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Weak joke…

he and breece are an elite 1-2 potentially but I think we all feel like an opponent paying a top tier money and drafting a guy very high is not optimizing their resources

he fits in that you need like 10 guys to run routes in the first team, second team plus a few of those guys playing special teams reps. he’s a warm body to functionally run a full practice, and anything more is free money

he’s a “we need to have 90 of them, and doesn’t hurt to have a fast guy learn the playbook in case the injury bug hits” signing. nothing wrong with that. But nothing to really celebrate either.

though plenty of others struggled. our perspectives a bit warped by how well our guys have beat him. It’s not the norm though.

can always carry over to next year. Flexibility is good for them either way.

to be fair, only Lamar is trying to be forced into the top 3 conversation amongst the two. no one thinks Herbert is ELITE, just an excellent young qb. If you use the range of is Lamar a top 5-10 guy, everyone loves him too. and after Lawrence and burrow… just wait for that Josh Allen guy to reset the market

cousins… man… you can see there are glimpses of a human somewhere in there. he’s like if you typed “suburban religious football man” into an AI app

Whoever released the verbiage was just trying to clearly offload fault to the other party

I’ll stress again, he just signed a contract to be WR8 on their depth chart. neither he nor the giants think he’s a starter it’s amazing some posters think otherwise

covid was just an opportunity for him to be a dramatic distraction. he has said numerous times social media is bad for him and he should stay off it, as an example of him being dysfunctional in that regard. it was about the approach he took, not his specific medical hot takes had it been covid only we could roll today but he is still the same human who can’t help himself in attention seeking

at age 34 it should surprise you if he puts up prime of his career performance. Him making the roster isn’t even a given. There’s an argument he’s WR8 for them going into camp. Especially after a meaningful dip 2 years ago, and not being able to find a team last year… there’s no reason to think he’s more than injury insurance

that’s not the reason at all boss… good try.

the issue really is that once his cap hit goes up 50M, you lose 3-4 very good players around him. If you dropped him into Buffalo last year, he would’ve looked like a serviceable qb that got nowhere near the Super Bowl. That doesn’t mean he’s a bum or anything.

Until proven otherwise, he’s ahead of the guys like dak and cousins for sure. Ahead of tua. And behind those 4…. You mention. leaves him in the Herbert-Lamar range. strange to think how fast Russ Wilson plummeted out of these talks.

Great line, great weapons, and great results where he balances out? Still unknown. of the elite young guys… it’s hard to find one that’s had a tougher situation than Josh. All had stretches with the truly elite overindexing of talent around them while on the rookie deal.

until a car is broken down, or something bad happens, of course. it’s ok to condemn terrible behavior loudly and directly without thinking there’s no redeeming oneself

I’ll loudly agree a single mistake does not define a man we know very little of these guys and extrapolate a ton from small moments. oh, still dangerous, but at 140 his odds of something happening are higher. he has less control at that speed, less lead time to correct something, etc….

not actively dangerous to the public is a big miss on your part that said, still less risky than ruggs.

with fewer cost control years they’ll also all fall 2 rounds further, right? so the first rounders this year would be day 2 picks and if anything injury wise happened early in the career they could see less money overall in this plan

Yea, at this point he has to play. he should’ve pushed the issue for 1 year with no tag for year two publicly. That feels like the RB play for tags. Signing 2 year deal means he’s unlikely to get a mega contract ever, which is rough for a guy in his spot. The giants basically asked him to play under the tag twice at that pay. I can’t blame him for not racing to receive no substantial extra money, and no path to free agency they can’t even cave this year, he’s only allowed the tag now, right? and what would they offer next year that’s substantially different, a year older and with more animosity?

we may have to consider revoking your membership here, with your incredibly close ties to the chiefs.

Amazing how a franchise qb can carry a unit, eh? or more importantly things like contract structure. Josh may have the 13th cap hit in a single year, but will never be outside the top ten overall qb contracts for more than about 5 minutes if a couple new signatures come through in quick succession.

I’ll say the Mr average comment May root in a specific dynamic… that at any given tim the nfl only really has maybe 20 true starting qbs, and about a dozen teams searching. It colors fans perceptions in ranking what a middle of the pack qb is. Among the guys that are unquestioned starters - he’s pretty average or lacking exceptional traits and results. He’s a good starter, and has some longevity with that status to accumulate stats and rankings. if you took the 20ish deserving hard to get him above average to slightly above in that group. starting qbs of the last couple years, it’s probably

top ten is essentially “very slightly above average” in this position group. I think that’s a good spot for him.