OldTimer1960

The thing is, guys like Epenesa are pretty good late 2nd round picks. There is, of course, a big difference between early 2nd and late 2nd. Look at the players projected to be available at 60 this year and compare that to what will likely be available early 2nd. It is a very big difference. Given this team is undergoing a mini rebuild and picking late in each round, I think they are best off taking best player available at high value positions. They have to find contributors. I know they have to find a WR, but after that, they can easily justify best player available at DE, DT, CB, S. By the time they are into their picks in the late 4th and later, any position is in play (in my opinion) - just find the best players that are there. I don’t think that is a slight chance. I think 8-8 this year is probably about what to expect, but a key injury to Allen, Oliver, or maybe someone else and it could be worse. What does the season look like if Von Miller doesn’t play any better than last year? It could get pretty ugly.

It bothers me every time I hear about the large number of picks the Bills have. Their actual draft capital is middling this year. They currently have 11 picks, but only 2 in the top 125. Sure, it’s nice to hav an abundance of 4th, 5th and 6th rounders - they’ve done reasonably well late, but realistically if they get 1 or 2 guys that contribute as a starter or key backup out of those picks they would be doing quite well. Regarding a big trade up, I’m not saying that Harrison, Nabers, Odunze aren’t very good, but realize that LSU had a top 3 QB in Jayden Daniels, Malik Nabers AND Brian Thomas Jr. and they were very good, but did not make the 4 team championship playoffs.

Other head scratchers if picked in the first (of course, just my $.02): - Troy Franklin (size and hands questions and shaky combine) - Darius Robinson (can play both DT and DE, but first round?) - Any safety (unless you count Cooper Dejean as a S) -Braden Fiske (arm length) - Xavier Worthy (size & hands)

They aren’t running it back, they are doing a mini-rebuild. Give them 2 off-seasons to get younger.

I do worry about McConkey’s smaller size and history of being nicked up. I just love watching his precision route running and after the catch he is a lot more elusive than I think he gets credit for. I agree he probably will never be “wr1”, but I think he can be really good.

I don’t think 28 & 2025 2nd and 128 gets you up higher than pick 20. Maybe high enough to get Thomas, but probably not enough to get Odunze. I don’t think 28 & 2025 2nd and 128 gets you up higher than pick 20. Maybe high enough to get Thomas, but probably not enough to get Odunze.

I am not saying that they shouldn’t draft Thomas and let him develop and yes I think he would probably be a starter right away and a strong deep threat from the start. I would be very happy to get Thomas as long as it doesn’t cost too much in picks to get him.

I acknowledge that if the right guy is available, then go up. I would go up for one of Legette, McConkey or Worthy. Is there anyone else you would trade that much for?

Thomas’ physical tools are tremendous and you can see he has a lot of upside, but right now he isn’t a finished product. Bama admittedly has great corners, but they basically erased Thomas in that game. He is an outstanding prospect, but I don’t think he would step into lead dog role right away, maybe not even this season.

But it isn’t just 1 pick, that’s 2 2nd round picks on 1 WR and you only get 3rd round value for the 2025 pick. If the right guy could be had, I guess OK. Those 2 picks will get you to about pick 45. If Legette or McConkey or maybe Worthy are there, I’d consider it, but not for anyone else that comes to mind. They could trade down from 28 and still get a good WR prospect as well.

What are you suggesting? Do you think they should draft Coleman? If they are taking just 1 WR early, I would be disappointed if it is him.

I have no problem with picks being made with an eye towards 2025. I know that the team will try to compete in 2024 while doing a roster reset, but I think it will be a bit of a down year. Now they are set up with first and 2 2nds next year to address any remaining holes that they can’t fill this year.

Agree, what I’ve seen of him showed outstanding quickness and he seems quite willing to play the run for his size. He could be a nice get that late (60).

Do you think Lassiter is fast enough to play outside corner or is he mainly a nickel/slot? Didn’t he run > 4.6 at his pro day?

Kinchens was last among Safeties at the combine with a 4.65 40 and last with a 35” vertical. In comparison DE Chop Robinson ran 4.49. That doesn’t necessarily mean Kinchens can’t play, but it is a pretty big concern.

I do tend to be more pessimistic than many fans, but just take the pass rush. It wasn’t great last year and their top sack producer is gone. Miller was a shell of his former self - if he improves 50% from that, it still wouldn’t be good. I like Epenesa and the guy that they signed from Washington should be pretty good backups, but where is pressure and sacks coming from? At best, it’s unproven. i also hope that Elam comes around and can become a good starter, but the past two years suggest that isn’t likely. Who is the backup to Oliver? Maybe that will come in the draft, but not if they use a bunch of picks to move up for wr. I guess my point is that there are a lot of questions on the roster, especially on D. Now, I am not complaining about that- I think the reset needed to be done, but patience will be needed and I would keep those questions in mind before trading a bunch of picks to move up for WR because they likely need them to address other needs. I don’t think that 1 WR in this draft makes this a Super Bowl contender instantly.

I think this is a pretty optimistic view. I think we really need a stater-capable player at DE in the likely event that Von Miller never regains decent starter form. I was happy that they signed Epenesa, but I don’t think he is a good starting level player, though he could prove me wrong. A young CB to replace 30 year old Rasul Douglas in a year is also needed as is a decent backup to Oliver at 3T. I hope I am wrong, but both S are questionable starters and there is no depth there at all. i think these are real needs that will show up during the season. It will take 2 off-seasons to address those needs, in my opinion.

Is there a medical issue with Mitchell? I thought that I heard them allude to one on SiriusXM, but I didn’t hear what the issue might be. I can’t find anything about one on the net. Anyone hear about a medical on Mitchell?

And I think that production would be fine if it comes to fruition. They now need at least 1 starting WR, maybe 2, but for sure an X boundary guy, but I don't think Shakir will be carrying the offense - he is a complementary piece.

That’s way too much for me. The Bills are in a rebuild that will take 2 off-seasons to complete. Giving up all of those picks for 1 player will delay that rebuild further and certainly doesn’t make this team a championship contender this year.

It’s the price to get that seems prohibitive. I can’t name one WR in the league already that I would trade 2 1st round picks plus more to get - it’s not like MHJ would be the final piece of the puzzle here. There are a lot of holes in this roster that need filling in the next 2 drafts.

Especially since we only have two picks before day 3. Neither should be a RB.

I think this team is much further away from championship contender than 1 WR. The Chargers are not that different than Bills roster wise right now. If they get one of the top 3 WR do they instantly vault into SB contention? It is going to take a good draft this year and next year to replenish the team with young talent. I’m for moving around the draft with modest trades to get guys they really like, but I’m not keen on giving up next year’s picks at a discount for one player. Just my view- does not mean that I am right.

I think 2025 3rd would be discounted to value of a 4th this year.

Curtis Samuel ran 4.31 at the combine, so they do have some top end speed. I can’t get past 165lbs for Worthy - just too small for the first for me.