted into the HOF years before he finally made it, and he would be our beloved Bills all time owner. Think about that before you continue ranting how much of a loser Ralph Wilson is, will you? One 47 yard yard field goal staying true instead of sailing wide right, would have changed the way EVERYONE judges Ralph Wilson.

There was never a 5-0. They went 4-0, before getting hammered by the Cardinals in Arizona. (Edwards himself got hammered on the first or second play from scrimmage.) But they came back to upset San Diego at home after the bye week and went to 5-1-0.

My expectations are that he will end up starting and struggle through another injury filled inconsistent season. My hopes are that Brohm ends up the full time starter by the end of the season, and Trent Edwards is cut or traded by next year. If Gailey oversees another merry-go-round of high school level quarterbacking by all three of these guys, I would expect them to be cut or traded, while Levi Brown heads into Free Agency March 1st 2011 as the only QB on the roster. Then we can all spend 20 hours a day out here trying to figure out who the next Bills QB will be.

My thoughts are that the Bills leave us way too much to think about going into every season. It was so much easier 20 years ago when the only thing I used to think about this time of the year ; can they get over the hump and win the SB this year??

Present: lacking talent. Future: hopefully better.

Donte Whitner talks a lot, but plays very "quietly." I could care less if the defense is "liking" the new schemes, I just hope they can play better defense using them.

Yeah, and how did that work out for we Bills fans? Pretty damn good if you ask me, except for the results of the 4 consecutive SB's his Bills played in.....a feat that most likely will never be repeated again in the NFL. (If only Norwood had made that field goal, huh?) But then, after the fourth SB loss, John Butler struggled to re-stock the team while juggling with the new salary cap and age of free agency. Anybody think that Ralph made it easy for him? Anybody shocked that Butler quit or was fired almost identically the same way Polian quit or was fired?

Excuse me? You say the Bills didn't need Faneca because they are set at guard? Well I sure hope you're right about that, because although I was impressed by the fact the two rookies played from the first snap last season, Wood is coming off an ugly broken leg injury and Levitre spent a lot of time getting knocked back on his butt and certainly did not do enough to convince me that he was irreplaceable coming into his sophomore year. Especially to make room for Alan Faneca for a couple of seasons. Plus, as a bonus, if the Bills did bring in Faneca, but still thought as highly of Levitre as you do, they could switch Wood to center this season where he belongs eventually anyway, and pit weak Hangartner on the bench as decent depth, where he belongs.

Here's a fact for you: The last time the Bills played in the post season was January of 2000. The Music City Miraculous Forward Lateral game, remember? Based on that very non-confusing fact, how can any suggestion of how to build the Bills, even if it reminds you of the Cowboys and Redskins, be worse then what they've done the past decade??

Ralph will be remembered as a loyal owner of a small market franchise, and one of the founders of the AFL. In addition, they will mention he was a big player in the original merging of the AFL into the NFL, creating the AFC and NFC. They also might mention he loaned some of his fellow struggling owners of the AFL money to stay afloat in the early days of the AFL. Unfortunately for him and us, it looks pretty hopeless that he will ever be remembered as a SB winning loyal owner of a small market franchise.

No, I may have used the word relevant, but what I really meant was that those 4 veterans would have gone a long way towards helping the Bills win this season, instead of needing to wait 2 or even 3 years before they start winning, which is the obvious course Nix and the inner circle have settled on. And the process of winning as soon as this season, would have made the Bills relevant around the NFL again. Signing one diva WR last season adding nothing to the wins column like T.O's signing last year, is the type of relevance that does nothing for me. I didn't buy his Bills jersey, or buy tickets to a game just to see him play. I'm too old and have been a Bills fan for over 40 years to get caught up in that pathetic kind of hype.

Really? Well it seems to me that Ralph Wilson, at what, 93 years old?....should be pulling out all the stops so to speak to win one SB before he dies. Just my humble opinion, but with all the money he has acculmulated in his lifetime, I'm just surprised he is still so hung up on Buffalo being the forever "small market" and his infamous "cash to the cap" philosophy. Here's an example of what I"m talking about here. Let's say Ralph decided to throw caution to the wind, and spend back up to the limit of the cap, and pay the big signing bonuses prorated over the life of the contract to fit into the cap every year. Beginning this season after bringing in Nix who brought in Gailey. How different would we be thinking about this coming season, if Nix/Brandon/Overdorff/Litman and anyone else involved in the "inner circle", would have gone out on March 1st and brought in these 4 players, using OUTSIDE Ralph Wilson money for the bonuses, but still prorating them out enought to squeeze into this years' salary cap? 1) Brandon Marshall (may have needed to trade for him like Miami did.) 2) Alan Faneca 3) Julius Peppers 4) Joey Porter I have no idea how the Bills would or even could have gotten them all under the cap, but look around the NFL and you see other teams with 4 players of equal stature all playing together and being paid at the same time. Imagine Peppers at DE with Porter lining up opposite of him at OLB. Faneca stabalizing the young kids on the OL, and Marshall lining up opposite Evans. All of a sudden with just 4 veteran free agents added into the mix, the Bills are relavant again.

First of all, since when has Donte Whitner proven he's "real good against the run"? In fact, the Bills have been nothing but "real bad against the run" overall, for the past few years now. I agree the secondary seems to have more talent then the front 7 heading into training camp. But even with Byrd snagging his 9 ints. last year, and Wilson being good around the ball too, the Bills' defense rarely stopped anybody when it counted last season. So you could be right as far as more effective blitzing, with the Bills d-backs playing more man to man to compensate. But as far as stopping the run, that's where George Wilson and his 3-4 players need to prove to the NFL and we fans that they are up to the task.

I love this part of the article above: Spiller says:..."I let my agent handle all of that," Spiller told Clifton Brown of Sporting News. "We're not going to rush. We're going to make sure we cross our T's and dot our I's, however long the process takes. I just have to be patient."... My translation: "We're not going to rush. We're going to wait for the number 8 and number 10 picks to sign first, since Jim Overdorff and Russ Brandon have not blown us away with an offer yet.".... You just have to love the owners. On one side of their mouths they complain that the players already get too much of the money. On the other side of their mouths, they continue to say OK to their GM's / VP's / "Inner Circle Member Responsible for Paying Players" to bow down to rookie agents and over-pay these kids that have never played a down yet.

NFL history is littered with former 1st 2nd and 3rd round QB's backing up starters, still trying to hang on as 3rd stringers, or out of the NFL completely after only a few years. I have no idea what the heck happened to Brian Brohm from the moment he was selected by the Pack in the second round of the draft a few years ago, till today as one of 3 mediocre struggling young QB's vying for the Bills' starting job a few weeks before training camp. But this kid will never have a better situation to take over a starting job in the NFL then this summer: 1) Everyone on this board seems to think his new head coach is a modern day offensive genius who specializes in helping average QB's play above average football. I am a little more skeptical on that front, but for Brohm, Gaily has to be at least one of the best head coach choices to come into his picture, that's for sure. My choice was John Gruden, who went to the playoffs with inconsistent but talented Rich Gannon, and then won a SB with less consistent and less mobile Brad Johnson. But Chan it is, and the guy has had success with average QB's. 2) Trent Edwards was a 3rd round pick, and Fitzpatrick was a 7th round pick. 3) Neither Edwards nor Fitzy did anything last season to deserve to keep Brohm out of the picture this preseason. 4) Brohm has a lot to prove, coming off his record setting junior season in Louisville, and then falling off enough his senior year to cause him to drop into the second round of the draft before Green Bay selected him, a team that already had Aaron Rogers as their established Favre replacement anyway. 5) Any head coach coming into this bleak of a QB situation, would lean towards a new starter, in my humble opinion. Gaily's ego might like the idea of Brohm being "his guy" in this new era of the Buffalo Bills, as opposed to the two guys that played 15 of the 16 games last year. In any event, Brohm is who I hope wins out. Sure Edwards and Fitzy are both still only in their mid 20's, and maybe both could be viable starters in the NFL. But I would like to spend this non-playoff season, the 11th consecutive one, watching the Bills play as differently as possible from the past three non-playoff seasons. A new quarterback would certainly be different even if he struggles at times. Obviously he'll be on a short choking leash, with Edwards and Fitz having as much to prove and as much motivation as Brohm has heading into September 12th and beyond.

Since Brohm has only started one game in the NFL, and he has not even earned a job as a full time back up quarterback to begin a season yet, he didn't even deserve to be on the original list that this thread was linked to. I have no idea what Chan is thinking regarding QB for this year. But I hope, out of the three guys heading into training camp, that Brohm wins the starting job outright. New head coach +, new young former 2nd round pick QB getting his first chance to start. That scenario is the most appealing to me for the 2010 season.

Sure, he has a hell of a lot more starts. Mostly average to bad starts that is. Kolb is just this season getting the starting job for the Eagles. That makes him at least for the first few games of the 2010 season, a starting QB. Fitzy is still a career back up so far.

Most Consistent Offense - Fred Jackson Defense - Jarius Byrd ST - Brian Moorman Least Consistent Offense - The other 10 starters Defense - The other 10 starters ST - Any rookies who end up starting on ST. (They are rookies, after all.)

You don't need to see his proof. Just lay down your money online at a Vegas or Reservation casino site. They will be very happy to take your money off your hands.

Here's one thought: find 5 offensive lineman who can pass block well enough to give the mystery starting QB enough time to throw over the heads of the "squating" DB's and exploit the one on one coverages for long gains via the pass! Then, when the defense backs off a little, RUN the ball down their throats. Wow, I haven't seen that kind of offense from the Bills since Kent Hull retired along with Jimbo in February of 1997. Well, Flutie and Rebuen Brown and Eric Moulds and running back Smith had some nice offensive games after 1997 for a couple of seasons, but certainly CRAP after those guys left. Well alright, I'll give it up a little for the first 8 games of 2002, when Drew Bledsoe lit up the NFL and led the Bills to a 5-3-0 record. Oh, and then again for 6 of the last 7 games in 2004, when he went on a 6 game winning steak that featured tons of points and nice running yardage from Travis Henry. So let's sum up shall we? Two seasons of Flutie ball, plus 8 games from Bledsoe and company in '02, and 6 games from Bledsoe and company in '04. THAT'S ALL FOLKS. That's 46 games of good offensive football out of the past 208 since Kelly and Hull retired. Man, I hope that Gailey is only even at least half as good as people are making him out to be!!

Um... the "column they had sorted", whatever that means, has a number 28 next to it, for the Buffalo Bills. If you go up to the very top of the page, and read the heading above all those numbers, it says: RK Now, and I'm just spit balling here, but I think RK stands for the word....RANK. Looking one line down, there is the number 1. Indianapolis Colts. Makes sense to me that Peyton Mannings' OL would be ranked number one, don't you think? So nice job of picking out the postive's within the Bills' number 28 overall ranking, but they are still 28 out of 32 teams.

What does race have to do with the fact that Kelsay, in my opinion, has a high motor, works hard, but does not seem to have the quickness and speed (or as I like to call it.....TALENT) to excell in the NFL? Poz is just as white as Kelsay, but once he learns to stop over-persuing as much as he does, taking himself out tackles, he DOES possess the quickness and speed to excell in the NFL. In my humble opinion. Two white football players, one with more talent (speed and quickness), then the other. Sorry Meathead, but making those comments does not qualify me as a racist.

What is your definition of legitimate starter? Here's mine: (1) He must be healthy enough to start at least 13 of the 16 games. (2) He must lead the team to at least an 8-8 record by his second year of being the full time starter NOTE: Even with the 2-14-0 team Jimbo inherited from the 1985 season, he led them to a slight improvement of 4-12 in '86, and then led them to 7-8-0 in the strike shortened '87 season....BUT, 3 of those games that were played in 1987, were with replacement players off the street of all things. The Bills lost 2 of those 3 fake games. The one win ironically was over the SB defending "Lawrence Taylor" Giants (LT crossed the picket line and played just about every position on defense.) Now, that of course would have been a loss if the regular players were on the field that day, but the other two fake games were lost to two extremely beatable REAL teams of 1987, who just happened to field better fake players then Marv did for that pathetic month of football! Add that all up, and the Bills would have quite possibly finished 9-7-0 in 1987, and just may have even snuck into the playoffs in just Jimbo's second season at the helm! (3) He must throw more TD passes then Int's, every single year of his career as a legitimate starter. (4) He must always keep his completion percenatage at or over 60%. So to sum up for this coming 2010-11 season, our mystery starting QB needs to start 13 games, throw more TD's then ints', and finish the year with at least a 60% completion percentage, regardless of the Bills' record. If they even play a 2011-12 season, he will need to lead the Bills to at least an 8-8 record, on top of repeating those other elements from 2010, and then so on, and so on, and so on.

Leave it to the Buffalo Bills to have the only career back up QB on that list of those that passed the 26-27-60 test!