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In the wide receiver room we are running out: 7th rookie off the board 35th(?) paid veteran wr making less than our not good enough WR2 last year and last years wr3

I’d take that bet without pause

the only downside is Josh took on covering a lot of that deficit down the stretch which makes this a tough discussion. We could put weo, doc and Shakir out there at wr and probably field something better than several teams because we have Josh…. But is it a winner in January?

yup. And Samuel can be inside, outside, backfield, in motion. I think a lot of folks are expecting a lot out of rookie WR7 early. I also think a lot of people are building in razor thin margins for error or injury when building out their distributions of snaps/targets etc…

not to single you out but man… guys going to st brown as a comp for our less than ideal athleticism at wr is our new Brady was drafted in the 6th. we are going to have to find some second and third tier comparables to call out in that style - surely there are a ton of more realistic names to toss out

Obviously wildly oversimplified but not the worst version I think Shakir can be a “starter” but I don’t think we have the right complimentary piece to put beside him if you were designing an offense with him at WR2. Having a dude that backs up safeties opposite him would let him feast underneath in a different way.

((I think the original post you replied to about the ordering was a joke, sir))

who are we to argue the experts

that he seemingly lost his leg mid season sure does indicate a possible injury but if hurt why in the world didn’t they pick someone up and let him heal for a bit? if not hurt, they seemingly lost a ton of confidence in him which is also worrisome. it’s a lose-lose for evaluating last years results but hopefully he plays better this year honestly that kick worries me less than how they used him the entire back half of the season

the word seems to be Kraft was not coming because it would be uncomfortable for both him and Brady but then he was a surprise in the crowd when comics went on stage so I suspect this was a genuinely awkward human moment

that’s code for being able to do things no one else can but not being able to carry that load for 20 weeks of full games. It’s the same reason his stats in December/January are great - take him off the leash and he’s next level elite

I mean projections for the last many years have been spot on minus like 2-3 picks being off by a round? frustrating, sure. lifes unknowable mysteries? Not really.

Yea but that’s cause it’s closest to the sideline which was easier on his knees, and feet and ankles and

And you had to learn quite a few words along the way too I bet

and not finishing a May practice could be even drastically lower a standard

someday mrags is going to give us his golden post. A true game changer for bills fans far and wide.

yup. Especially hard on families if they only get a year out of them. I think we just started keons closet, a take one/leave one winter coat charity.

But that’s the thing. With 3 other potential starting caliber players, they aren’t counting on him in any meaningful way. He’d be all upside for the roster. They could manage snaps, etc… and maximize his impact while limiting his exposure my gut is he may be a “stay in shape and we have you on speed dial” guy in case of injury

oh no worries just thought I’d share extra through’s. A coats super appreciated a few weeks a year but that’s a lot of money for some families for just a few weeks.

I’ll contain it to the top 4 WR still as that was the claim - written another way… are we thinking rookie WR7 is a top 15 receiver in the league and Samuel is an upgrade of note despite being much cheaper than the guy he’s replacing? i think both players will have fun flashes but I think saying this is our best group is perhaps…. Optimistic.

if Shakir is a massive piece he’s going to be too expensive and this was the year to draft likely developmental guy to replace him in 2 years (similar to Davis and Shakir requiring 2 years to be trusted)

you think Coleman-Shakir-Samuel-hollins is “as good as anyone we have had here in some time”?

also, sure his contract expired but at that tier, a team can basically own the decision with any modest offer. So that he’s here means they definitely let him walk. not to speak for Kirby but I think sometimes there are a few of us that express frustration and people read that as 3-14 doom and gloom instead of unlikely to overtake the champion and win one ourselves doom and gloom. I fully expect us to be very competitive as long as Josh holds up in one piece. Though I think we will need to ask him to shoulder more and for longer to make results happen this year and that’s worrisome.

a few thoughts- doesn’t have to be his home town certainly get some chilly days. We had some stretches in the 20s this year. Not just being uncommon but also being a damp windy cold can be real unpleasant. And plenty of places are designed to filter heat away from people to combat the summer (high ceilings, not great heat systems etc…) last up- if uncertain how to put food on the table are you skipping meals to buy a coat for a short winter or just telling kids to layer up with some undershirts and a hoodie?

He’s comparing this years bills to last years contenders not this years contenders I think until proven otherwise we are the weakest group on that list but that doesn’t mean it’s an insurmountable gap- Kincaid steps forward, Coleman shows up and we can be in the mix with Josh. But it underscores that we are a half step behind and it’ll likely be an uphill battle.