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Because when Sean Payton left the front office and coaches didn’t want to take their medicine with a rebuild and made wild decisions that should be reserved for teams with at least a chance to compete. they continue To do so

you can’t pay top ten money for a backup and Knox will quickly be that. once Kincaid got here it became an entirely different issue than you are framing.

there’s a good chance he’s gone in 2 years - it needs to look better fast

that was his 2023 cap hit, but every buck he’s paid counts against the cap in the coming years still.

ummm I’m seeing 12.5m last year in cash flow to Knox between salary, roster bonuses, etc….

they were not likely in it if he walked, and Higgins might’ve took a different team out of it - so kind of the opposite?

my assumption in this claim wasn’t that the team was non guaranteeing payment of the bonus and then cutting the guy right after. You know. Because that’s not really a viable repeatable strategy the only reason worth discussing is because for some reason the team wanted to speed up the cap hit while keeping a player and that’s the opposite of helpful for them

Right, the future guarantee that no one would want to pay travelled with the player not an already paid sum that hasn’t been accounted for the inverse wouldn’t happen as it’s both worse for the player and the team

Dead money is generally money you’ve already paid but not yet taken a cap hit for. there’s no getting out of accounting for money you paid a guy. sometimes it’s a future guarantee but rarely - that you could negotiate technically

I think the more interesting conversation is if we stayed out, took someone else, and whether the saints snagged mahomes. I don’t think mahomes is a success had we taken him with that support (staff and roster) for multiple years before tooling up the offense

looking annually, doesn’t it essentially always come a good clip above preliminary estimates? I won’t say I track it religiously or anything but almost every year it feels like we see this late update and all the people saying “how in the world do certain teams spend like they do? this will be the year it catches up!” have to wait another year.

though they picked up a guy with the skill set to potentially be as good or better, if he does actually perform at projected potential could’ve been just about anyone. The dude has about as much leg talent and potential as anyone- why not take a cheap swing at him to see if you can steal a few years cheap

weird right. Almost like it was a pretty easy move to make

I’ll say I think he’s more in the 2 for 15 area as a goal and might not be that. wouldn’t be shocked if after musical chairs he ends up getting humbled if his expectations are 10+ and he ends up settling for even less than that (see cook, dalvin) while I get where your at quoting thing like “6 straight years over….” I think you are neglecting that many GMs will be of the mindset that “6 straight years of heavy usage” is actually a negative not a positive for his contract negotiation I’ve said repeatedly I don’t think he’s my own major target but when you look at subbing him in and pulling the dollars from Hines/harty it’s not terribly upsetting if Brady would rather grind a bit instead of having gadget guys cheap way to save Josh some hits, and defenses definitely wouldn’t look forward to playing the bills

to also be clear my point wasn’t that we’d avoid him for age, but that the nfl won’t be paying him for stats two years ago. the core of my post was asking you to define a number for what you actually think his contract looks like. I truly find that phrases like “mid tier rb money” can mean WILDLY different things to different posters. the 13-20th (ie +/-4 guys from mid point of top 32) highest paid backs on average contract value, for instance, is a range of 2.25m-4m. I suspect your number is substantially above that

define mid level rb salary- as I think that’s where a lot of the expectations diverge in this thread Also, what a heavily used back did at 28 doesn’t matter much at 30

though we may see him not get the big bucks and need a cheaper place to sit. likely above our target but could be far less than I think most are imagining

I don’t think it’s likely but there is a difference in waiting moved this year: $0 cash spent $31m cap hits moved next year: $19m cash spent, $50m in cap hits absorbed ultimately, if given the choice of vet band aids, do we like diggs on a 1 year 19m deal, or do you prefer a guy in the “Hopkins” realm of options, or mike evans if throwing a real name the sunk cost is the sunk cost, right? So do you pay him 19m for 1 year, or do you get creative with accounting tools to find an alternate to that? A little less concrete in the opinion there, but imagine it’s likely they stay put unless the drama behind the scenes is truly taxing or there’s worry about whatever caused the dip in production

I think you would need to see a guy blackmailed with drugs, affairs, OTHER UNRELATED GAMBLING Offenses that he doesn’t want made public etc… at the nfl level.

I don’t think he will get cheap so much as the years will be short and non guaranteed

The man was given infinite opportunity with an elite quarterback. I’m not sure what opportunity we didn’t afford him to reach his potential

Yup- if voiding to a single season a 2 year deal spreads the signing bonus 50-50 a 3 would end up hitting 33-67 a 4 would be 25-75 on the signing bonus a 5 would be 20-80

he’s doing the same thing most (all?) successful teams are doing with the cap though there’s a philosophy called cash to cap you might love

it left us space to make in season moves, and if we don’t make those moves we can roll over the cap space to cover it as a net zero in 2024. literally all it does in a vacuum is give more flexibility. it’s only when you spend every last dollar and do so on bad players that it’s a hindering move. By itself though you should amortize money into future years basically whenever possible and then see if you need the flexibility or just roll it

it’s also true that most “bad” cap situations can turn around pretty quickly. It isn’t the 5 year rebuild that bills fans were once sold. Often a single challenging (but competitive) year can get a team with a franchise qb reloaded