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Flip side is on a 4 year 4m deal... if you get even 1 season out of him it’s good cash value and what’s the success rate of a day two pick? If he’s there late 2 early 3 I would rather take the risk on him potentially falling apart than a project coming together. Just manage expectations accordingly always feel bad for running backs. I know, only so bad for the kid getting multi millions here but jeeeze is it ever tough compared to their peers in the league at other spots.

I hate to say it but as a mid round pick you aren’t looking at a ten year investment, you are beating the kid up for cheap for a couple years.... anything after that is a super bonus. If this allows him to play a rookie contract it wouldnt effect where i take him at all

I suspect you would learn to love hating him quickly

Im not sure you speak for most. I think it’s a stretch to say even most here have watched a lot of his games to fully grasp the scheme he was in.... and this is a tiny sliver of the most obsessive fans.

Its definitely a layered and nuanced discussion that my one liner does little justice for.... all you wrote can be true. Impulse control, delayed gratification etc... are major. Also there are those that are self sabotaging and others that don’t actually want to be football players that said, there are a variety of reasons besides addiction that a kid would potentially blow this chance.

Theres a difference between an addict and simply not caring

The funny thing is, it would 100% happen naturally but no harm in them spearheading it

I recall when VY was so untrusted withgame situations and reads that he couldn’t audible and was not allowed to call timeouts without permission from the sideline I’ll contend that TT has major pre snap issues too and was often untrusted by coaches

I dunno - those two from Cleveland would be mighty appealing, and the points work out: 4+1=5 get Russ on the phone we need to get ahead of this

Yea but for the first time in 20 years we’ve caught up to league trends. Chan and buddy would’ve been talking about the process 3 years from now....

It would seem to be a pretty good mistake by the giants. Youd be giving the guy top 5 money at his position fully guaranteed. At what point do you just get a top vet in free agency or via trade of any lower pick. To pass on a package of 3 firsts would be terrible even if barkley is excellent

Its simple math really

He’s 100% right

So maybe don’t tear down all the buildings the first morning if you can’t start rebuilding them by night? Or some other goofy cliche...

Best case scenario his mom didn’t prep him properly.... and if you read that 3 times and think it’s not worrisome i don’t know what to tell you. worst case is he’s either very low IQ, has a noteworthy learning disability (not insurmountable) or just didn’t care. i know you make up your mind and dig in til the bitter end no matter what comes out.... but this is a major red flag and a team needs to be able to answer why it happened and why it won’t happen in their system before taking him. Some might believe they have it, and others may not care... but any good GM needs to know both answers to pull that trigger. Sorry to call you a bad gm John.

Do you really think theres zero red flag with that score?

You think it’s his last year and they should limit his touches in the biggest moments and you are giving it some thought? For pick 32 you trip over yourself to sign the paper and fax it in twice just to be safe.

Which is fine for some guys... but some truly seemed “we’re doing this 100% on our own” ragland might’ve been a guy they were too eager to turnover from the old regime as his contract was peanuts and talent better than most similarly priced guys.

Most of my questions don’t even pertain to the fight.

Decided not to go through with making another account?

Whatever the driver - that 10 months from now we might have 100% flipped the roster is astonishing. Especially given the gm that led last offseason included hiring the new coach. Did McD tell pegs that his evaluation of the roster was so poor that he’d need 53 new faces in 2 offseasons? all that’s left on offense today are miller, mills, McCoy clay and O’Leary defense has Kyle, Hughes, zo, Shaq and Washington. Its possible not one makes 2019 I agree it’s silly to think it’s spite but it’s amazing to see how little survived

But in a very scheme specific role. He’s be great as a thumper under schwartz for instance but not so much sideline to sideline for us. for a blow off pick though - I’d take 3 years of him in goal line or “and short” packages and think he’d still be better than most league minimum backups in case of injury despite scheme challenges...

Even if not a fit as a starter, I probably would’ve kept him as a package player on that cheap contract and realistically Little trade compensation but not a huge deal

The flip side is what if we were a 6-7 win team last year that was lucky with bounces and health and such.... the gap from 3 or so wins to 9 wins can be a McCoy ankle, tre white knee and not getting a call like the Marty ice fumble. Roll in questions at qb and who knows where we go

If that’s how you feel why are you linking it?