OldTimer1960

I understand what you’re saying, but I think I’d be satisfied with a 10 year starter who makes a few Pro Bowls. The argument that Emmanwori is more likely to be even better seems to be based purely on size-speed. We know that every year there are size speed guys who never do great things. I know it’s a philosophical discussion, but to my untrained eye, Starks is the better prospect. I also don’t think the Bills will pick either of them.

From Ourlad’s scouting service: “Red flag medicals are likely to bump down defensive tackles Deone Walker and Derrick Harmon along with offensive lineman Donovan Jackson and edge defender Nic Scourton, among others. “ They also think Kenneth Grant will go in the top 15.

Pure BPA is subjective to begin with. How do compare different positions? Is this OG better than that CB?

There is likely not going to be “elite” talent at 30 let alone later.

I think you’re spot on. I get the feeling that they are a little down on Williams. I like what I see when he plays, but some say he isn’t good in pass coverage.

Very interesting - nice analysis.

I have seen him listed as high as 242lbs recently. I know he had a good half season, after they move Oledejo to DE, but he hardly played before that. Seems a small sample size to spend a 1st round pick on. I think this is more smoke - they are planning to play Milano and Bernard and I don’t think they will take a LB in the first to be the plan for 2026. Late 2nd? Maybe, but even that feels to rich for a guy to stash for a season.

While the story is nice, I don't think that it will have any bearing at all on whether the Bills trade out of the first. If they do trade down, they will still let this young man announce the pick.

No knock on the picks, but if they get to 62 and don't like the CBs, I think they have to either trade back to a spot where they are comfortable with a CB or just reach about 1/2 round for one. Every year, round 2 seems to produce some CB picks that seem to be pretty good sized reaches based on speed/athletic upside. I don't think they can contemplate having a multi-time seriously injured Tre White and Dane Jackson as their plan for CB2 for the full year. I do think White and Jackson give them room to wait for an injured Revel Jr or Morrison or an inexperienced Darien Porter to get up to speed by mid-late season. I'm not knocking who you picked, but I can't see going into day 3 without a CB having been selected.

I’m not intending to dump on Palmer, but on paper I think the Bills’ WR are bottom 1/3 of the league at best. Palmer has proven to be a good backup WR, but never became a consistent starter even on a Chargers team with little at the WR position. Keon Coleman showed some ability last year before his injury, but was basically a zero after returning and we know he wasn’t good at getting open to begin with. Will he become a better route runner and tougher at the catch point? I hope so, but who know what they will get from him. I agree on Curtis Samuel - I think they will get a lot more from him this year if he stays healthy. My opinion, fwiw, is that they need legitimate talent at WR but I don’t see much of that available in this draft class and the needs at DT, CB and even DE are more important (and probably line up better with this draft class) than WR.

I agree that a strong presence in the interior DL would help. If they can get a good solid starter in round 1 at DT that is a win. I am not anti-Williams, but I don’t think teams view him as even a fringe 1st rounder (of course I could be wrong). In the end, the team will have done its homework on these prospects and they will know things that the draft pundits and we don’t have access to - like injury situation, coachability, work ethic, has the player been in trouble, does their body have room for additional muscle, etc. if they pick someone who appears to be a reach, they will have done so with more information than we have.

I like Tyleik Williams, but I think 30 is too high unless the board is completely wiped out - like all the corners Hairston,, Amos, maybe Revel), all the DTs: Harmon, Nolan, Grant, and the DEs including Scourton are gone and finally Golden is gone at WR. I think Starks would have to be gone, too before I took Williams. I think of Williams as (at best) 4 years-ago Daquan Jones - he will help against the run and hopefully keep the LBs clean. With some luck maybe he helps free up Oliver in pass rushes, but I think Williams would be replaced in obvious passing situations. They could surely do worse than Williams and he would help the defense, but I think his ceiling is good starter and run stopper. Of course, that’s just my opinion based on watching a few of his games (and I am no trained scout).

I don’t think White solves the starting CB problem. I think ideally he and Jackson can hold down CB2 until a rookie can get ready. His signing might give them the latitude to draft a Revel or Morrison coming off injury and hope that they can be ready by mid-season or maybe they could take Porter and his 8 college starts and have the time to bring him up to speed. I don’t think White is who they want starting for a full season based on his last several years.

Why do you think someone would trade roughly the equivalent of a 3rd for a RB who is looking for a big payday in a really strong draft for RBs?

I don’t think the trade market would be strong at all for Cook. I’d be surprised if you could get a 4th for a guy who is good, but is looking for $15M as a non-full time RB in a year where the RB class in the draft is very good.

I do like Scourton and the corners you identified. I just don’t see a path to a CB in round 2 if they don’t take one at 30 (or with small trade down). I know it’s TV and they need to say something, but I heard Mark Ross say that he thinks JT Tuimoloau could sneak into the end of round 1. I kind of like JTT, but late first/early second seems too high to me.

Scourton is a little stiff, but I think he moves pretty well and I saw him be able to breakdown and make some tough open field tackles. He has reportedly shed a considerable amount of weight and I’ve heard that is pro day performance was quite good, though I don’t know the numbers.

If he (Johnson) is available at 30, do you think the Bills should pull the trigger? CB is obviously a position where speed and quick change of direction ability matter, but he did play very well in a top conference.

I don’t think it lessens the urgency for a young CB, but White’s resigning might give them enough confidence to take Shavon Revel or Benjamin Morrison knowing that they might not be healthy right away.

I won’t be too surprised if they he Bills reach a bit for him in round 2 if all the top CBs are gone (like in our Mock 2.0). I’m not saying that they should do that, but it seems like a possibility given their desperation for a corner.

I don’t agree. I know some see him as having rush upside, I see him (maybe I am wrong) as a try-hard power rusher with arms that are quite short. I’d compare him some to Chris Kelsay - a player who I thought was unfairly maligned here. He was good, just not great.

I don’t mind that - would perhaps put them in range for a CB like Alexander and gain an earlier 4th. So, Bills would move back 13 from 62, move back 4 from 109 and get pick 100?

Agreed, but as you I suggested it’s insane to take 3DTs with the first 3 picks. I would have preferred Sanders over Collins at 56 given they had already taken Grant, but we can’t change that now. Given what’s left, i think trade down and try to find a corner instead of forcing a pick here.

I heard that CB Will Johnson declined to run at his personal pro day. Heard that on Pat Kirwin’s radio show on NFL Network. Kirwin said that Johnson’s shuttle time was LB-like. Kirwin said he still likes him a lot. If he slides to 30 off no 40 time and poor shuttle times, should Bills’ consider him? Remember- it’s CB so athletic ability counts a lot. You have to think that maybe his 40 would be high 4.5s or worse for him to not run.

Voted Collins, but I probably would not take either him or Harris in these circumstances. I like Collins, but he seems redundant with Grant (selected round 1). With regards to Harris, just not sure I think he helps this team that much - rather have what I think would be a better player at another position- even if not a clear need at the moment.