OldTimer1960

I can't argue with your assessment, but I think it is a function of the overall situation of the game/season. I think Rob Johnson suffered from the same thing. They both desperately wanted to win and they both decided that they needed to take big chances to make plays to keep their under-talented teams in games. While I think that Fitz is a middling (at best) starting QB, I think that if he had two TEs like Gronkowski and Hernandez with Wes Welker too, he'd be more than adequate with a good defense. Football is a team game and Fitz is far from the weakest link on this team. Still, they could surely use a more talented QB than Fitz.

Because Fitz is not a good QB. No harm if he gets hurt. (Do not read that as I hope that Fitz gets hurt - I completely respect Fitz' effort, intelligence and leadership)

I would normally say "NO, do not throw away draft choices that are needed to upgrade the LB, OT, WR positions, but for Fitz to be a winning NFL QB, he needs a DOMINANT - once a decade D and a LOT of talent around him on O. I think the gamble to find a dynamic offensive weapon like RG 3 might be is worth it - DEPENDING on what it would take to move up to get him. I could get behind trading this year's 1 &2 and next year's 2. I wouldn't be worried about spending MUCH more, as Griffen is no sure thing. That being said, the Bills need to get to #2 ahead of Cleveland if they want to get RG3. I am pretty sure that would take a king's ransom for a not-sure-thing in Griffin.

Any QB that would have to "compete" with Fitz is not the answer. Fitz isn't remotely close to good enough. The Bills either need someone who is MUCH better than Fitz or they need a truly dominant D - and it is abundantly clear that the Bills are about 9 starting players away from having a decent defense.

This game is the college varsity vs a bad H.S. JV team. Who on earth are the WRs the Bills have trotted out? Scott Chandler has been a huge upgrade at TE over what the Bills have, but he'd be at best 3rd string on the Pats. The Pats' second TE has more than 2x the number of catches that Chandler has.

I don't think Sheppard is that small. At NFL.com, he is listed at 6'2" 248. He is likely to be able to add a bit more strength with an NFL-offseason training program.

God, they are just AWFUL.

Fitz has to go. He has completely come apart.

Now let's try to run the damn ball with Spiller.

No, we saw that on Denver's first drive and are about to see it again. That's what we are missing.

One drive and the game is already about to be completely out of reach. Our defense is SO HORRIBLE and the offense is very weak. The team has no fight and little talent. They don't even come close to stopping anyone.

I don't for a second believe that Fitz is mailing it in because he got paid. The guy is smart and a strong competitor. His struggles are (IMHO) a combination of the following: 1. OL troubles due to injuries - the OL has actually held up better than I would have expected for losing their best player and leader in Wood, and losing both their 1st AND second string LTs. I don't know if you can over-emphasize how much Wood getting hurt has hindered this offense. Besides the drop-off in talent, they now have an OG trying to play C and who is making the OL calls now? 2. Stevie Johnson is injured and is a marginal #1/good #2 WR when healthy. David Nelson is a nice #3WR. There is no dominant #1 WR - or if you count Johnson as that, then there is no good #2 WR. 3. Scott Campbell was WAY better than the weak excuses for NFL players that the Bills have trotted out at TE in the past several years, but he is hurt and even when healthy is still a bottom-half (maybe bottom third) of the league starting TE. There is absolutely NO depth at TE, on top of that. 4. Fitzpatrick is smart and tough, but is very marginally (physically) talented to be a starting QB. He MUST excel with his intellect and leadership and be surrounded by some MUCH better receiving talent and a better OL and running game. IF the Bills insist on staying with Fitz next year, they need to find some MUCH better receiving options and get some OL depth. They need to make better use of Spiller and keep using Fred Jackson. UNFORTUNATELY, they HAVE to find at least 2 pass rushers, too.

I wouldn't bet against Cleveland taking a QB. McCoy hasn't been very good this year. TB could also consider one as Josh Freeman has been pretty bad, too.

Well, all that they need this offseason to be competitive next year is: 1. starting caliber QB 2. pass rusher 3. pass rusher 4. #1 WR 5. good TE 6. outside LB 7. outside LB 8. NFL caliber defensive coordinator 9. haven't even talked about the OL... Now, that should be very doable - UGH

I am pretty sure that Fitzpatrick is now worse than Trent ever was. It is so bad, I wish we had JP Losman back.

Cut F*ing Fitzpatrick right NOW! He is ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE!

This is maybe the worst team in the history of the Bills franchise. Fitzpatrick appears to be a complete disaster, but it is hard to tell when there is only Stevie Johnson (a decent #2) and David Nelson (an OK #3). No TE, no #1 WR, refuse to use the RBs as receivers. Never give the ball back to Spiller - he is doing too well.

PLEASE, fire George Edwards in the post-game press conference.

Yes, he has lost those remaining on the team. I think there is a LITTLE talent left on the team, but they have QUIT because the coaching staff is SO abysmal. The entire coaching staff needs to go, now. 4 or 5 weeks ago, I'd have argued that Gailey was infusing some toughness into this team and that he could stay if he fired Edwards, but it is clear that he WON"T do that and the players have mailed it in because they don't believe in the coaching staff and they can't figure it out on their own.

I concur. I know that I posted that they will be good when they are in LA or Toronto. That doesn't mean that I WANT them to move. God, I remember when the Braves moved to SD (and then to LA). I still haven't gotten over that. HOWEVER, how can an organization which has produced a PUTRID product for >10 years, expect to sell their product? In most any other industry, a company as HORRIBLE as the Bills would be out of business. But because of revenue sharing, they are not only still in business, but they have made a profit. I SINCERELY hope that they stay in Buffalo long-term and find some miraculous way to right the ship, but this is INCREDIBLY frustrating to watch. THEY ARE NOT EVEN REMOTELY COMPETITIVE.

It will take this team being in Los Angeles or Toronto with a new owner. I don't think that Ralph Wilson WANTs to lose, but the entire organization is a joke. They can't identify good young players and coach them into good NFL players. The coaching staff must be held accountable, but so must the front office who has missed on several high picks. This franchise is in complete limbo, but there is no happy ending coming. Ralph Wilson will eventually pass away and the team will end up in LA or Toronto. THEN, they will become good, just to rub salt into the considerable wounds.

This team is an COMPLETE embarrassment. They have no chance at the time that they get off the bus. They would not even make a Bowl Game in college, unless maybe they were in the Big East and could win that conference. HOW on earth could they complain if they don't sell tickets?

OMFG, do you remember when the Bills were the team with the special team's advantage? No need to keep Bobby April, right! This is an absolute abomination. The entire front office and coaching staff should be dumped after yet another uncompetitive game. For God's sake, just be at least IN the game once in a while....

Fitz is not the whole problem. An offense needs to be allowed a drive or two to figure out what the opponent's D is doing. Fitz NEVER has that luxury. The D is ABYSMAL and never steps up. One or two "learning" drives by the offense to start a game and they are in an insurmountable whole behind by 2 TDs. I am normally a BIG apologist for this organization, but this is truly pathetic. They have invested heavily on D in the last 2 drafts and have nothing to show for it. I am blaming George Edwards because I CAN"T believe that the draft choices spent on D have been that BAD. He IS NOT helping these players succeed. Every week that he presides over this cluster F*ck, the talent that has been drafted for the D in the past two years loses heart.

Please tell me how the Bills still have George Edwards on their staff. The offense is weak, but most offenses have a drive or two in the first half to figure out what the opponents D, but the Bills are behind every week by 10-14 points after the opponents first two drives. I know that the Bills' D has had injuries, but they are an absolute embarrassment with their only hope being that the opponent's offense misfires. There is no pass rush and, lately, the run defense has been attrocious, too. George Edwards has failed to get even a little bit out of the talent that he has. I am not saying that they have enough talent on D, but they certainly have enough talent to be reasonably competitive and they aren't showing that. If Chan doesn't fire Edwards after this debacle, then the entire staff including Chan needs to go at year's end.