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im not sure we are distantly off. Even 4th is outside the top 10% of teams. Hard to call a team outside the top 10% a favorite to win it, so that would be the starting area of that second tier of very good teams. saying that’s not a favorite but they have a shot seems to be fair for teams in the 4-5-6 -7 type of range. If Miller comes back early and reliable I’d put us right at the front of that group, if he struggles probably towards the tail of that group.

If his other choice is retire- “get paid 7 figures, hang out doing what I love with some friends, and mentor some guys” isn’t terrible. He will see the field but not any meaningful way without injuries.

I’ve got to think it’s essentially a coaching role at this point but we will see. id imagine more “he likes the route run like this and will key on that motion” than “hey Wilson, head to the bench”

I will say last year was a rough one unfortunately we kick off this year down Miller and still a big question mark with tre. poyer and Hyde coming off injury at their age will be question marks. Likely good but shy of their peak form. morse is a love tap from being out long term we have a good team but I think it’s safe to say it’s second tier (ie have a shot but not a favorite) unless/until several guys show they are healthy- and others step up (Davis, Kincaid, any guards, Rousseau, any mlb)

and now we don’t have a pass rush, and we remain dangerously thin at WR (can you imagine if diggs goes down?) and have no mlb so we added some concerns too.

I’ll chalk you up with being ok if he did it to you then. frankly I think we’d all feel assaulted if some guy grabbed us and did that.

and Daquan and Morse and Martin… diggs turning 30 where I think it’s not terrible is I don’t care much about Martin being old and depth guys like quess, mancz, and Barkley likely don’t even make the 53 and I’m guessing a lot of teams aren’t carrying 33 year old OL12, OL13, RB4 and QB3 at the moment they also have a 35 year old kicker, like 40 year old punter, a mid 30s OT… their star playmakers (outside Rodgers) are young but they have a lot of aging role players.

it’s all about composition of the number. a full year across 80 guys could be all your starters on average 4 years older, and depth about the same age for instance. Or like 8-10 starters that are 8-10 years older. or it could be most guys just 1 year older As a stand alone it’s only of minor concern but a full year across a decent sized population in a tightly packed age group could certainly become noteworthy as you break it down.

For two units that haven’t performed well you give a lot of positive options and only two low end. also, for depth are we eating them as backups or just overall? I have a hard time putting cy as the best offensive lineman

and of course in addition to a hole at number two, there is the implicit issue of what if diggs has a sprained ankle? Gets real dicey real quickly.

hey, maybe we find another consistent pass rush piece. It could be Rousseau steps up and Ed o has a monster contract year. I think VMs recovery is the number one indicator of our playoff success if you had to pull a single player not named Josh allen

If the above doesn’t make my point I don’t know what would. It’s all Miller.

honestly, I think much of the above is pretty limited in moving the needle. the guy is Miller, and the question is that knee. We brought him in to close out big games and our season likely goes as his recovery goes (barring other significant injury issues cropping up)

with drops an imperfect stat, I tend to lean towards commentary of those watching, not just the stat line. I recall Florida fans early in this thread saying drops were frustrating- but we will see. its definitely a stat I wouldn’t correct others on unless I saw it with my own eyes

Also a fair take- just using it as a rarer talent than RB they passed that would pair with LB if letting that one slide in unchanged. I get there’s no singular way but to turn 6 and 18 into a running back, off the ball lb and safety is rough even if those guys are likable players.

carter went ahead of them because they traded back. They could’ve gotten a top ten player.

I guess a reframe- would the following have been better team building: keep hockenson- proven starter instead of hopeful prospect to contribute draft Jalen Carter (not trade up for a DT later) draft jack Campbell to play behind carter sign one (or two!) of several RBs for dirt cheap. Use their day two picks however they please.

counter: had a viable run game, instead took a back. Ignoring overdrafting the slot, it’s a cash issue. You hit on a back you get a modest value. You hit on a premiere position you save 100m on a rookie contract potentially. That matters, alpha. campbell, fine-ish in a vacuum. Not great, not as horrific as running back, akin to taking a guard instead of a tackle in the top 20. Giving away some value but not needing to be a hall of fame player to justify the finances. traded hock after going through his development and he entered his prime only draft his store brand replacement with the pick. Fail. branch - fine pick. Good safety at the top of the second is fine. Though another second tier position. hooker- if he hits, sure changes the conversation but quite the long shot. it’s easy to collect top second tier position players when you have massive draft capital. You need game changers at premiere positions in a draft position like they had.

then you get into the terrible value for 5th year options. Second contract issues. and most importantly the fact that you are not saving any money on the rookie contract. Good but not even great WR pick or good pass rusher or tackle or? Saves the lions 100M they can spend on free agents. Rb pick? Has to be pretty good to break even and a beast to show even minimal value.

obviously Edmonds does.

and not even the top back In the class.

Amazed by the lions chatter here

Camp qb to call it a day?

he will fight for a practice squad spot, which is fine here.

welcome to the practice squad