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big names this week too

let’s not pretend our playbook is so exceptional that we are the only team that can’t generally plug and play backs. Sure he might not have 100% open to him but…

frankly, you hand nearly any of those guys this squad and we are at worst a wild card team

who wouldn’t love a guy that gets slightly above average results out of a squad that’s been elite for large portions of that

we don’t know the scope but he’s publicly said he likes a balanced offense and didn’t seem particularly thrilled with dabolls final season based on comments the following camp we also know he’s had input into the offense based on recent interviews. how hard he interjects is a wild card that we can only speculate but we know he participates and we know his preference

which is why he’s not truly the deep threat that the board once made him out to be but underneath he doesn’t have the agility/hands to be the possession guy hes unfortunately a tweener that is good enough to play in the league but doesn’t fill any role at a high enough level to truly keep a DC up at night figuring out how to contain him. You just tell your DB to not fall down, and you are generally safe. and even field awareness can be spotty. Sometimes you catch him running to weird spots when the play breaks down. he’s the fine enough at everything guy. He’s Singletary at running back, but a much more important position.

meh. I think he’s well known throughout the league for being a live wire that has these types of takes. That he isn’t saying the stuff at press conferences doesn’t mean he’s not saying it to his guys, who talk.

Ultimately, when he’s the host that is simultaneously extending drives every game with plays only he can make - I couldn’t care less about a few turnovers. when we are trying to grind out a slow game with long drives and he can’t run or uncork an amazing throw I like it a lot less. the thing was when he made *those* amazing plays it was almost like creating an extra possession - ie offsetting turnovers. Without that guy, it just hurts.

35% chance we never get the ball back vs much higher we get it back with a short throw is a consideration though.

What do y’all think Dorsey did with his day today?

Had we lost to the giants I’d be comfortable blaming both. Heck, we won and I think daboll/tyrod was our shining light. the offense is getting the worst starting field position in the league. How’s that for complimentary football? neither side is working and the head coach has plenty of explaining to do.

ultimately I think we are fully in agreement just talking about different elements of the play. id bet a significant sum that the play call was essentially verticals, with the instruction that if they come to pick the mismatch and whatever you do don’t over throw it. on an island and a 4.4 guy gets his release of the line - I don’t care if you are the best nickel corner ever… unless you have help, that’s a great matchup for the offense. sure McDermott created pressure but Payton gave every bit of the pressure back with what amounted to a more skilled and more prepared group of players that had the rules in their favor. im not furious or anything but I do think we got one upped on that play by a smart coach-vet qb- good wr putting a decent corner in a very tough spot schematically

well and he’s still working in someone else’s scheme here so I won’t put 100% on him good or bad - but we can get a feel

Are we pretending week 1 didn’t exist?

that’s the thing. Payton lined up his WRs and tod them to go deep. Russ was told if it’s a jailhouse break ID a matchup off the line and heaven it. If they slowed down the blitz at all it’s a TD because we aren’t wining that battle with all 4 corners on an island. In the end the offense knew the assignment and executed it. If it doesn’t work out they have another snap. the real win was anything short that left a looooong kick to either lose the game or get the ball back with timeouts to get our own win.

no one called him a bum. it was fairly pointed out that in the 2023 nfl against a quality set of WRs all on islands without safety help that one of their guys would get a step. Once that happens it’s near lights out as a quality wr will often be able to get that call once they have a step on a corner on an island. Whether jeudy or Sutton - they were lobbing that ball to the one they liked the mismatch on. And it worked exactly as schemed. Even one deep safety makes that a much riskier throw. Zero blitz? It was out of his hands before they even snapped the ball. Good coach and qb don’t have to think twice on that read there.

payton is notorious for calling 4 verticals against that given our secondary and their receivers they pre snap can call the lollipop and know there is a decent chance the DB will not execute on the level of the WR. we begged them to target our weakness with the not unlikely result being we never touch the ball again.

A first ends the game without Josh touching the ball. A blitz that’s all or nothing increases the odds of that first. Even a kick with 40 seconds and a timeout isn’t catastrophic- only a first down is.

Wilson no longer had to fear the turnover the same being out of fg range. It allowed him to throw a lob that he couldn’t the play prior. It’s chess vs checkers. a sack was bad but not the end of the world the play prior so eating the blitz instead of game planning a PI was a shift between the two presnap even.

but they knew on a zero blitz that a lob against man coverage in our battered secondary was a high percentage play. Single coverage on an island and they have good WRs. the calculus between the two plays changed drastically but we played them identically. even an underneath completion turns into a long kick to either end the game with a miss or get the ball back with time and timeouts to get a fg

If you want you glass half empty just look at the value of the deal as hitting everything and you are penalizing their shortcomings to that

yea, it’s got to be maddening for the team to see the inconsistency. Everyone gets qb has its own rules but 1 fumble in 14 months compared to davis misreading a route then immediately bouncing a pick to the defense…. Unless there was some point of emphasis with cook during practice or something, it’s a terrible double standard. I didn’t even think about Elam in this but I think it raises a very good question there too. It brings the question whether some are coaches favorites and held to different standards. If we are asking there’s a good chance players are wondering, unless there’s info we don’t know (very possible too)((but also possible not all players know the answers either even if there is a reason))

Floyd is the guy that was out on the first attempt but not the re-kick that said, given cycling injuries, needing breathers, and such mid game, I’m not sure how often it’s the same 11 the real thing is you just spent 5 minutes setting up the scramble. How in the world did you not look every member of the defense in the eye to confirm their role at the tackle/kneel/whistle, and have the 5-7 guys swapping out corralled together on the sideline ready to go?!?! for heavens sake - you could have assigned guys a tag out partner in that EXTENSIVE window before the biggest play of your season

it’s literally nothing to do with this guys point this thread has devolved into “it’s stupid to ask a question like that because I’ve already made an assumption”

I do enjoy we waited til a short week to make the move