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Excellent point about accuracy. An excellent arm is a nice bonus, but what really counts is the ability to put the ball on target.
Regarding the leadership/maturity questions, multiple sources opine that these "maturity concerns" are really nothing more than "I don't like him because he played for Notre Dame and he kinda looks like a jerk, doesn't he?".
His teammates voted him captain, and they all swear by his leadership and work ethic. He led 4 game winning drives last season. That's enough for me to dismiss any unsubstantiated hokum from "draft experts" about maturity concerns.
I think it does speak volumes that people have come out on his behalf, and that he was voted a captain. On the flip side, a QB being voted captain happens on a pretty regular basis, regardless of character, ability, or anything beyond the title of starting qb. How many captains have started the season only to be benched half way through here in Buffalo the last couple years? I also love the fact that it seems he has a passion for the game even off the field. This could be the "everyone must have a weakness so this is what we are picking since we cant find it on the field."
I think throwing the questions out totally is a little extreme to the other side though. Thats why I framed it as leadership questions, not leadership issues.
The questions are out there, and I dont think we as fans will ever truly know one way or the other who he is in a locker room, a huddle, or sitting in a dorm room. Tate coming out helps his stock too -- gets his name into these articles as a kid who is willing to battle for his QB. Mays coming out could be traced back to the agent. Am I saying either one is lying? Not at all, but in being critical of the statements, you have to look at if there could be motivation to say what they are beyond the goodness of their hearts.
What I can say is that based on his play, I am confident that he will be able to put the ball where he wants it, and based on his work ethic he will learn where it needs to be at the next level. Whether or not his teammates will like him will have a lot to do with things I will never be able to see personally. On field success goes a long way to respect though, even if it turns out he is a jerk.
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#1- kelly is a paid "ambassador" of the bills......his job is to smooze.
#2- kelly said he "liked" Tebow....who doesn't ?? (most think he's worth at least a 3rd rounder or better)
#3- kelly made it perfectly clear that he was not qualified to put a "grade" , draft round recommendation or a comparison to other players at other positions.
I agree with all of this -- its a fine line to walk though. I think sometimes he has stumbled over it a little bit. Example being calling out Trent in his original call for tebow. Whether or not you agree with him, I dont think its his place.... I do think hes earned a couple free passes, and a slip up here and there isnt a huge deal, as long as it isnt a major offense. I also appreciate that he came back to the comments, and toned them down some, admitting he isnt a scout, he just likes the guy based on what he does know.
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Agree.
My three "take a flyer" candidates are Zac Robinson, Perriloux, and Brian Babin.
pleeeeease stay away from perriloux! theres a reason he got kicked off LSU -- high talent guys get there problems covered up/fixed in a place like baton rouge. it speaks volumes that he couldnt stick with the team, both in his on-field and off-field issues.
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said it before, say it again:
If he's there I believe he'll be the Bills pick.
If he's gone I hope that the Bills do not pick a QB until we get to the 'take a flyer' rounds.
Hes growing on me. You cant help but be concerned about the leadership/maturity questions, but its hard to judge whats real in the locker room as a fan. What you can say is accuracy running a pro style offense will almost no doubt transfer over. For all the talk of arm strength I think that accuracy is often overlooked. Its nice to throw a ball a mile but being able to anticipate a receivers route and place the ball exactly where you want it is crucial at the NFL level. The windows get much tighter, and if you cant fit passes in at a college level, why would you think it would work against pros.
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If you look at the trending in weight it has been consistently downward, with some hiccups. If it continues to be 3 steps forward, 1 step back, 2 steps forward, 1 step back, im not nearly as concerned as if he starts putting on major weight.
also -- cody put up 485 on the bench at bama -- if i remember correctly.
heres a link to an article, some worries me, some gives a lot of confidence.... ill pull a few quotes. Its from before he even got to bama. I think I would be more concerned about his shy/homesick factor then his weight issues. I think if the weight does become an issue it will be from a depression standpoint, not a "i signed my check now lets eat up" source. It seems he has a lot of growing to do as a man, but it also seems like he has a pretty good head on his shoulders to start out. I think after dad died, and mom was supporting a large family (dont quote me but i think its like 6-7 siblings), i think it is easy to find yourself slacking on school, not taking care of his body -- i also think its very impressive for him to realize his opportunities and get eligible academically, and come so far physically to be healthy enough to play.
http://alabama.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=806609
When MGCCC's players maxed out in the weight room in the spring of 2007, Cody put up 400 on the bench press, but couldn't max out on the squat rack. He handled 660 pounds with little trouble, but the Bulldogs coaching staff wasn't comfortable with the degree to which the bar would bend if Cody had tried a 700-pound squat.
But while MGCCC coaches saw plenty of potential in Cody, their initial expectations were very reserved.
"First day of practice, we didn't expect him to make it through the first five minutes," said Campbell. "We're sure he's going to be cramped up under the tent with all the rest of them that are too heavy. You figure anyone that big has their problems - high blood pressure, dehydration, hurt all the time, can't move - whatever. Well, in two years here, he never missed one period of practice. Never cramped or dehydrated once."
Cody was never eligible for the Pop Warner youth leagues in Ft. Myers because he was always over the weight limit. So when he first arrived at Riverdale as a freshman in the fall of 2002, he was 6-4, 285 pounds, but didn't even know what it felt like to strap a helmet on. By the end of that season, he had been promoted to Riverdale's varsity squad and was already dominating. Classroom struggles, however, nearly sank his football career before it ever launched. He was academically ineligible as a sophomore and again as a junior, a by-product of, in his words, "running with the wrong crowd." It was little wonder, then, that college recruiters had never heard of Terrence Cody when he was a senior, and Jones had to sell MGCCC on him just to open one last door for his career. Not much, apparently, has ever come easy. "His dad died when he was 11, and he had some weird things going on at home, and ended up being taken in by another family," Jones said. Jones personally tutored Cody back to eligibility for his senior season at Riverdale, and two years of rust came off quickly.
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Until someone steps up and beats Kelly's accomplishments on the field he remains in a leadership role with the Bills. I love his passion for the team and the city.
I think we all love what he did on the field, and his passion, but that doesnt include drafting/rating players. I am sure he watched a lot of tape on qbs, so his opinion does hold some extra weight, but lets be honest -- would you rather have a guy that was a successful player, or a guy that is a successful scout make the call? Neither is a lock but ill take my chance with the guy that has earned the position by evaluating players.
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He's only 31 I think...truth be told, you can be a fat DT/NT and be effective as a space clogger for a looooooooong time in the NFL.
See Sapp, Warren or Washington, Ted.
If the Bills end up trading for Shaun Rogers, I would think they would wait until the 5th round or later to draft a NT.
I think sapp, warren was the opposite of a space clogger.
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there has been zero news off field with him.
could he finally get it?
i see us giving him one last shot with chan gailey.
in an open cometition is fred really better?
could be interesting
Its true, since that weird incident with the $20 there hasnt been anything... that was what, about 2 months ago now? If he can make it 4 more now. I think hes a good runner, but lets be honest, it march and we are celebrating him not being arrested yet. I think that says something.
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Maybe a change of scenery would be good for him
i mean, its not impossible, we will see what happens with hargrove but being in new orleans has been incredible for him thus far.
even if hes not 100%, he could be a good option, barring him having a total meltdown. i guess thats the hard part to predict, and it can be very hard on a locker room to watch someone go through that though.
I feel for the guy either way.
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So, he's a Bill, just not signed yet??
$18mil?? Wow. Probably back-loaded with a lot of incentives..
NIIIICE!!
If i had to guess, it would be just the opposite. Probably a lot of money in the form of roster bonuses this year to get the cash on the books in an uncapped year.
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Was he THAT good at Alabama? I really didn't see them play much. I will say his lack of interest in the weight room shows a lack of commitment to his profession, so I am concerned there. But we do need a wide body. The semi-informed "experts" on Sirius do not like Cody until the 3rd/4th round and like Cam Thomas better.
i mean, he set the bench record at bama, and has lost 50+ lbs in the last two years. I dont know if you can call that a lack of interest. In interviews he came out and said he didnt know the most basic of training and weight loss strategies before going to alabama. Simple things like eating breakfast to start his metabolism, or that eating late at night was worse for you then during the day. Simple things that are like obvious to most of us, but if he wasnt taught them.... how would he know.
There are definitely red flags, but for every question mark there seems to be a reason to believe that it may have just been a poor upbringing and hes on the right track.
he seems like a high quality kid, and id be thrilled to get him.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=4984943
This article talks about the wonderlic test that players take at the combine and how Tebow scored below average. Who cares? Dan Marino and Jim Kelly scored a 15 on the wonderlic and look how they turned out. On the other hand, Matt Leinart scored high on the wonderlic and look where that got him.
The combine becomes more irrelevant more every year.
The combine "test scores" is not whats important. Its a learning process. A kid running fast or scoring high is certainly an indicator of things to come, but its an opportunity to learn about the kids on a different level. Do they prepare hard, do they respond to adversity, how do they interact with each other.... and yes, how fast do they run, how many reps can they bench, can they digest information for a test like the wonderlic.
Its like going into an interview for a new job, the person with the highest GPA in college isnt always the best, nor is the one that had an internship at the best company but its all elements in the overall process. These are all college kids going in for interviews, and in just so happens these are the processes they go through. Theres no one indicator that will predict success, but that doesnt mean the interview process is worthless or irrelevant to scouts.
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Kinda like Maybin suddenly weighing 250 for last year's combine, huh?
Artificial weight gain/loss is just that. That doesn't mean Cody might not be an excellent player -- I'll leave that evaluation up to those who get paid to make those decisions -- but people should not put much stock in short term weight changes.
I mean, yea, the last 5-15 might be flux weight for him but hes down from an official 410, 2 years ago, and reportedly upwards of 420 plus. This isnt just a 3 week diet for him.
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LOL! Yes, a super star QB being charged a second time with sexual misconduct sure seems "typical," eh doc? One allegation of sexual misconduct is possibly a frivolous charge. A second may also be one, but it also possibly points to Big Ben perpetuating his stupid/immature/thuggish behavior. That AND the fact that he's a super star QB (and thus held to a higher standard than the average player) merits at least a sit-down with Big Rog, dontcha think? Or is it different for him, for some reason?
Well, I have to agree and disagree. I think what is happening deserves to be watched closely, and depending on what comes out, it could be very serious. Even the most innocent of explanations for Ben with the girl making stuff up -- he needs to get wise and learn from these situations. The thing now is that he has not been charged in EITHER. If all it took was two woman to allege something like that to get an All-star suspended, then I would hate to be among the Tom Brady's of the world the next few years. All it would take is some loony fan to accuse her rivals star player, with or without merit. Until something more comes out, its hard to act on anything. I would bet theres been some sort of contact between Ben/attorney and Roger/NFL Attorneys, just not the media parade of the pac man sitdowns.
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TMZ reported that the chick was hysterical (as in very distraught, not hilarious) when she reported the incident to the police, which was very soon after the incident occurred. Unlike the last incident with Big ben, evidence was actually collected. Guilty or not Big Ben has got to be the biggest dumb@$$ in the world for putting himself in another situation like this. His reputation is going to take a huge hit even if he gets cleared of all charges.
the fact that shes 20, and his crew was allegedly handing out drinks on his tab all night will not help him either.
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I dont know about the entire line, but im a fan of my schecter -- it was a very pleasant surprise with just how good it is for the price.
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Just cause they gave him $500k doesn't mean he'll be on the opening day roster. They must feel they have a use for him. They've already shown that they're willing to part with guys like Reed whom they feel they don't have a use for..........
also, just cause the base will be a 3-4.... truly the team could end up only having the depth to handle 1-2 injuries in the front 7 before they have to use a lot more 4-3. if one or two of the new OLB's go down early, we could very well see 4-3 as a much larger percentage of the snaps.
if they dont think they can get a more talented/reliable player on the roster, then keep him and work around what you do have for the year -- instead of picking a scheme and forcing less talented players to run it. i am hoping they have a general direction, but will maximize talent on the roster, and scheme around that for the time being.
its just sad that our line is so depleted that kelsey might be that talent, if only for this year....
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Also (in addition to his rep as a lazy player), hasn't he played his whole career as a 4-3 end? I could be mistaken but I think that is the case.
Anyways, free agency always seem to spur the with "players that I've heard of" phenomenon.
But it's an interesting thought.
He has always played 4-3, but has gotten to big and slow. He also takes a ton of plays off. Think peppers but less gifted to begin with. He can play well when motivated but that's rare these days.
Honestly probably best known for the "I've got to feed my kids" quote when trying to renegotiate. That or the murder case he was tied to. That or the 4 game starcaps suspension he might face next year.... Or the good years back in the early half of the of the last decade....
He's to slow to go outside and not strong enough to bull rush.
Better then nothing but we should all hope for better then him....
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Just a thought,
would it be beneficial not to tender Incognito and try to re-sign him as an UFA? I don't know what the terms we signed him at last season but I would imagine that we, more or less, had to offer a bit more given the time of year. He might come a bit cheaper.
Wasn't he a waiver claim? ie we just continued his previous contract. Depending on terms, it might be cheaper to do this, but you can still negotiate a long term deal with lower per year salary if that's what you want. A tender is just a "if nothing else" thing if really used well. Forcing a guy to play under it is all good fun for a year but don't count on him liking the front office too much.
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+1 sigh............
The upside -- next year 4th quarter, driving, about to go ahead, and we don't lose 15 or 30 yards cause he threw a fit. There was a reason he was waived midseason. Yea he didn't explode in the 7 or so plays in buffalo but can you imagine the I told you sos when he inevitably does?
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He would deffinetly be a good addition to our 3-4 defense. What do you guys think?
Fat lazy and overpaid. Watched every game of his career... It's all been downhill lately.
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Donte is worth more than a 5th rounder, so is Marshawn so if we make a trade of either of those for pick(s), I say pull the trigger. A 5th won't kill us.
plus, it would be a little amusing to trade donte then bring in the guy hes been campaigning for.
if only for ironies sake.
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i think thats just about the best post-bradford option I have seen for this year.... I wouldnt draft anyone that late with any real hope.... especially for this year.
seems like a good value, before he got sick he was pegged to be the ravens starter a couple years ago..
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Interesting article out of dallas concerning injuries in the league -- mentions bills specifically as among least healthy.
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/3/3/13...sistently-among
Campbell
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted
1st -- Dan Williams
2nd -- Gaither -- Bal
3rd -- mccluster
4th -- Campbell -- wash
front 7 and oline heavy the rest of the way
If something like this came with the top 4 picks I wouldn't be complaining