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Okay...save this post. Art Shell and the Raiders at the end of next season versus Dick Jauron and the Bills at the end of next season. If I had to bet I'd put my money on Shell.

Henry averaged better than 4.0 yards per carry with Buffalo, and was named to a Pro Bowl. McGahee ain't done either yet. There is a bottom line here.

Ah that explains it. This is the bio from the AFL Hall of Fame website cited earlier Drafted in 1961 by the Buffalo Bills, Billy Shaw of Georgia Tech was the prototypical "pulling guard" who despite his size held his own against Hall of Fame defensive linemen like Ernie Ladd, Earl Faison and Buck Buchanan. With the Bills, won three straight Eastern Division titles and two American Football League championsips in 1964 and 1965. First-team All-American Football League selection five times (1962 through 1966) and second team All-AFL in 1968 and 1969. Played in eight American Football League All-Star games and was named to the All-Time American Football League Team. Made All-Decade pro football team of the 1960s. Shaw played his entire career in the American Football League, and is the only player ever inducted to the "pro football" hall of fame, without ever playing in the NFL. (Click here for Behr on Shaw) A member of the American Football League Hall of Fame

looking at the HOF website they say Shaw played until 1969. Since the merger took place in 1966 I guess Shaw must have played a couple of years in the NFL.

correctamundo...our own Billy Shaw...give that man a seegar!!!

Root, thirteenth amendment, emancipation proclamation, plessy, brown, "I have a dream"...there are minorities and those who were slaves. My grandmother remembers NINA signs in places of employment in Buffalo (NO Irish Need Apply). Not the same as slavery or Jim Crow or Plessy.

There is only one football player in the Hall of Fame in Canton who never played one down in the National Football League. Who is it?

Having the number one pick...and even if they have crying needs in the o-line...I think they have to pick Bush. He's one of those every few years great no-miss first round picks. I like the pick bush sign offensive line free agents, pick offensive linemen in the second third and fourth round strategy.

and look at their coaching records when they were fired. Take Herm Edwards vs. Dick Jauron for example... He arrives in Kansas City after a five-year stint as the head coach of the N.Y. Jets (2001-05). He concluded his tenure with the Jets with 39 regular season wins, the third-highest victory total in franchise history behind only Pro Football Hall of Fame inductee Weeb Ewbank (71) and Joe Walton (53). Edwards was on the sideline for five postseason contests with the Jets, the best total of any field general in Jets annals. He registered 35 victories as New York’s head coach from 2001-04, tying Walton (’83-86) for the most regular season wins by any coach in his initial four years with the franchise. In total, Edwards compiled a 39-41 regular season record in five seasons as the head coach of the Jets. Including a 2-3 postseason mark, he owns an overall 41-44 record as an NFL head coach. He was the first coach in Jets history to lead the franchise to the postseason on three different occasions, winning the AFC East title in 2002, while earning Wild Card berths with 10-6 marks in both 2001 and 2004. During the 2002 campaign, the Jets bounced back from a 2-5 start to finish the year at 9-7 and went on to register the first postseason shutout in franchise history with a 41-0 victory in the AFC Wild Card Game vs. Indianapolis (1/4/03). In 2004, Edwards guided New York to its first road playoff win since the ‘82 season with a dramatic 20-17 OT victory at San Diego (1/8/05).

occassionallly a (white) head coach....

The Bills would have been smart to offer it to him, and Sherman would have been smart to reject it. I think he is still potentially a head coach and he can sit out one year if necessary. If things don't work out the OC might be the only option left, but it sounds like a pretty good decision on his part.

I'm not sure Dick Jauron won't be the next Vince Lombardi. Their recent track records don't warrant confidence. I can't imagine you'd be hearing much about Herm Edwards or Tony Dungy or Marv Lewis or Lovey Smith if they had Mularkey's or Jauron's HC record. Exactly the kind of thing that resulted in the Rooney rule. The Rule has been remarkably successful.

rooney rule history

Cingrats to him and you! Reminds me of many happy years coaching and watching.

I don't see it as a "resembling black player" issue as much as a workplace discrimination issue. Stereotyping and failure to allow entry has resulted in racial discrimination. I hire my not qualified buddy (oh..the name Dick Jauron or Mike Mularkey at Miami come to mind) which uses up one opportunity for a qualified black coach. The Rooney rule does not REQUIRE, as far as I know, that the minority interviews be of black former NFL players. Lovie Smith (I think) got his start as a high school coach. I do not particularly believe that the discrimination applies only to black former NFL players, but to qualified black coaches who haven't the opportunity.

Tell me why I should watch people being lynched to gain a better understanding of why the leauge should provide more economic opportunities for millionaire retired black NFL players. Actually Cottrell, Rhodes, Lewis and others are not "millionare retired black NFL players" Many began as asst. coaches, some as high school coaches, and some as college coaches. The discrimination in the coaching ranks of the NFL can and does deny many the opportunities whites get. See how your assumption about blacks come to the fore? I don't mean that as an insult, just how whites often stereotype blacks and put them in categories. The "old boy" network is one that empathizes with likes, and is the kind of thing that gives Dick Jauron a coaching assignment despite a losing record while black coaches with better records on merit are left in the cold.

Schobel is good. Kelsay is average. Offensive line is terrible. Fix terrible first.

You would think they would have found some way to protect the guy by now. Carr was a blue chipper by any standards and I've not watched him enough to decide whether he was a bust (but I would find that hard to believe.) That being said extending him sounds good, but I'd make a huge commitment to get him some help. Actually if I were Carr I would want to hear that commitment from management before extending.

Wow...this is the most interesting thread I've read with a minimum of name calling about a difficult and strongly felt issue. It's too good for PPP.

Sure, black coaches are being appointed in the league at various levels, but it took a lot to get them appointed. And it was about race. Once they were given a chance they performed and kept the position on merit. Look at the Bills...the interviews and hiring were "old boy" and for the most part white. The Lofton and Cottrell interviews were tokens that served a purpose of getting the minority candidate a look. If it weren't for someone doing something (Cochran et. al.) nothing would have changed. Maybe there is a compelling need for affirmative action to ameliorate the players contingent from that long history of oppression we white males have suffered, but I kind of doubt it.

might be a plan. I hate the idea of giving up picks, even third round picks, in this draft but the Brick might be worth it.

Geez go to Neyland Stadium for the first U of Tennessee home game. You'll see about a hundred thousand people wearing bright orange shirts and khaki shorts. Perfectly normal. Wait a minute...University of Tennessee....hmmm...never mind.

On the other hand...it might be about race.

Okay..do me a favor. Go to the library..check out "Roots". Watch it. Slavery, lynching all that stuff. Go get the Burns documentary. Civil war, slavery, Emancipation Proclamation (tall ugly guy with a beard) Thirteenth amendment. Pull out American History II notes. Jim Crow..separate but equal Plessy v. Ferguson. Emmet Till, Voting Rights Act, Violet Liuzzo, freedom riders, Brown v. Board of Education. Segregated sports. Reflecting pool..."I have a dream"...Civil Rights Act, Duke v. Griggs Power. Having reviewed and reflected do you agree this may a be a LITTLE more complicated than the situation you posit?

The offensive line will be great with a Round 6 Offensive Tackle from Weber State. I love us taking Jason Allen from Tennessee, but not until we deal with the O-line.