CountDorkula

This visor looks pretty clear to me..... If i can see his eyes, i think someone standing next to him in the huddle can....

False, people will still fight and start crap. It will be like St. Pattys day. get drunk pee on everything and insult someones girlfriend because they ignored you. Drunk boyfriend = Fight. (I kid, a bit) But really since I have moved from Buffalo, and work throughout the country, this is not that uncommon of a theme. I have talked to a lot of people who say the same, or have a similar story about a drunk Buffalo fan(s). Add - Though I am sure all fan bases have these type of idiots.

I would change the visor he wears on the sidelines. C'mon bro. Everyone knows visors are so 1990's.

You may want to re-read my quote for results... I literally have no words for this. Literally none. P.S. Foster has more TD's then JAckson - better Finisher. P.S.S Foster has less fumbles. - Better Ball security. But again who needs facts...

Fantasy Football stats, really? In real football he was 16th in Rushing yards, 19th in yards per carry, Longest run was 19th best, had 1 run of 20+ yards (Not even top 50), 6th in tds, 22nd in yards per game. Possibly so. He is only 27. If he is injury prone this year, then yes agreed. Fred is also on the decline, and has a year or 2 at best left of good football.

MJD has done more. He has over 10,000 all purpose yards and 80 touchdowns. Foster absolutely. HE has 6,800 yards and 52 touchdowns in 2 less years Compared to FJ: 7,800 all purpose yards and 34 touchdowns. People remember Foster of last year. The oft injured IR Foster.

No, just no. Fred is not top 5 or even top 10. in terms of talent. 1 - Peterson 2 - McCoy 3 - Charles 4 - Forte 5 - Foster 6 - Lynch 7 - MJD 8 - Lacy 9 - Spiller 10 - Murray 11 - Morris Not an exact order, but I can keep going. Fred is a hell of a back for this team. But I think you are mistaken if you think teams would take Jackson over those guys.

There is no way this is true. No offense, but that is a bit homerish to put Jackson in the top 5. Off the top of my head. Peterson, McCoy, Charles, Foster, Lynch, Forte, Murray, Spiller, Morris are all better than FJ.

Apparently that is "Madden GM" thinking, or so I was told. I wonder if the guy who said that to me actually knows what that means because in the context it literally makes zero sense. In fact it is the exact opposite. But I digress. Spiller and Bryce brown in the backfield. With a 3wr set (I Dont give a flying F which 3 WR it is) should open up space for Brown and Cj to get the ball and make plays.

Sigh. You are just like the rest of them. Negative criticism, no counter argument, unfunny joke. God forbid I try to have a conversation on this board and have an opposing view. What is ridiculous about being concerned a 33 year old RB has lost a step and will not be as productive as two young RB's who have shown flashes of being very good/great. So do we also close the case on Fred having 4 attempts and getting a half a yard up the middle?

This is my main concern, just or not. But no one ever sees this coming. It just happens and the drop off is severe. Fred is older then everyone of these backs listed below: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WattRi00.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaviTe00.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/ThomTh00.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TomlLa00.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FaulMa00.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JameEd00.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HolmPr00.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnLa00.htm Again just or not it is a serious concern and I am sticking by it. If Fred proves me wrong, great. It is just another added dimension to an offense that is loaded with weapons.

Again you are putting words in my mouth. Let me try and spell this out for you. Spiller and Brown are split on each side of EJ out of the shotgun formation. Goodwin and Williams are on the sides. Both run a go route. Now the Safeties have to drop back because if they don't you will have one on one coverage which favors Goodwins speed and Williams size. Watkins can run a 15-20 yard in over the middle which should presumably be in open space because both safetys had to drop back to cover the go routes. If the defense drops everyone into coverage Manuel can flip the ball to CJ or Brown Whomever is on the weakside. Those 2 should be able to out run any of the lineman/LB's. In this situation Goodwin is better suited for that route than Woods. Which is not even the topic. It spreads the defense out allowing more room for the playmakers.

I find it embarrassing that some are actually proud of this. Like many have mentioned I have seen a lot of posts on facebook from people in their early to mid 20's saying damn right this is how we roll. I would rather be known for the guy that was able to give ya some good nature jabs about your QB wearing a skirt then I would the guy that pissed himself, called you some derogatory names and tried to fight you. That's just me though.

I will say this. I am 27 and just moved out of Buffalo, and for someone my age. There is just not much there. Between property taxes which seem to be ever increasing, the corrupt local govt and lack of career opportunities, its no wonder why so many "Young kids" leave. I always thought I would be a Buffalonian for my life. But to be honest making this move has been very eye opening. its a shame NY is known for its great education but cannot take advantage of keeping things "in house" afterwards. Property taxes for example. I was looking at comparables and over the course of a 30 year mortgage. I would be paying $105,000 less in property taxes compared to NYS. And that's not even on an extravagant home either. Basically a second mortgage. Not to mention the price of gas and sales tax. Yes the drinking may be cheap but its not as cheap as others make it out to be. Like someone also mentioned the weather also plays a major role. Hopefully WNY can re-gain some strength.

I f you can find where I said "Goodwin is better than Woods" please show me. i said on the field at that time. How is speaking on "hypothetical" garbage. when it was proven last year that Goodwin can run right by people for a touchdown? It happened on several occasions. Is it not possible that Goodwin, Willaims and Watkins are on the field and Woods is not? But continue to call me stoopid, it looks really good on ya. Cheers.

I never once said that, so please do not think that. Woods may be better, but in a situation like that the player covered by a slower DB/LB should be able to get separation, causing a mismatch. Or the smaller DB will go up against Williams creating a height advantage. That is not a knock on Woods at all. THE WR on this team are set up to be interchangeable in packages. Talent wise I would say Brown and Spiller are the "Best" Of course production wise FJ has outperformed Brown. and is "better"

Homerun threat is important for this. If a guys breaks into open field as does not have that breakaway speed he will get caught which again I repeat I cannot say how many times i heard "If only Fred were a little faster". The offense then runs 3 more plays and has to punt. The homerun threat guy breaks that gain into a touchdown. The outcome of a game can change on one play. Do you see the point I am getting at? Regardless of Fred,CJ, Bryce. As you age you slow down. your body does not heal as fast. Not too mention the punishment these guys take. it takes a tole on the body. Playing through injury becomes harder because you become less effective. If it happens to the best backs why not to Fred? Speed is not just important to me, its important in the NFL. One thing that cannot be beat is speed. It may be cliche but Speed kills. You cant tackle what you cant catch. Football IQ is very important, but so is ability and effectiveness. Fred may have the highest football IQ, but if physically cannot do what is required, that IQ is no good and is only a teaching tool. Perfect example of this is Ryan Fitzpatrick. High IQ, mediocre talent. Let me state this is not a negative thread towards Freddy, more as a positive that the Bills have fantastic RB depth.

I thought I did but ok... And As you stated my Opinion is that CJ and Brown are better suited to be a 1-2 punch for this team. Freddy does not have the speed to run sideways, off tackles. pitches etc. so guard against up the gut when FJ is in the game. Yes he has great BCV, and instincts but speed kills. CJ and Brown have that speed. 40 time or not Fred is going to slow down even more than he is, it is just going to happen. My opinion. Once he loses that additional step he is going to be much easier to tackle. Fred will play through an injury but his effectiveness is going to decrease. A backfield of Brown and Spiller with Watkins, Goodwin and Williams split is a whole hell of a lot of speed to handle. There is going to be a mismatch somewhere.

I cant tell you how many times I heard the phrase "If only Freddy were a little faster" Like you mentioned Brown seems to have a bit of everything.

Care to elaborate?

Yes because that is the exact same thing. This is why this board is intolerable at times. Instead of just offering a counter opinion people such as yourself have to go to the extreme. I love how you belittle my fact of 20 and 40 + yd runs and say its not the way you measure a back. yet you give first downs and touchdowns as an example. Which can be skewed statistics. Perhaps we should go YPC where CJ still bests FJ.

I think this is my main concern is when does that happen? Because normally it is just out of nowhere from one year to the next the productivity just drops. I see that 33 number next to his age and I get concerned (Rightfully or wrongfully I don't know) History has shown me RBs around his age fall off the proverbial cliff.

You do remember FJ getting 0 yds on 4 attempts and not scoring a touchdown on the 1 yard line? I can knit pick stats too. What does not lie is CJ had outperformed Fred on every level for the last 2 years. Stats back that up. When Fred leads the league in 20+ and 40+ yd runs the way CJ does, your point will hold a little more water. Watch some highlights of Brown in Philly. He was great. He was just behind arguably the best back in the NFL in McCoy. Also one person agreed/ one person disagreed. SO i decided to start a thread dedicated to it to see the fans take. You took the time to type out a response to this thread when you could have ignored it.

This is inaccurate. CJ leads the league in 20+ and 40+ yard carries over the last 2 years. I could see if every time he ran up the middle he lost yards you could say that. Is it his strong suit, no. But he can and has shown the ability to do so. I never said it was. I was talking carries touches per game. CJ and Brown should get the majority while Dixon gets most of the short yardage work. The Best players should be on the field, and I feel given each players abilities Fred lacks in some areas. This is NOT a knock on Freddy, I just think the Bills have great depth at RB and are set up for the future nicely.

This may not sit well with some/most but I am completely ok with that. I am in the belief that Fred Jackson should be moved down the depth chart. Possibly all the way down. CJ Spiller is undoubtedly this teams first string running back, IMO. Last year was a down year (Allegedly) (1st in NFL in 40+ yd runs) (2nd in NFL in 20+ yd runs) The backup role should go to Bryce Brown. He has the speed that Fred lacks and can also be considered a home run threat. He has been clocked sub 4.4 in the 40 yd dash. Speed cannot be taught in the NFL and with Freds age, that is going to be the first thing to go, and has also never been Freds Strong suit. Third string is where some will question me and (Most likely) call me an idiot. Boobie Dixon should be the short yardage back. His size and strength can be unstoppable at times. Lining Dixon and Summers in the backfield in goal line/short yardage situations is 500Lbs of downhill force. I firmly believe that if Dixon is in the game during those 4 rushing attempts he gets in the end zone. and the Bills first string offense walks away with a touchdown. With all that said Jackson is without question, a leader in the locker room on this team. And with that said I will take talent over leadership on the field. Freds age will catch up with him, and sooner rather than later. My Rb depth chart currently looks as follows: 1- Spiller 2 - Brown 3 - Dixon 4 - Jackson Puts on hard hat and pads and waits for attack.