OldTimer1960

I think that not having a 3rd might push them to go D in 1st and leave wr to 60. Not what we all might want, but if they still need a potential starter at DE (in case Von can’t return to some form), they won’t find that at 60 whereas they might still find someone who could step in and provide what Davis did at 60.

And Beebe weighed a lot more than 165.

Yes, that’s possible. I think if they go back about 10 spots and add in one of their late 4ths, they might get into the back end of the 3rd.

The 2 picks the Bills now have in the 4th PLUS the 3 5th rounders combined might get them a mid to late 3rd. And they really can’t afford to trade 5 picks for that 3rd. I think they will look to trade back out of the first - maybe 10 plus spots to try to work a deal (throwing in a 4th or 5th) to get a 3rd rounder.

Their QB is playing for $300 and a room in the back corner.

You could be right, but I hope not. I understand that free agency has yet to play out and they might find a few stop-gap vets to fill defensive holes, but they likely will need to count on some rookies on that side of the ball and I’d rather it not be late 4th and 5th round guys having to play. This defense could be pretty bad next year.

If they do (unless it’s a trade of a player), I still would not trade up. They are going to need their 2nd and 3rd to play a fair bit on defense this year.

I’m ok with a move down, but it won’t recoup a 3rd unless they move down quite a ways.

Well, you are right that they could. I don’t think that would be smart business. With the state of the defense, they will probably be picking earlier in each round next year. I would not trade that away.

With today’s news about receiving a comp pick at the end of round 4 instead of the expected round 3, we can expect no trade up in the first. They can’t afford to trade up in first then address the gaping holes on defense at 60 and the sit until end of 4th to get another defender. Forget “double dipping” at WR early, as well.

Scratch trading up in the first.

I would not trade next year’s 1. This could be a step-back season with all of the losses on D. I would not want to be sitting here a year from now having traded a mid 1st round pick for an extra 2nd this year.

He has lots of revenue from NFL - NHL not so much.

Add Mitchell has better hands. Add Mitchell has better hands. Add Mitchell has better hands.

Regardless of whether Bills met with him or not, I really enjoyed watching 3 games of Ladd McConkey (Alabama, Auburn, Oregon (22)). His footwork is amazing. I know he isn’t an X and the Bills need a big X, but what the Bills really need are good offensive weapons and to my eyes he is a good one. I’m not saying they should take him, but I would sure understand if they do and then look for another guy to play Davis’ role in a low-end FA or later (maybe Javon Baker if he is around near the 4th). I would not count on Justin Shorter, but I would not discount him getting some play time at X.

Michigan had 18 players at the Combine. I would not let “visit points” all be attributed to Jenkins and Wilson there. I’m not saying that the Bills aren’t interested in either, but it isn’t surprising that more Bills scouting was done for Michigan than other schools with fewer prospects.

I know it’s fun to think about, but I would be incredibly shocked if the Bills took WR in both the 1st and 2nd round with the defense in the shape that it is in currently. They could not field a DL or S group today and they can’t count on Tre White returning to form at CB. I’m more concerned about how clumsy he (Franklin) looked running pass routes. If I recall correctly, he tripped twice running against air - and those weren’t cases where his feet slid out from under him. He has long legs and they seemed awkward trying to make sharp cuts.

When I watched Brendan Rice, he never seemed to stop running no matter how long the QB held the ball. I’m guessing that you might possibly be able to get him at 99.

Not my intent to argue that Mitchell is who they should draft - or not draft. I was only offering one possible explanation - that is too many mouths to feed. I agree that Mitchell’s numbers were underwhelming given the measurables he flashed at the combine. Something seems maybe a little off.

Mitchell always played on stacked offenses where they had multiple high-end talents to “feed”. Just at Texas, they also had RB Brooks - one of the better backs in this draft, Worthy- likely 1st round WR and TE Sanders who might be a 2nd pick, too.

McConkey & Rice later (could Rice make it to round 3?) might be an option, but I think they will need to go D after getting a WR in 1st.

I watched Franklin doing the receiver drills and I believe he fell down twice against “air” (and it wasn’t just his feet slipping on the turf). Certainly not a disqualification, but a bit concerning for a position that requires a lot of coordination.

I am not arguing with you. I was simply saying that they could, if desired, still have a significant interview with any of the prospects before the draft.

They might not have liked him enough to meet again or maybe they will have him in for a visit before the draft.

Doesn’t breakout age sometimes have a lot to do with who is in front of a player at their college? Imagine trying to get on the field and make an impact as a receiver at Ohio State, Georgia, LSU last season, Texas… Some of those teams had better receiving groups than NFL teams.