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But ultimately, Beane isn’t the bread winner in my house so if he gets fired and in 3 years someone else takes a swing... big deal? Im not pointing this one at you but there seem to be some posters that are scared that if we miss we are about to start another decade without a chance at the playoffs. It’s not ideal but it’s not the end of the world as long as you are willing to move on from the bust

The giants literally won the Super Bowl with their “nascar” package that featured edge rushers moving inside. That’s how they beat the patriots, who Miami plays twice every year. Again, not a franchise changing move here in my opinion but not crazy either

To be fair, I’ll again point out I never discussed QB in those posts... but if you want me to, I’ll bite... Yes, top QBs often bust. It’s the toughest position to transition and they often land with talentless disfunctional franchises. know what also sucks? Drafting guys that are second to third tier qb prospects. But, again, only putting the success rates of guys in the top 5 and not having a comp point for guys taken later (say day 2) makes that hard to discuss as I pointed out. Yes- going out and making a move might be the end of Beane but surely not crippling for the franchise. We just cut/traded/didn’t re-sign every day one and two pick made across 4-5 years and still made the playoffs.

I’d rather they get fired trying to get a star qb than be 7 years in and .500 with 3 wildcard games and 1 playoff win

My post contains both the letter Q and letter B... but never together. My point was that you used a measure that is hard to quantify, totally subjective to your own judgement which likely contains some bias, and has no comparative data to make a judgement against. Essentially you took a lot a lot of time to confirm something for yourself but not in a terribly meaningful way

Now compare that to the bottom half? and, be honest, is it possible you also skewed some judgement calls down to help find what you were looking for? What’s a hit vs a so-so? and the top half all being perennial pro bowlers would require about 150 pro bowl slots and no one else getting in.... which leads me to believe your expectations are a bit off.

That they understand the cap better than you? Not that fishy.

Because those things are only partially related? landry was likely gone and a think a good chance of suh too— so you start filling that hole and a guy like Quinn is a very good player and didn’t cost high picks (read: cheap talent). You can still add another vet to help the offense and come out in a similar spot financially and still have the first two days of your draft in tact and didn’t have to pay a monster signing bonus to a pass rusher im not saying it’s great but I’m not going to pretend it’s awful either The dolphins have no long term commitment to him and didn’t sink a high pick into it. If they gave him a fat signing bonus - sure, some risk. As is- not terribly risky.

Yea but before that he had 40 sacks over 3 years sooooo hes a very good player.

Hes an absolute prototype for 43 DE. Dude checked every box and then some coming out. Blew my mind how worried people were with the final year issue in college

But why not simply have that conversation in person first instead of publicly online?

Changing body type or skill set is different than this though. what do defenses suddenly start doing on 4th down?

I was about to guess you went there but then remembered you are just a normal sized midget- certainly not the tallest.

In one offseason we released, traded or didn’t resign a solid 4 years of 1st/2nd round draft picks sammy (x2), dareus, ej, Gilmore kujo, Darby, Ragland, woods, aaron Williams I’m not arguing you keep all of them but it’s a truly astonishing volume when put into context and it’s not all busts by any means

Yup. When you gut a roster of almost every day 1 and day 2 pick for a 5+ year run in one offseason, it becomes that type of process. If we don’t intend to move up and NAIL the draft it could be expedited but agreed fully

I don’t think it’ll be huge signings but some mid tier guys

We will see - long way to go before getting one this year for Gaines

That, but are also safer.

They consider coming here because they are thevstarter until unseated and we may not get that rookie.

And this is why you don’t sprint to cut taylor, create 10m in dead money and give out a contract like this to another mediocre qb.

Frankly, I’m down to do a guy like ivory AND a day 2 rookie with the prospect of Tyrod and a rookie qb. Lets have a strong and diverse group of backs that can succeed over the next couple years if this is who we are

Signing mario wasn’t bad... but really I think transitioning to having a real GM instead of the Marv/Brandon/littman/committee was the biggest. We are now a .500 club that functions at a basic Nfl level. We don’t stand out good or bad organizationally. money is the biggest. Scheme fit and opportunity to shine next comfort in the city and such behind there and means different things to different players. 1) money 2) future money 3) everything else. when we were a mess we weren’t giving out #1 and were jeopardizing #2... and were bad with #3 but were already far behind in the game — but we’ve generally been better about that for awhile.

And in that analogy a day 3 pick is akin to a rock or a stick. If we are giving up massive compensation and that tiny value is the dealbreaker and we can’t roll in a slightly higher pick, a next year pick, player, extra late round picks, etc.... we weren’t winning the fight to begin with

If we are unable to replace a 4th rounder in a compensation package - we don’t deserve the qb. Its like saying we cant buy a new car because we went out for lunch last week. Maybe we skip some other minor expense and don’t buy coffee today but it shouldn’t effect the MAJOR commitments

I think an early day three pick would be great here. Receivers are costly on the open market and unreliable late in the draft. To get a guy with his ability on rookie pay scale is a huge win for a team that absolutely gutted the roster of cheap talent. You are right - we shouldn’t sign anyone til May