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Right, the future guarantee that no one would want to pay travelled with the player not an already paid sum that hasn’t been accounted for the inverse wouldn’t happen as it’s both worse for the player and the team

Dead money is generally money you’ve already paid but not yet taken a cap hit for. there’s no getting out of accounting for money you paid a guy. sometimes it’s a future guarantee but rarely - that you could negotiate technically

I think the more interesting conversation is if we stayed out, took someone else, and whether the saints snagged mahomes. I don’t think mahomes is a success had we taken him with that support (staff and roster) for multiple years before tooling up the offense

looking annually, doesn’t it essentially always come a good clip above preliminary estimates? I won’t say I track it religiously or anything but almost every year it feels like we see this late update and all the people saying “how in the world do certain teams spend like they do? this will be the year it catches up!” have to wait another year.

though they picked up a guy with the skill set to potentially be as good or better, if he does actually perform at projected potential could’ve been just about anyone. The dude has about as much leg talent and potential as anyone- why not take a cheap swing at him to see if you can steal a few years cheap

weird right. Almost like it was a pretty easy move to make

I’ll say I think he’s more in the 2 for 15 area as a goal and might not be that. wouldn’t be shocked if after musical chairs he ends up getting humbled if his expectations are 10+ and he ends up settling for even less than that (see cook, dalvin) while I get where your at quoting thing like “6 straight years over….” I think you are neglecting that many GMs will be of the mindset that “6 straight years of heavy usage” is actually a negative not a positive for his contract negotiation I’ve said repeatedly I don’t think he’s my own major target but when you look at subbing him in and pulling the dollars from Hines/harty it’s not terribly upsetting if Brady would rather grind a bit instead of having gadget guys cheap way to save Josh some hits, and defenses definitely wouldn’t look forward to playing the bills

to also be clear my point wasn’t that we’d avoid him for age, but that the nfl won’t be paying him for stats two years ago. the core of my post was asking you to define a number for what you actually think his contract looks like. I truly find that phrases like “mid tier rb money” can mean WILDLY different things to different posters. the 13-20th (ie +/-4 guys from mid point of top 32) highest paid backs on average contract value, for instance, is a range of 2.25m-4m. I suspect your number is substantially above that

define mid level rb salary- as I think that’s where a lot of the expectations diverge in this thread Also, what a heavily used back did at 28 doesn’t matter much at 30

though we may see him not get the big bucks and need a cheaper place to sit. likely above our target but could be far less than I think most are imagining

I don’t think it’s likely but there is a difference in waiting moved this year: $0 cash spent $31m cap hits moved next year: $19m cash spent, $50m in cap hits absorbed ultimately, if given the choice of vet band aids, do we like diggs on a 1 year 19m deal, or do you prefer a guy in the “Hopkins” realm of options, or mike evans if throwing a real name the sunk cost is the sunk cost, right? So do you pay him 19m for 1 year, or do you get creative with accounting tools to find an alternate to that? A little less concrete in the opinion there, but imagine it’s likely they stay put unless the drama behind the scenes is truly taxing or there’s worry about whatever caused the dip in production

I think you would need to see a guy blackmailed with drugs, affairs, OTHER UNRELATED GAMBLING Offenses that he doesn’t want made public etc… at the nfl level.

I don’t think he will get cheap so much as the years will be short and non guaranteed

The man was given infinite opportunity with an elite quarterback. I’m not sure what opportunity we didn’t afford him to reach his potential

Yup- if voiding to a single season a 2 year deal spreads the signing bonus 50-50 a 3 would end up hitting 33-67 a 4 would be 25-75 on the signing bonus a 5 would be 20-80

he’s doing the same thing most (all?) successful teams are doing with the cap though there’s a philosophy called cash to cap you might love

it left us space to make in season moves, and if we don’t make those moves we can roll over the cap space to cover it as a net zero in 2024. literally all it does in a vacuum is give more flexibility. it’s only when you spend every last dollar and do so on bad players that it’s a hindering move. By itself though you should amortize money into future years basically whenever possible and then see if you need the flexibility or just roll it

it’s also true that most “bad” cap situations can turn around pretty quickly. It isn’t the 5 year rebuild that bills fans were once sold. Often a single challenging (but competitive) year can get a team with a franchise qb reloaded

Whoever we sign will be in addition. It’s simply accounting for bonus money paid last year. And also if you don’t spend the money saved, you just roll over the extra cap space to cover it the following year

my one “it’s all Monopoly money” signing is mike evans. I’d love it so much but know it’s unlikely. that catch radius, attitude and experience would be big.

classic rock and a hard place, man….

picturing jimmy listening to a classic rock ballad staring into the distance now. odds the raiders found a way to have him randomly tested?

I think you’ve tipped into excusing too much and trying to create a narrative. Can guys play deeper into their career based on better sports science (both upkeep and repairs) and fewer hits? Sure. is Lamar a guy I’m pointing at while saying rivers etc… took too many big hits? Probably not the dude that’s going deep into his 40s I feel ok saying you’ll probably see a few more guys touch 40 than usual but it’s not the expectation suddenly to be playing top shelf ball then agree here. We’ve added a third full length contract as the expectation to be able to complete (or come close) but not a 4th

it’s often easy to say it’s “their problem to fix” and “they aren’t doing enough” but in the same breathe those people insult the various programs, etc… that do try to help (and this isn’t singling out shredder, I don’t know him at all, just happens to be the poster you quoted) And both sides have great people that are dealing with “but I didn’t do anything wrong and I’m trying to do right why are you pointing a finger at me” it’s a big messy situation where there is no instant fix to inner city violence just like we aren’t fixing rural opioid addiction and it’s effects over night. And surely we don’t expect everyone “on the other side” to be able or willing to work with us but we also seem to single out the people who don’t want to work with us as representing the entire other side. there are interesting studies on politics where we think the worst 1% on our team are crazy outliers that should be ignored but the worst 1% on the other side are average representatives the whole group. Likewise our best 1% are our average representative while the opposing best 1% are the crazy outlier.

Oh yea, you stretch far enough back and it’s barely comparing the same game/same position, right? what’s the best car of all time, the Tesla or the model t? Sure they are both cars, and can be compared to others in their era but it almost feels silly to rank them against each other