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he also may be a good presence for not just Keon but also dalton too

some less talked about names I think Bynum could be sneaky instead of holland adebo? nothing about him fits but for some reason chase young sits as a guy that I suspect is higher on their list than mine. Haason reddick might be a devalued swing at getting pressure without paying 30m I wouldn’t be SHOCKED by Kupp instead of cooper/hollins

I’ll go ahead and say it… Pickens? realistically, I think kupp or cooper end up our guy on the carousel… depending on what was behind the scenes last year

absolutely won’t last 5 years but that allows them to fully amortize the signing bonus for the max of 5 years id bet he’s like 60-70 but you never know. Really doubt it’s past 60% (ie 3 years)

he has been a 4 quarters instead of a dollar kind of guy outside miller. you hope that situation doesn’t sour him on the huge swings you sometimes need

it’s not like he’s with a franchise that’s refusing to spend or is cheating out. They missed on von due to injury and diggs wore out his welcome a year early -

yea, I guess he’s a great receiver like parsons is a great end? Maybe not the 100% polished and complete player but does the premium part of the job with top tier skill? And a guy that can press down field and keep safeties deep is our weakest piece of the offense too.

not sure about “finally admits” I think beane himself would’ve said in private the day of the injury that he put chips on the table and lost the hand on this one. sometimes they just don’t work out. The tire blows on the car and you are left limping to the nearest exit ramp. Today we reached it.

easy to create narratives. We will see. The oft article references the lack of charges after discussions with a third party. I haven’t followed this one closely but in plenty of spots a simple allegation will get cuffs on you without much confirmation. could be exactly what you said. Could be the proverbial extortion gone poorly nearly as easily though. Domestic stuff can be terribly messy and tough to assume about

I don’t dislike the guy… it’s just really difficult roster construction unless he really breaks out. And he hasn’t. and your comparison is a guy that was a backup for 3 years and got 13.5 in his first year starting. Not really a fair career arc to compare totals for. if you compare him to 64 starting DEs, above average. If you use top 32 edge rushers… gets rough. Hard to find a path to the top 10 which means you are quickly talking “average” as a ceiling. In no particular order perusing my memory and typing on my phone… Garrett, Crosby, bosa, watt, Hutchinson, burns, Anderson, Allen, m sweat, hunter, Hendrickson, bonnitto, parsons… is this range with like chubb, van ginkel, van noy, the young pair in LA, the old guys in LA, karlaftis where we start to get debate on whether we pick Rousseau as our pass rusher if it’s 4th and 10 in the 4th quarter of the AFCCG next year and we need a stop to win the game? surely we could debate a few guys there but the range generally seems “in the teens” which is pretty definitionally average

he’s roughly average to slightly below for a primary pass rusher. a veteran roster can only pay so many of “those guys” and still have the elite guys getting 35-40M put another way, would you rather cycle guys like Josh sweat/floyd/etc… on short deals and add a $30m guy, or are we better with groot/shakir? personally I think having a couple true cornerstones and cycling lower tier vets and draft picks is my preferred but see miller, vonn for how it can go wrong

yea I think we have always had a bit of debate on a couple super stars vs extra 2nd/3rd tier strong role players at some point I still think you need 2-3 guys that change the entire field. We have Josh… but shakir and groot don’t keep a coordinator up at night trying to figure out how to contain them while still playing to their own strengths. Oliver gets closer to that but isn’t Chris jones or Aaron Donald. we need to find that guy on the DL and would like to see a pass catcher of some variety that gets much closer to that tier.

rice absolutely did.

or at least a poll for what our group wedding present will be

and in our division, the best part of that is .500 would’ve taken the crown last year. We won’t always win by 5 games by going 3-1 every month but there’s a reality that if we lose Josh for 4-6 weeks we probably aren’t chasing the 1 seed and are resigned to winning a very winnable division and letting the rest shake out in the playoffs with Josh back the difference between the 2 seed and a barely .500 4 seed is one game home vs away. load up a playoff roster and have a marginally passable backup that won’t go 0-6 and miss completely.

the real dream would be scoring more than 31 AND Josh taking fewer hits running

essentially trading him out for miller in a similar pay for production type deal- maybe a possibility. I’d rather his upside than VM at this point

I ought to invite you to my fantasy football league if you like that lineup

marquis brown is coming off 1 year 7m and didn’t improve his stock. so like 2 Hollywood browns and some coin leftover or cook

ill continue to say that part of his support here is because we are lacking explosive guys on the perimeter. Theres a fear if he goes that there’s no electricity left outside JA17

it’s basically impossible to have a guy that’s predictably a stud DE go at 30 you are taking either character or injury risks or forecasting them to outshine their measurables there

well it’s like a top 2-3 pass rusher vs a very middle of the pack WR1, right? we are just talking a much better overall player at what might be an even larger need.

I mean I think his points simply that it makes it unlikely they hop in the market for say maybe a DK metcalf/higgins (or who knows who else comes loose) now that they have McClaurin/deebo not that a 5 or the cash is crushing to them- just that they are probably done in the “elite wr” market and he didn’t like Deebo in that bracket

he’s had geno throwing to him

so I get why your head jumped to that “truism” of sorts but it definitely doesn’t match the thought process of my post. the problem I had is we already spent premium resources on pass catchers that target similar areas and he was the expiring contract that those guys more cheaply replace compared to that extension and it’s absolutely no knock on him - it’s just we have spent consecutive firsts on guys that compete in the same space while already having Knox under contract too… but Keon and Dalton haven’t come in on fire so it’s much harder to see shakir walk so you can spend the money on a deep threat or whatever else you have to think if you gave beane truth serum that last July his ideal 2025 offseason included letting Shakir walk because Keon/dalton/samuel really covered all the things he brought and he could spend 15m per year elsewhere. They did not answer that convincingly and he played very well - and we see a roster with a little weird blip in its natural progression here. is $15m per for Shakir fair? Surely seems in the ballpark but probably not how our roster intended to move forward to its next phase.