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The Bills likely will stick to their guns and refuse to pay Donte the additional $1-$2 million a year he thinks he is worth. They'll let him walk and he'll sign somewhere else.
And then they'll panic, and overpay or overdrasft someone else.
It's the same story over and over again with this team. It's the Darcy Regier School of (Mis)management. The folks here who keep cheering for Donte's departure fail to realize that every time the Bills roll the rock up the hill, it falls back down the other side.
different coach and gm, but we can assume the same will happen i suppose.... seems silly though. patience.
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Albert Haynesworth, Donovan McNabb, Larry Johnson, Philip Buchanon, Willie Parker...
How 'bout them Redskins? Umm, yeah, you were saying about free agents/spending cash??
LOL
but but but this one team did something different then we did and it worked that one time!
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It is much safer to add players with proven track records than hope to build in the draft. Much high chance of getting better players. Nix should make sure he does much more this year with proven free agents or trades.
its much easier to do with that whole uncapped year -- look for them to be in cap hell in coming years, even with contracts geared towards hitting this year.
dont they have edwards AND holmes AND harris as three huuuuge UFA's this upcoming offseason? just thinking offhand.
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You are right that the owners might have nothing to be gained by opening them up their books to scrutiny because it might undercut their bogus claims. They are making the claim that under the current CBA structure their businesses are in financial peril. What if that isn't the case?
If the labor conflict between the players' union and the owners were sent to an arbitrator how would the arbitrator react if the owners told the arbitrator that we can't give you all the relevant information because you won't understand it or we are not going to hand over the material because it is not in our best interest?
so what is the best case scenario for you the fan if the books are opened? i truly believe that this will only hurt the league in the long run. you can say private third party but tell me that the nflpa would not be in front of the tv saying "look - every team made a profit!"
we already have the posters on here clamoring how an organization making a profit should not be allowed to decrease salary. little do they consider that for some of these owners, that profit might be a lower percentage then you make on a savings account. do any of them take into consideration that maybe public funding for stadiums is drying up and there might be some billion dollar investments coming up? thats a huge shift of expenses, and somehow the only stream of money thats not allowed to be touched is player salary? pass it on the the fan in ticket prices, concessions, merchandise, just dont reduce spending on players.
on the flip side, if the owners are lying and getting rich -- does it help the sport in ANY way to give the players more money?
or maybe things are worse then we think -- suddenly the players know they can hold out cause some owners do need the money. suddenly a fan thinks why should i buy that jersey, the teams probably leaving for LA next year anyway.
and last, the owners deserve to clean house. many have poured billions into a company, and have grown a league much the same way bill gates, steve jobs, etc... have grown their own companies. i dont see any owners getting sam walton rich off of their team, and i think its incredibly unfair for fans to think this is solely an act of passion and the owners dont deserve those returns because they should do it for the love of the game.
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i can see both sides - talley flew off the handle, unless theres more to the story. vy did nothing to help it.
i would hope that someone that has collected millions upon millions might watch some nfl films clips in the offseason. maybe you dont know talley by name at first sight, but he should have a head on his shoulders, and a knowledge of the game to be able to recognize the accomplishments of a team that went to 4 straight superbowls, and played a rather big game against vy's hometown houston oilers (whos franchise he happened to play for - although i doubt they show film of that game). atleast be able to fake it. do you think a brady, brees or manning gets themselves into this situation?
expecting him to know talley -- Its kind of on par with me as a fresh out of college fan of the bills knowing off the top of my head from the music city miracle titans team -- kevin dyson, frank wychek, steve mcnair, eddie george, lorenzo neal, derrick mason, al del greco, jevon kearse, bruce matthews, samari rolle, and of course who can forget eddie robinson... was jon runyan on that offensive line too? im sure if i pull up the roster id recognize the names of another 5-10 players too, and that is from someone that was about 11-12 when that game happened and outside of those playoffs has probably seen about 10 titans games in the last 10 year. i might not recognize these guys at a bar but id know who they were if introduced. hearing the name you would think would light atleast some kind of bulb above vinces head that he played lb, or for the bills or SOMETHING as a fan of the sport.
even if he said hey - i know nothing about your career but i would love to learn more -- let me sit down and talk to you sometime, i doubt it would escalate publicly.
and yes, this is exactly why talley does not need to be a coach or involved in the organization.
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Very intelligent observation.
I take no offense to him believing in himself. I'm also not going to fault him for giving everything he had to this organization. Matter of fact I'm grateful that he did and I give him a ton of credit for it. Look how so many of us has whined for the last 10+ years, imagine being a player for most of that time with this "organization", and I do use that word loosely. He never complained thru these years that I'm aware of, only when it came to contract time and he felt compelled to defend himself. Shouldn't we have done that for him? I'm not suggesting to overpay him, just not over critisize him, that's all. The guy tried to take on a leadership role for us and we badmouth him??!!! C'mon people, let's be better fans than that. I wish Donte nothing but the best, regardless if he's a Bill next year or not.
Unfortunately we seem to constantly have to readdress positions that we have all thought were fulfilled. I say we need to stop this right now under this current administration and keep our current players who have dedicated themselves to this franchise and we should start with Donte. Matter of fact I believe that it would make a statement to the other players who have patiently endured the kaos that this organization has displayed in the last several years.
Sorry to say that there seems to be a minority of a few bad apples that gets most of the attention, or should I say platform. It corralates with the theory that negative publicity/advertising is 7 times more powerful than the positive. Sad, isn't it?
i think hes very good -- above average, probably on the bubble for top 10. i also think that his recent run of tweets have walked him out of town. first airing contract issues the last few weeks, including during the season made me cringe. now implying that without him the secondary will crumble -- let him walk. i just have a feeling that there is no way he can return and be the respected leader to make the changes we need, when thats how he reacts to some fan tweets. if your skin is that thin, and you are that self absorbed... you arent a 7-8 million a year leader of our defense.
Even after he tanked the final two (some say 3) games of the season?
and thats the problem, once this really started to hit the fan, id never imagined he would handle it with such lack of professionalism and maturity. he proved that he is very self centered, arrogant, and immature. i think hes a good athlete, and i wanted him to be a leader moving forward. maybe even overpay by a little bit.... not worth it.
this is what marv meant by needing character. an offseason dui is dumb, but not being able to trust a guy on the field? cant have it. sad that marvs big pick is showing just about as little football character as i can imagine someone having.
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mornin' message to Buffalo Bills fans..."Be careful what u wish for!"...Good day
7:42am via Twitter for BlackBerry®
Alot of what I do/did kept our ENTIRE secondary together.....
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ive had his back for most of this but im just embarassed to have done so --- to do this is just insulting to your teammates and coaching staff. he just put himself above all of them. hes above average but not irreplaceable and with an attitude like that, i officially want to see him replaced. you dont see winning teams with that attitude, and i really do not think whitner can be a leader in making this a winning franchise if thats what is really in his head - insulted or not by his contract offer.
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This is laughable that they put it this way. Makes it sound like they're not being totally honest or have something to hide. That's like saying the average schmuck makes his gross pay before taxes and social security and insurance. Threrfore, (s)he's well paid. HAH!
As far as working for a profitable company and taking a pay cut, that's what my wife's company did. They put in a 5% cut across the board. They are a big company and I know you've heard of them.
Truly there are a lot of things hidden - that 33 million would shrink rapidly if you start looking at loans for stadiums and original purchase of a team.
Truly the NFL owners have NOTHING to gain by opening the books. It's numbers the average fan wouldn't be able to comprehend and would either scream look at those greet bastards or OMG my teams going bankrupt and there going to have to move to LA. There is nothing that could even be remotely construed as positive coming from opening the books to fans.
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I'm pretty sure everyone despises the patriots more. I kind of have to root for the Jets. I like and respect their approach to the game every week. At least they play with passion and have a coach who stirs things up. Wish my team did more of this.
Yea - I could do without his drama. I watch football for big hits and well designed plays, not press conferences. Ill take modeling my team after NE over NJJ any day of the week if I had to pick one to emulate.
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I never had a problem with the Ralph but this season I saw a game in Arizona. That stadium is incredible. It's clean and the food and drink options are great. With that said I will take the Ralph as is to keep the bills in buffalo.
I'm sure the player facilities are similarly posh compared to RWS-.of course, cry me a river that you are getting paid hundreds of thousands a game and the lockerroom smells like sweaty men instead of mahogany and leather bound books. It's quite serviceable but a fair critique saying it's among the worst.
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I guess so, but Buffalo isn't exactly a Bentley town.
I totally understand but in this case it wasn't a buffalo player complaining. Nothing wrong with a "gets the job done" stadium, but comparatively it's likely among the least outfitted and comfortable. Couple that with the crowning, turf from his days, Bruce, the location, the weather, the crowd being loud and proud.... I doubt that when schedules come out players look forward to the Ralph in December the same way as they might going out to a new stadium in the south.
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I don't get it either. This is a team that absolutely owns the Bills, has no respect for the Bills and has run up the score on more than one occassion. To me rooting for the Pats is akin to rooting for Miami to win a playoff game in the 70s.
Personally, the best football game of the past decade was SB 42; watching those arrogant f---s and thier '19-0' go down in defeat. I want to see a repeat of that every season for as long as they are a fixture in the playoffs.
i still love that game -- but in the case of jets vs pats, i really find nothing redeeming about the jets. there are literally no players or coaches that jump out at me as someone i would wish success upon. couple that with the terrible offseason we would have to suffer through should the jets win it all? shudder. atleast when the patriots win, they would be deserving. the jets are not nearly as good as many people think. rex has just repeated it enough times that people believe. i am no fan of the patriots, but i can respect the organization, and players for the most part. i know ill catch hell -- theyre just a bunch of cheaters. but i think A LOT of teams did what they did, and i dont think it to be near the advantage that most credit. i think that in the end it had about as much impact as the jets great wall, but without an opponent getting injured.
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Surprised to see so many root for the Pats.
Rex Ryan is a figure. He's fun, intentionally obnoxious. Billichek is standoffish, arrogant, and has no respect for the media and other teams. He intentionally embarrasses other fans and teams by running up scores. Plus, the Pats are our biggest rivals.
Go Jets.
Maybe intentionally obnoxious isn't found fun? Also I'd much rather root for welker then Braylon.....who really wants to cheer a cromartie or revis pick? As a fan of the sport I enjoy much more watching Brady, as opposed to Sanchez. As much as they might be the evil empire I'm impressed by their consistent work ethic and creative game plans. They are incredibly smart in their approach to football. I'd love to beat them, but I also respect that they have earned the media praise.
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IMHO, the only draft service I need to know is who Nolan Nawrocki says the Bills are gonna take because he has been right at least 4 years in a row...
I never understood this logic...if you think the guy is a 10 time pro bowl player, then u pick him...what difference does it make where he went. In hindsight, if the Patriots traded up to take Tom Brady #1 overall, do you think anyone would be saying what a horrible pick that was now? What good does it do to trade down and then watch as another team takes him or trades up to get him, if that is the guy you want?
I'll say I agree with your logic for a range of a couple picks, or if you can't trade back. The range gets wider for qbs - if you take him in the first, you better believe he's a league MVP, superbowl qb- I'll take him 10 picks early without second thought.
Picking a late rounder in the first is silly - spring early, but why not get that first AND tom brady.
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I've been to several NFL stadiums in my time. There's nothing wrong with the Ralph. Maybe they were talking about the facilities on the interior of the stadium that the average fan never gets to see.
There's also something to be said - a pickup truck gets the job done, but compared to a bentley it wouldnt be your first choice.
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I'm sort of rooting for the Pat*s (ugh, I just threw up in my mouth a little . . . ) mainly because I think a Pat*s - Steelers or Pat*s - Ravens matchup next week would be must-see TV . . .
As not just a bills fan but a football fan and NFL fan- I think the pats. I think they play better ball right now, and I'd also love to see next weeks games. Plus, I'm just tired of the jets talking. It's just old. When you take out the 84 straight losses to the pats, I have to admit - they play an entertaining, crisp game that makes for good watching. They used to drive me nuts with all the screens but much better now.
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I remeber Bledsoe said, that there was 2 things about the Ralph, that he did not like.
1: It was the only crowned field left in the NFL. The middle of the field is about 12 inches higher than the edge of
the field. This was done for drainge. I wonder if this is one of the reasons, we get players hurt a lot.
2: It does not have heating pipes under the field. In winter the field freezes and get really hard.
I imagine both of these, the old field being tuuurrrrrible, the wind, and I bet the visiting lockerrooms may have been nice but compared to other stadiums much less comfortable.
Things like concessions and sightlines probably don't much effect a visiting player.
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While I agree with you, after the Dick Jauron experience in Buffalo, I just could not imagine any team wanting to put this guy in charge of any unit. He is just so uninspiring...he is likely a good teahcer (I have always heard that), but to lead a defensive unit, I want a guy with a pulse. I know, his player loved him, but with the exception of 1 season in Chicago, his players sucked ass, as a whole...
You are aware that this is as a coordinator, not head coach? He has done well as DC before.
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While I agree with you, after the Dick Jauron experience in Buffalo, I just could not imagine any team wanting to put this guy in charge of any unit. He is just so uninspiring...he is likely a good teahcer (I have always heard that), but to lead a defensive unit, I want a guy with a pulse. I know, his player loved him, but with the exception of 1 season in Chicago, his players sucked ass, as a whole...
You are aware that this is as a coordinator, not head coach? He has done well as DC before.
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Pretty much everyone would agree that Bill Belichick is the best coach in football. But who's #2?
Seems like there's a lack of quality HCs and a gulf between Belichick and the rest. But I'd nominate Ravens HC John Harbaugh. He inherited a team with a bad record. Some stars on defense, yes, but virtually no offense. They drafted wisely with Flacco, Ngata and Rice. And made good FA moves like acquiring Boldin. And they can win now with offense too.
Mike McCarthy in Green Bay I'd rate 3rd for the job they've done drafting and dealing with key injuries this season.
I havent seen enough GB games to confidently assert this - but I hear, and from the few of watched, that MM might be worse then ol Dicky J at managing games (timeouts, challenges, clock management etc....)
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What intrigues me about the Vick story- as he takes hits will he fall into his old style? Will injuries reduce accuracy and make him jumpy in the pocket?
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So Fitz is terrable compared to bledsoe? I remember his paly in buffalo in his last game couldn't even throw a checkdown pass
That's probably representative of his career. Probably why he's so often referred to as such a big draft bust.... That was what ?his 73rd season? and he was behind what must have been about the 33rd ranked o-line that year? Fitz is terrible compared to Bledsoe in his prime.
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just wonder what the D will look like ifhe is hired. he is a 43 guy. better for kelsay ****ty for merriman
If he were ILB coach, it would imply 3-4....
Also almost every team runs a little of each unless you have specialized personnel like undersized cover 2 players.
Last, I'd assume Edwards would still be in charge of his defense with DW acting as a peer and consultant, not as Edwards boss. Attending meetings for gameplanning that would normally be only HC, OC, and DC for gameplanning as an additional role. Perhaps input on personnel beyond LBs.
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I'd like to agree with your assessment of what his coming to Buffalo first means, but alas I do not. In my view, coming to Buffalo first drives up Wanny's price tag for San Diego.
I do agree with many that if he stays in Buffalo, it will be as AHC.
It would be a weak move if they are tight to come to town, and create drama on his friends coaching staff to pad his paycheck somewhere else.
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but i thought adding corners and receivers was a recipe for failure
this board can be a bit schizo