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8 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Eh, TO never made the playoffs. Diggs was imperative in the creation of Josh Allen. You cant tell the main story of Josh without him.
If TO was ever on a team that had success and was as beloved as the current crew, he'd be a bigger fan favorite.
It's the winning that is the difference, and Diggs was here for winning.
Agreed he wont be a Reed. Until we win a SB, none of the players will be as beloved as the 90s teams.
my hope is that just making the playoffs will also be a footnote when this Allen story is all done.lets all keep fingers crossed that the last 5 years are the low point and not the high point of the decade. If Allen walks out with 2 rings, and a bunch of iconic moments- an mvp- I don’t think we will be in canton talking about diggs as more than a passing comment.
if Josh has peeked and has a sudden drop, yea, diggs will occupy more space in the story
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2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Diggs was great for the Bills and played a huge role in the growth and development of Josh Allen.
I would hope that in 10 years Bills fans would be over themselves and recognize and respect Diggs for the player he was. I get wounds are fresh now (kinda), but much longer and it just looks like a petty, spiteful, ignorant fan base hating on one of their best former players.
Reed had issues with Kelly, fist fights, threatened to leave Buffalo numerous times because his wife hated it here, was (is still) a huge ahole to fans at times especially when you catch him coked out, never won us a Super Bowl and melted down in SB26. We still love him.
he’s going to be more TO than reed in the memories. He was a hired gun for a short stretch not guy that bled team colors.doesn’t mean he’s disliked, he’s just a footnote in the family history and not the main story.
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
It is a simple fact that we don't have anyone who is proven beyond #3 type production. I will leave Kincaid aside for a second because I was talking specifically about wide receivers. I am just not as optimistic as you are on either Keon or, to a lesser extent, Shakir who I do think can be very good but you have to be elite to be a difference maker at slot and I am not sure he is that.
I think the Bills will have enough to move the ball. But they have objectively on paper one of the worst receiver groups in the league going into the season. It will come down to Josh and Joe to maximise what they have.
about where I am at too - well said -
2 hours ago, Kaenon said:
Our pass catchers this season:
Kincaid (1st round pick)
Samuel, Coleman, Claypool, Hamler, Isabella (2nd round picks)
Knox (3rd round pick)
Hollins, Shakir (4th round picks)
MVS, Shorter (5th round picks)
We'll see who makes it.
That's an awful lot of 2nd round picks.
the unfortunate truth: they are a bit of a crapshoot after the initial high end guys in the class. It speaks to Keon not being a slam dunk star- though I think he will be relatively productive -
2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I would take Keon long term over Mooney 100% of the time.
And honestly by the time week 1 gets here and Keon has a full camp and preseason complete, I’m probably taking Keon week 1 too over Mooney unless Keon ends up struggling during camp and preseason, which so far it’s nothing but stellar reports coming out.
But that is also because I am optimistic on Keon and also know Mooney is not a WR1, at least not a good one. Keon I firmly believe will be a WR1 and will be ready to start his ascension come week 1.
between the comparisons between shakir and kupp, and now belief that Keon will be WR1, I’m scared to see what I’ve missed you saying about Samuel.-
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3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:
its a fair cop.
No idea what this product will look like on the field. For so many reasons that do not include history even,
How do we project Brady's vision for all these guys under the "everyone eats Mantra"
Good discussions of course from folks. But just that.
Goes back to the math equations that , if Bills have enough pass catchers worth a sht , and they do
Brady will help Allen find the open one
The open one will actually catch the ball for a gain . And then possibly run like heck after
The odds are better when the team have quite a few able bodies , and Allen can see them and Brady schemes them open.
Long equation but not complicated
No one need to take the reins just yet, And if properly executed ? It might change from game to game and then from half to half as Defenses adjust
my two pennies
It’s the poor man’s 49ers at the skill positions.
not wild to see deebo-aiyuk as the premium Samuel-shakir, right?
Kittle/kincaid is probably the least “poor man” comparisonWhile I like cook, no cmc but they’ve dabbled in that usage
the flip side is we have Josh instead of purdy so we are the aged out of a rookie qb deal version of it. Does that work? Probably most weeks. Does it beat the jags-bengals-chiefs-49ers in consecutive weeks after new years? Not impossible but I’d sure feel better with one proven matchup problem at outside WR
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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:
That is just your opinion, and one I definitely do not share.
If I am an NFL GM and I have to choose between Mooney and Kincaid, I’m taking Kincaid. Shakir and Mooney…I am taking Shakir. Keon and Mooney…I am taking the upside of Keon.
I get you don’t believe in those 3 players to the same degree, but I would bet money that Beane wouldnt swap any of those 3 for Mooney. And I’m not even saying Mooney is a bad player, just saying to say he would be our “best” and “our instant WR1” over all 3 of those guys is over the top and quite exaggerative given Keon hasn’t even started a game, Kincaid is just entering his 2nd year, and Shakir is coming off a year 2 breakout as he gets ready to start his 3rd as a major part of the offense.
if you were drafting a guy long term, maybe you pick Keon.
for a game this weekend probably less enthusiastic about that WR1 status for Keon
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1 hour ago, Doc said:
Who was talking about Brady?
Watson with his sub-800 yards (giving him the BOTD and extrapolating his production to a full season)? Doubtful at best.
They lost in the divisional round. Thanks in large part to Love's 2 INTs and a questionable decision to go for it on 4th down at the SF 14.
I didn't see that the argument was that he was going to be the #2 WR. I never thought he'd be that with Coleman and Samuel being starters and Shakir in the slot.
the Brady point being that there are exceptions to rules, but it’s not fun betting the house that you will also be the exception.
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8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
And we have nobody who has even proven to be that. Curtis Samuel has one year of that type of production in his seven year career (reason to be optimistic it was with this OC). Shakir might still be ascending but hasn't proven to be that yet and MVS is clearly proven to be a #3.
If we get low end #2 type production - say 700-750 yards and 4 or 5 TDs - that would be a reasonable outcome given prior production.
someone, maybe multiple, should have career production years- we will have a certain level of passing production and SOMEONE will catch those passes.
will those guys be playing better than they previously have, or will they just be getting volume? That answer will go a long way to defining our offense
22 minutes ago, Doc said:That's because Hollins only had 30 targets.
The Packers didn't have a receiver in the top-40. Is it that important to have one in the top 30?
Brady was drafted in the 6th but is it your business model?
also, Watson would be wr1 here
also, also, when did their season end?
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50 minutes ago, Avisan said:
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I was addressing a specific argument because it was quantifiable and therefore easy to address. It ends the ambiguity and allows the conversation to progress based on that shared reality.
yea, like I said, top 30 really tough, top 40 with work, right? And I think just yards is a tough metric to rank guys on solely. You know, injuries, poor qb play, incoming rookies. We project his best stretch to 17 healthy games with a top qb but probably a handful of other guys would push up if you did the same.
if you just take a list of the top 100 wrs and start sorting ours… it gets hard to push anyone above 40. A few places I’ve seen start our best one around 50, which is basically dead center of the WR2 group (I’ve never thought 45 vs 55 is any real distinction for instance)
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3 hours ago, Mikey152 said:
Claypool isn't a savior...and I don't think the Bills see him as one.
But it is clear that instead of taking late round fliers on WR, they chose to pick up a bunch of recently highly drafted WR that flopped in the NFL to varying degrees for whatever reason.
I think the starters are pretty much locked in as Shakir, Samuel, Kincaid and Cook. Only X and how much 12 we play (and who comes off) is really much of a question at this point. If some combination of Coleman and MVS do a decent job, the Bills will be fine.
I know what you think of my opinion, and it is whatever...but as someone who has seen ALOT of Curtis Samuel football, we should be excited to hear he is playing flanker and going in motion a lot.
so the challenge here:not an insult as I believe both have talent and a spot in the league but… which of shakir and Samuel do you consider a top 30 wr?
Honestly, pen to paper are either confidently top 40? It’s hard to get them there.
if we don’t have a top 40 guy we are talking average WR2 for our top WR?
Unless Keon plays much better than the 8th picked WR should, we are looking at a rough overall room.
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9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Lol, I didn’t say that his opinion was factual. I said that it is a fact that he ranked them 28th. It is.
Thoughts on practice is Kincaid is the guy that has a chance to be a stud. It sounds like he was today. They need that. He can be a top 5 TE and is probably a top 10 TE today. It’s the WRs that I think aren’t very good. I hope that I’m wrong. One practice, in shorts, isn’t changing my thoughts on anything. Opinions are the same now as before. I’m not sure why you take issue, that a bunch of guys with spotty production/resume/pedigree are concerning? Why should we be optimistic? Aren’t those the elements that would lead someone to be optimistic?
its wild to watch him argue definitions but have it fly by him that you can state that someone factually has a stated opinion on the subject.
that he ranked them 28 is a fact. That opinion was derived from whatever analysis he made of the various groups.
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4 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:
The article says dead cap will be $7.5 mm for 2024 and $15.7 in 2025. Imo, both are doable.
Adding him makes Bills receiving room (including TE position) as one of the most diverse in the entire league.
with average health, they’d instantly be top tier Super Bowl contenders if they add him-
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On 6/17/2024 at 6:14 PM, Mikie2times said:
Shedeur last year would be like 24 of 26 for 98 yards and 3 TD's 😆
By 98 yards you mean like 250?
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18 hours ago, billybrew1 said:
Hines is a true one-dimensional RB. They have far less value than a three dimensional RB…. I think the Bills have found their three dimensional RB in Ray Davis. We’ll see….
When we had Hines the D knew a pass to Hines was coming and half the team tackled him for a gain of one.
in 9 games he had 6 carries and 5 catches. I’m not sure you can put any stock into any outcomes of his touchesthough he did average 10 yards a catch in those 5 plays so I’m particularly stumped by the narrative you gave
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1 hour ago, Logic said:
Hines' time in Buffalo was frustrating to me.
All this talk of wanting a dynamic receiving back for Josh Allen. Beane goes out and trades for Nyheim Hines, who everyone universally agreed was underused in Indy.
The Bills then proceed to just absolutely not use him whatsoever on offense. Just let him sit on the shelf collecting dust. He actually gets used LESS on offense in Buffalo than he was in Indy. We hear that it's just taking time for him to learn the playbook. Meanwhile, guys like CMC get traded to a new team and are on the field a bunch the very next week.
And all of this happened AFTER the Bills had already spent a 2nd round pick on James Cook in that year's draft to fill that receiving back role.
Obviously, he had the memorable kick return touchdowns game. That was about it for his contributions as a Buffalo Bill, though. Overall, the way Hines' acquisition and time here was handled still seems like a maddening disconnect between GM and coach/OC.
In any case, what happened thereafter with the Jetski was an awful thing. Hopefully Hines can rebound in Cleveland.
truly a puzzling spot.
and we are all here because we like to figure out the why/how hit this one was a real struggle.
he had the talent to be on the field
are we to believe he couldn’t pick up a few packages a week?
or did the coaching staff believe anything short of the playbook being 100% wide open with him on the field was unacceptable?
1 hour ago, Rigotz said:Couple of explanations:
1) The jet ski accident was actually somehow an ACL tear. He had no shot of playing at any point last year, so the Bills released him on injury settlement.
2) He had a bad experience in Buffalo. They under-used him and the Offensive Coordinator who brought him in is no longer the Offensive Coordinator.
3) His contract with the Browns is $1.1M with a 500K signing bonus and 350K roster bonus. That indicates that they might keep him, but it's not heavily guaranteed.
The guy was awesome. Had the right attitude. Was just under-used and had awful luck.
I don't blame him for hitting the open market and getting the best offer he could get. I'm rooting for him.
but Dorsey is in Cleveland which makes it all the stranger-
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2 minutes ago, first_and_ten said:
Wondering what kind of a payday he'll command? Any thoughts?
At this point? Very little and a lot of incentives.
probably not worth the headache here but there may be a team out there that appreciates a reliable short yardage contested catch option.
hard to think he will age gracefully though, given his current lack of self awareness
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On 7/5/2024 at 3:24 PM, JakeFrommStateFarm said:
Are you saying McDermott cannot cut under performing players on this team ?
If so that is a truly dysfunctional management structure.
Most other teams the gm signs the players and the coach has the ability to cut the players
I do not believe the coach gets that duty on his own in pretty much any buildingThe roster building implications of long term keepers and cap implications certainly trace back to the GM
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I keep echoing: I’d love to know what happened last year.
either way, huge questions about why we didn’t at least have a guy added to the practice squad last season
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On 6/27/2024 at 9:07 AM, NoHuddleKelly12 said:
The Raiders have been truly a snakebitten franchise for the duration of Junior's rulership since taking over for Al. Is it coincidence or dumb leadership decisions?
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2 hours ago, mrags said:
That’s great. He barely made the top 3rd of the leagues coaches. He only needed the 2nd best player in football to do it.
to some degree… imagine having the best point differential and a long playoff streak and landing 10thseems more insult than compliment, right?
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14 minutes ago, Steptide said:
They still lack a true number 1, though Coleman could be that in time. I just go back to the argument that when we needed Diggs the most, he was nowhere to be found. So, we'll be alright.
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1 hour ago, NeverOutNick said:
I don’t think we’re “better”. I think we’re deeper.
This is how I see it:
Last year This year
Diggs Shakir
Davis Coleman
Shakir Samuel
Harty Claypool
Sherfield MVS
Hollins
Hamler
Shakir is our #1 for this year and he’s earned that role even if he’s not built like a true #1. Will Coleman be the guy eventually? Maybe. He’s a big target that snatches the ball out of the air but isn’t a great separator just yet.
Samuel is not special. He’s been the #2 or 3 option on every team he’s ever been on because he’s not a great route runner or even a deep threat (surprising for a guy who is so fast). He is a fun gadget player who is a way better version of what McKenzie was supposed to be.
Claypool has the most upside of any player left and seems like he’s proving it in camp. I hope he finally puts it all together and isn’t just a nice preseason story.
MVS is a deep threat who drops a lot of catchable balls. I don’t think he’s a lock to make the team but he’s a big deep threat so he’s safer than most.
Hollins is the special teams dude captain that McDermott loves. On most teams he wouldn’t be a lock but he probably is with our safe conservative head coach.
Hamler had all world potential. He is just never healthy. If he’s finally healthy I’d leapfrog him into the top 4 discussion because of his skill set to break the top off the d and ability to score a TD any time the ball is in his hands either punt return or catching the ball from Josh.
it’s a much deeper WR room than last year which is good because of injuries but it’s not “better”. Diggs, even if last year was a down year, is a true #1 type WR who has mastered route running and outside of last year was always clutch in big moments. Hopefully someone steps up to be that guy this year but I was hoping we traded up for that guy in Odunze in the draft (not bitching because I’m sure it was discussed but too expensive)
I am quietly optimistic about this years WR room but I am not expecting anyone to be a true #1 target at WR. If anything I think that guy will be Kincaid
our best wr room is always the room we have in June when they are full of potential-
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9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
So we will pretend that his then $10M salary for playing wasn't enough to render such potential cost irrelevant.
I'm sure Henry's "can't swap jersey because it costs $300 so I gotta wear this one to threads" excuse comes off rather lame to his fellow players who know he makes 6 figures(or even 7 figures some seasons) in NFLPA licensing annually (much of that from his personal jersey sales).
He's getting paid for his jerseys........Henry might see a nice spike there this year with his team change.
Dude just doesn't want to swap jerseys. It's a good excuse. Good for him, it's lame.
In Tom Brady's last season he made almost $10M in NFLPA licensing money.
Fans don't hear about those earnings. They aren't part of their "salary".
yea, the post as an argument is a bit “but ackshuallly” guyas a random trivia tidbit, fine enough, but to argue cost with the entire season running at a fraction of a percent of his salary when paired with the jerseys received are all worth more than the cost is an eye roll
Jordan Love 4 yrs 220 million
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it’s why you can’t let them sit for years. They are basically past all the perks of the rookie contract