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he’s got like 2-3 years of last night before he’s gone let’s come back to reality. He likely waltzes through 10 games like super man this year and is totally unquestioned

we don’t have 3 linebackers. We might not have 2.

short of the players still being in the huddle, I’m not sure I’m calling a timeout against a goal line formation inside their own 5. losing that play for nationally shouldn’t be 80 yards ever. It was the missed gaps, and poor play after the snap at fault.

completely lost and a half dozen boneheaded plays are two different things. his two dumb runs, the fumble and the picks were bad but we have seen completely lost. He made a handful of terrible errors against an elite defense. We need to figure out how to keep 6-7 at 1-2 of those risks

they will give him the simmer down speech. He will hopefully beat up a team nowhere near as good. We will argue over whether he stepped up or the competition stepped down. let’s not be too over the top. We are likely 2-1 playing Miami for the lead in the division come week 4

Constantly? Come on. When we were 13-3 you were constantly fretting? there’s something up but…

Last year was his highest INT percentage since his rookie year last year was also his most fumbles since his sophomore year he went seasons before a red zone int which became a major issue last year. dion dawkins never ate great but ballooning to 370 was a big issue. Josh has always played fast and loose, but it’s abnormally bad at the moment

or maybe just a successful offensive coach with or without hardware would resonate, and also effectively build the unit/scheme/culture in the offensive room

who is coaching this all pro qb? Could that person be part of the regression? either Josh thinks he can ignore coaching which is a player and coach issue or he has regressed in decision making which is usually both a player and coach issue (especially with it coinciding with Dorsey’s tenure) or Dorsey just sucks which is a coach issue. josh isn’t a fringe player in the league that can fail regardless of the best coaching. When elite talents regress usually it’s either injury or a systematic issue (play calling, communication, support in general)

As fully guaranteed money, if he doesn’t retire he gets it.

it totally messes up how you have to manage his day too I was so mad at that play. And then to follow it up with the jump? it’ll sound crazy but those two plus the fumble upset me more than some of the throws. injury and turnover were FAR more likely than fly 7 yards or land on feet and keep running and it also signals to Dorsey he has to scrap every designed run he has in his pocket.

To be fair, you don’t have to throw into triple coverage after escaping those are unrelated events, in theory

really frustrating to be up two scores on a team that’s totally floundering and not have the qbs ear about ball security and actually having one of the few weeks we’re we should go super safe and grind it with no threat from the jets offense instead we will go conservative against a high powered team and let them back in.

it’s about the lost yards, not fear of contact.

I think the issue on this play as much as anything is it meant everyone had to jump on him for being an idiot. suddenly he’s going to be tentative with the body, overthinking taking hits, and coaches avoiding calling designed runs because he can’t be trusted to get down. the other catastrophic flub was not gliding out of bounds for 4 yards and a first down early and instead taking on defenders to get 6 yards… a meaningless win. hes got to figure that out so we can use all his talents to win. If he can play safer, we can open up the playbook and use him more creatively.

this has been a drum I beat all off-season. needing poyer to play forward even more, while likely slowing down too is a real risk. Suddenly he’s responsible for more green space at a diminishing ability potentially. he’s at a crossroads where you start to hide him a bit and instead he’s going to have more duties and take more hits. it’s risky.

lot of folks think that the old school maul a WR, then decapitate him when he tries to catch the ball and truly lock him down style of corner is still a thing at this point your corners are largely triage against a good offense - avoiding the big play, and hopefully turning a turnover or two to end drives

honestly, walking out of that week with a loss but Rodgers out for the season probably did more for our playoff chances than winning but Rodgers being 100% if being totally practical. If we win 11-12 games it between us and the dolphins instead of a 3 horse race. Obviously want the win last night but in some grim silver lining the path to the division is easier today than it was last week.

my biggest worry (or among the top 2-3) coming into the season was that the jets are one of our worst matchups and it could set a real bad tone out of the gate. I agree that it’s not indicative of their week to week potential but do think they need a bounce back game badly next week.

agreed. would’ve been great to see him make the play but he absolutely wasn’t supposed to be the last line of defense. im very curious to see the poyer tape on the day. And very nervous to see him against an offense attacking on all levels of the defense as opposed to a very contained jets game plan.

Yea, I’m having a hard time blaming a corner for the two run plays plus a miracle catch that was well defended. he missed a tackle on a goofy play call for the defense and multiple guys seemingly out of position on the long run. His miss looked like a symptom not the cause of the issue there

Would coaching not be part of that decision? ”alright Josh - spider z, y banana on 2… remember, the outlet should be open for the first down. Don’t have to win it on this play” is Josh getting that and saying screw you dorsey? If so, it’s a player issue but also a relationship with the coach issue. Josh is your franchise qb and has shown he earned that role. When that breaks, it’s rarely simply “that player forgot how to play and sucks” but instead a systems issue… he’s not a UDFA special teamer thrust into the lineup and not showing ability to make reads

and I’m questioning if that is working. Unfair? is it possible Dorsey was a very good qb coach and just an ok coordinator so promoting him resulted in a step back in both roles and our QB struggling to keep balance?

im honestly coming around to a missing link that can settle the offense between drives With McD now calling plays and Dorsey upstairs I think there’s some gap in sideline presence. I think it was there before the McD transition but now starting to really crystallize this opinion I don’t think Dorsey is worthless. In fact he got great stuff out of Allen. as a qb coach for both guys though. Is losing Dorsey on the sideline with the qb a loss we havent considered in his promotion? Is Brady not giving him that support as well?

is he talking to him about how to ideally run the progressions? Is his communication about what he sees translating to Josh better seeing it? it’s on Josh to but since Dorsey took over these things don’t seem to be happening well. Suddenly Josh is seeing ghosts, has the thousand yard stare on the sideline and seemingly no one getting him through it as he’s often alone when they pan to him