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winning and losing...without him they would have lost. That isn't in dispute is it? Are people on this board so accepting of losing that they don't see that that is why people play this game?

This is going to be a frigging bloodbath..I've looked at their roster and I don't see us even being able to slow down their "scrubs" Haloti Ngata and Ray Lewis against our O-line? hell...we might just want to forfeit.

forfeiting might not be a bad idea. One...there is no way to win against Ravens...two it won't even be entertaining...three...Fitzpatrick is liable to get killed. Four Flacco could set a record against our defense. Five by some unimaginable fluke we might win and our one and only hope for rebuilding...the first overall draft choice where we get a combination of John Elway, Fran Tarkenton, Sammy Baugh and Otto Graham will be flushed down the toilet. How about just skipping the game?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_ManningFrom wikipedia NFL career After his college career at U of M, Manning was drafted in the 1971 NFL Draft by the New Orleans Saints with the second overall selection. Manning played for the Saints for ten full seasons. He was usually one of the few marquee players on a dreadful team. During his tenure in New Orleans, the Saints had nine losing seasons, and only managed to get to .500 once (1979). Nevertheless, he was well respected by NFL peers; Sports Illustrated senior writer Paul Zimmerman recalls opposing defensive linemen, "Jack Youngblood in particular" taking it easy on the poorly protected Manning.[5][6] For his part Manning seemed to appreciate Youngblood's kindness, telling the Los Angeles Times, on September 23, 1974, "The Rams front four is the best I ever faced . . . I've got to say that Youngblood was nice enough to pick me up every time he knocked my (butt) off." Today, Manning jokes that Youngblood's career would not have been as successful without him, "I really should be his presenter. He wouldn’t have gotten in [to the Hall of Fame] without having me to sack."[7] In 1972 he led the league in pass attempts and completions, and led the National Football Conference in passing yards, though the team's record was only 2–11–1. In 1978, he was named the NFC Player Of The Year by UPI after leading the Saints to a 7–9 record. That same year, Archie was also named All-NFC by both the UPI and The Sporting News. Manning was selected to the Pro Bowl in 1978 and 1979. He went on to conclude his career with the Houston Oilers (1982-1983), and the Minnesota Vikings (1983–1984), where the teams posted a collective record of 6-35. He ended his 13-year career having completed 2,011 of 3,642 passes for 23,911 yards and 125 touchdowns, with 173 interceptions. He also rushed for 2,197 yards and 18 touchdowns. His 2,011 completions ranked 17th in NFL history upon his retirement. His record as a starter was 35–101–3 (26.3%), the worst in NFL history among QB's with at least 100 starts.[8] The team we have right now is comparable to those horrible NO teams.

"the most ready college qb prospect" and a franchise quarterback are not necessarily the same thing. In fact I would rate Christian Ponder as close to the best quarterback, and I suspect he will be available in round 2. There will be three or four huge talents identified by draft day, and one of them MIGHT be a qb. I say take the blue chip player if he is in a position of need. That MIGHT be a qb, but might be a DE, Nose Tackle, or OLB or even OT. The best talent (FRANCHISE player) at any of those positions should be where we go. If we don't see a FRANCHISE player...trade down..

Actually it was a tie 0-0 before Lynch scored. And he was instrumental on the drive. Without him...for sure they would have lost... what Buffalo fails to realize is this is the 2010 football season and people who buy tickets are wanting more than a lick and a promise. What makes us happy isn't yards per carry...or even sacks (those things Bruce Smith used to make). What makes us happy is WINNING. or even...TRYING TO WIN... I watched the Cleveland game. They lost with a lousy team and a rookie quarterback, but they were giving it their all right to the end. Gotta appreciate that...

I agree..if there is a john elway, peyton manning or better I say go for it. I'm not seeing such a quarterback in the mix so far.

hmmm..no looking back at Nix and Gailey blunders...no looking at the bad draft, at the failure to trade or be active in free agency or the trading block or even the freaking waiver wire...and I guess you might as well include not looking forward to the draft where we are earning the dubious first choice by getting rid of all but the marginally competent (to be generous) players.

his aggressive play and the touchdown helped. You see winning is that thing that happens when after the time has elapsed you have more points on the board than the other guy. Do you work for the Bills front office?

I have actually passed up chances to watch the bills play the last few weeks. If they aren't into it, I'm not pyssing away my sunday afternoons to watch them. I'm working out at the gym watching whatever games are on and doing yardwork and cleaning up stuff. If they Bills aren't into it..I'm not all that into it.

Win?

uhhhhh....Ryan Leaf?

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/25716/personnel-report-lynch-forsett-combine "Starter Marshawn Lynch did the dirty work on first and second downs, when the Chicago Bears often knew he would be coming their way. Justin Forsett made the flashier runs, most from three-receiver personnel. Lynch broke through three defenders on his way to a 1-yard touchdown run from a power personnel grouping with two backs and three tight ends. Forsett caught the Bears off-guard with a 9-yard touchdown run from a three-receiver package on third-and-goal, when a pass seemed likely. Both touchdown runs were impressive. The manner in which each man scored reflected how the Seahawks used them. That's why there's no use in comparing their yardage stats without also accounting for situations. Lynch was just as impressive and arguably more impressive than Forsett despite gaining 4.1 fewer yards per attempt. Together, they gave Seattle an effective ground game. " How obvious..how effectual...how beyond Chan's comprehension....

I wouldn't give a first and would be hesitant about a second. I'd go in hoping for a third with another player (assuming we have another player that Philadelphia might be interested in.)

Exactly...I'm a vietnam combat veteran and I expect I would be turned away if I wore shorts and a t-shirt and baseball cap to a restaurant. Come on guys..thanks for your service, but you don't get a free pass from the rules of the road. Geez...the pendulum has swung widely. I came back from Nam and vets were treated like shyt. Nowadays the presumption is that they are exempt from every rule on earth.

not Kolb, but maybe Vick. Makes sense to me. A "franchise" rookie quarterback would get killed or seriously concussed with this offensive line. If we could get a mobile qb we could concentrated on the defense and o-line in the draft and free agency and maybe begin to actually build a respectable football team.

Get rid of Kolb who is performing well and in whom they have invested so much? I don't think so. Vick is ready to start for someone...we have to make a decision whether we want to bid on him and move forward. He would buy us some time as we rebuild what used to be a defense and find a viable offensive line, at which point we can bring in our own franchise qb to replace him.

so was peerless price, jabari greer, Albert Haynesworth, John Henderson, Reggie White, Donte Stallworth, and a group of others far better than anyone lately occupying the Buffalo Bills roster.

NO NO NO NO....Look at Incognito for instance...he was not fit to be a bill because he actgually got upset when we lost. Marshawn Lynch was a beast. This is not Buffalo bill thinking..Michael Vick can't replace TE because he might upset the tree hugging dog loving vegans... fuhgeddaboudit....the Conrad Dobler days are over...this is a New Age team with a New Age mindset...

There are three choices to make with number one, and we need a franchise player on the defensive line a la Bruce Smith, a qb a la John Elway or Peyton Manning or an Offensive Lineman a la Orlando Pace or Bryant Mckinney. That's asking a LOT. I say measure them up when the season is over and if there isn't a franchise worthy candidate at any of those three positions...trade down. Assuming a mid-range first and two seconds we could walk away with an outstanding OLB, a very good qb prospect and a solid Defensive End.

I'm not at all surprised...after all he was a Tennessee Volunteer.

I like your fifth round pick. I felt really bad about not picking a tight end. OLB is a huge area of need. I could go with this selection as well. the two I am hoping the most for are Heyward and Ponder.

christian Ponder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCuu6UyO3B0

where are we bleeding the worst? Defensive line and run defense. Last years pick isn't any good or would certainly be playing. Ponder may be the best passer in the draft. He has at least as much a chance of being a franchise qb as anyone else in this draft. Heyward looks the most like a Bruce Smith type of player and Austin would be the great run stopper we need. I think Austin being suspended for the season would keep him from being selected in the late first or early second and he would be a bargain in the third. Love is a lick and a prayer but he would add a lot.

well...I think that is where he will fall especially with the suspension. We hve to remember that our second pick will be almost the same as a late first round, and the third like a late second. Incidentally Heyward is a defensive end...he is the son of Ironhead Heyward...good lineage!