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oh yea I didn’t mean in the sense that their style is similar but that they are full washouts right now… Isabella having the perk of at least being league minimum pay where burk has the challenge of a $3m salary (not huge, but effects how you manage him)

He’s a more expensive version of Isabella, right? Or has he actually established any presence as a foundation to justify reps beyond his drags position? I’ve not seen a ton of him

that was an absolute wall of text to tell a professional football board that college basketball is better. Seems like keystrokes wasted.

you are also comparing to an era where there were far fewer yards in the passing game. A 2020s receiver needs to solidly surpass an 80s-90s guy right now diggs only stretch as a WR1 fit a team didn’t even have him WR1 in his division for a lot of it. how many WRs can get in from his era?

being accurate isn’t the same as being constructive towards reaching your goals even if you concede him as accurate, has he used any of those in a way that was bettering everyone’s outcome?

the OP definitely blurs today vs overall as well we the player vs the man he’s been a great on field player 3 of 4 years I think he will be remembered More like a hired hand than a beloved bill he will be more TO than Fred or Kyle

it was basically copy/paste Minnesota

even then you aren’t looking for a diamond in the rough. You are looking for a guy that maybe knows your terminology ideally, perhaps has any reps running an nfl huddle or calling a play like we would go down a list of Barkley and Kyle allen, anyone we had in camp, guys that played under Brady or his peers running the same system, then the Joe flaccos of the world before getting to the eagles day 3 pick on the practice squad randomly that we kinda liked but couldn’t play in a viable way this Sunday

remind me - what did the bills eat with diggs?

I would find it absolutely shocking if beane wanted to aggressively tie himself to diggs even longer by creating more dead money with him after last years behavior all year and close to the season on field. makes almost no sense. we didn’t even convert all of joshs salary either, as another indicator there was no need to restructure diggs again who is a much worse candidate than Josh for that I thought he was dinged up too- but I suspect we will know quickly if so. he won’t keep quiet if there’s a chance for him to excuse his stats down the stretch, yet alone a reason that could make him look like a good guy gutting it out Heck, even if he wasn’t hurt I half expect it

I’d say it’s more akin to an open container in the car than an outrage over weed issue

where did I say he wasn’t good? it was absolutely fun while it lasted as they are talented guys accomplishing impressive things. He will likely not be beloved in the way tre, our safeties, or going back a Fred Jackson or Kyle Williams were. he was a great football player. He may be more of a good bill though. do you believe he will be remembered as a beloved icon of Buffalo football in this era, or moreso as a high achiever here in passing?

either way, no one’s trying to trade for a guy to force a holdout to show up against his will even if they could.

“I’m going to tell them I’m not showing up if you send me to the panthers” is not pretty but would accomplish what he wants

i think he’d have to look real good in pre season to have any chance that another team is poaching him from the squad to put on their 53. Most are pretty entrenched with the top 2, if not 3. to have 3 be a late round pick that doesn’t know your system because you added him late means you saw something in 4th quarter preseason play that you didn’t in scouting

I suppose by that standard you think lance produced fully to his own ceiling? I think similarly as a guy that had to earn his reps both based on draft status and a crowded offense with both WR but also very good TE and pass catchers out of the backfield he probably had untapped potential in his peak. if we draft a major wr (especially trade up) Shakir will be WR3 with Kincaid and cook also taking noteworthy targets. He could play VERY well and not get beyond that 60 catch 900 yard and 8 TD range. do that 4-5 years (maybe a little more with the longer season!), go to another team and sunset there would be an excellent career for the guy. and if we trade up for a wr that’s probably not an unfair look at his role behind that guy and Kincaid the next few years

for lance I could add a 52 catch 8 TD season he missed 2 games during and it’s 4 out of 5 years across his peak Im bringing you (excluding one year he was out most of the season). 4 years of 50-80 catches and amassing 32 tds is a think a really solid role player. if that’s shakirs next 5 years he had a solid run and will be 29(?). 4 of those 5 better than his current high water mark. if toning down the lecturing from a throne, I’m a saints season ticket holder and also not just comparing stats but to a guy I watched in person weekly for those 5 years. undersized, good yac (lance did handle kicks for a bit) 4.5 speed, slippery guy as wr2-3 in an offense with playmakers at te, and rb too.

yup. also We don’t see a lot of his off field but if you set aside the basic he’s a player stuff- I think the “don’t want him to date my sister” was always more than just that he was prolific with women and also that not a lot of teammates would want him at their thanksgiving table, proverbially he’s talented, he’s hard working, he can contribute to winning but I think he likely struggles immensely with who he is vs who he wants to be seen as. Charisma and success buy him a lot of plausible deniability but there are a lot of reasons to think he’s not consistently pleasant. I do think he wants to be liked/admired.

diggs is a good player but you only want to get the questions about his tweets, comments, missed workouts etc… so many times. fun while it lasted but completely predictable finish too. No hard feelings but diggs will be a hired hand and not a truly beloved bill when memories of this era crystallize.

kupp had 92 and 94 catches the two years prior tied for 11th and outright 9th in the league with Goff at qb. Stafford is very wr friendly but lets not pretend about kupp being a west coast nfc team he wasn’t a household name especially here but I think he was a wr1 unless you mean wasn’t wr1 for the entire nfl as for Moore- top 3 seasons would be: 65-1041-6 79-928-10 66-763-8 Solid yac guy who did some punt/kick returns. Not a ton but I call it out as a testament to him being able to move with the ball.

I’ll say again- lance moore, not kupp. who is still a great contributor but not an elite player

1 year of diggs 50m in cap impact 0 years, 31m in cap impact and a second round pick theres definitely value

he got traded because he has declining skill and increasing drama If he were Justin Jefferson on the field he’d be here even if he talked about beanes mom

why might beane do a big move? pick 6- 4 years 28m projected contracts for chase and Jefferson- 4 years 120m those cost control picks are great but if beane saves 92m by hitting on this pick you can fill a lot of holes with decent vets instead of draft picks 92m saved and you sign a mid tier safety, instead of drafting a project at 60, similar commentary towards a center perhaps. Steal a mercenary pass rusher like Floyd for a year as a bridge if needed. You just can do a lot with proven players with 92m instead of hoping for picks in the late 20s-60s but you have to nail the pick

At 32 that will be a dicey path. he may come out ahead but staying put and being pleasant in Buffalo probably would’ve given him a higher probability of staying near his ceiling for earnings. if he has a monster year he keeps loosely on track for his voided paychecks- maybe a modest increase but not huge. if he stumbles even a little he becomes a 1 year 10m a year type of guy next year quickly