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and Daquan and Morse and Martin… diggs turning 30 where I think it’s not terrible is I don’t care much about Martin being old and depth guys like quess, mancz, and Barkley likely don’t even make the 53 and I’m guessing a lot of teams aren’t carrying 33 year old OL12, OL13, RB4 and QB3 at the moment they also have a 35 year old kicker, like 40 year old punter, a mid 30s OT… their star playmakers (outside Rodgers) are young but they have a lot of aging role players.

it’s all about composition of the number. a full year across 80 guys could be all your starters on average 4 years older, and depth about the same age for instance. Or like 8-10 starters that are 8-10 years older. or it could be most guys just 1 year older As a stand alone it’s only of minor concern but a full year across a decent sized population in a tightly packed age group could certainly become noteworthy as you break it down.

For two units that haven’t performed well you give a lot of positive options and only two low end. also, for depth are we eating them as backups or just overall? I have a hard time putting cy as the best offensive lineman

and of course in addition to a hole at number two, there is the implicit issue of what if diggs has a sprained ankle? Gets real dicey real quickly.

hey, maybe we find another consistent pass rush piece. It could be Rousseau steps up and Ed o has a monster contract year. I think VMs recovery is the number one indicator of our playoff success if you had to pull a single player not named Josh allen

If the above doesn’t make my point I don’t know what would. It’s all Miller.

honestly, I think much of the above is pretty limited in moving the needle. the guy is Miller, and the question is that knee. We brought him in to close out big games and our season likely goes as his recovery goes (barring other significant injury issues cropping up)

with drops an imperfect stat, I tend to lean towards commentary of those watching, not just the stat line. I recall Florida fans early in this thread saying drops were frustrating- but we will see. its definitely a stat I wouldn’t correct others on unless I saw it with my own eyes

Also a fair take- just using it as a rarer talent than RB they passed that would pair with LB if letting that one slide in unchanged. I get there’s no singular way but to turn 6 and 18 into a running back, off the ball lb and safety is rough even if those guys are likable players.

carter went ahead of them because they traded back. They could’ve gotten a top ten player.

I guess a reframe- would the following have been better team building: keep hockenson- proven starter instead of hopeful prospect to contribute draft Jalen Carter (not trade up for a DT later) draft jack Campbell to play behind carter sign one (or two!) of several RBs for dirt cheap. Use their day two picks however they please.

counter: had a viable run game, instead took a back. Ignoring overdrafting the slot, it’s a cash issue. You hit on a back you get a modest value. You hit on a premiere position you save 100m on a rookie contract potentially. That matters, alpha. campbell, fine-ish in a vacuum. Not great, not as horrific as running back, akin to taking a guard instead of a tackle in the top 20. Giving away some value but not needing to be a hall of fame player to justify the finances. traded hock after going through his development and he entered his prime only draft his store brand replacement with the pick. Fail. branch - fine pick. Good safety at the top of the second is fine. Though another second tier position. hooker- if he hits, sure changes the conversation but quite the long shot. it’s easy to collect top second tier position players when you have massive draft capital. You need game changers at premiere positions in a draft position like they had.

then you get into the terrible value for 5th year options. Second contract issues. and most importantly the fact that you are not saving any money on the rookie contract. Good but not even great WR pick or good pass rusher or tackle or? Saves the lions 100M they can spend on free agents. Rb pick? Has to be pretty good to break even and a beast to show even minimal value.

obviously Edmonds does.

and not even the top back In the class.

Amazed by the lions chatter here

Camp qb to call it a day?

he will fight for a practice squad spot, which is fine here.

welcome to the practice squad

yea, I’m struggling to find anything but camp bodies when comparing availability vs roster so May as well push back

with our most impactful defensive player substantially injured, and our mlb unreplaced, you are pointing out Rapp. Would you agree our defense, on paper, is worse today than last year (with the hope that tre can close that gap some by closing the gap from his play post injury to pre injury)((but also risk in Hyde coming back and poyer holding up)) ? would you say that there were talks of Oliver being a game changer, and Rousseau being a game changer, and Elam being a plug and play starting corner?

I mean, have fun with it if that’s what makes you happy but maybe don’t solicit opinions if not wanting opinions

who is left out there that had visits?

Plus a tight end and running back that could sit in the WR room. We could go 5 active and extra practice squad presence at the position

points of information: No one in the league found him to be starting quality for their team this year, so he’s a backup with experience more aptly described Kincaid could be a game changer. How many games did Oliver, Elam or Rousseau change their rookie years? Kincaids slotted up to be a role playing package player. I like him a lots but his year one contribution has a wide range. How many total catches are you projecting in your gamechanger forecast for him for instance?