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I was curious what peoe think is the bread and butter for our scouting staff. I know nix is a new gm and we also have a lot of trouble sorting modrak vs. Dick vs Ralph.... What positions do you think we really excell at? Even what type of play (ie man vs zone corner as an example).
Thinking going into the draft if there's positions we excell at and others we flop with.... Maybe we should stick to what were good at.
Come to think of it we could even discuss where the picks are coming from regionally in order to figure out if our scout in the Pac northwest has really lacked but we've had a great success rate in the Midwest.
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That's more than fair in looking at the value chart and I'd welcome it too. That said I can't see Jones making that trade. As the Arkansas link makes sense but I can't him looking to part ways with Romo specifically because the big contract he gave him a few years locks him in with Dallas until 2013.
Only problem - can't trade players or 2012 picks until after the CBA is signed. NE and the people picking in the top 6 or so are the only ones that can trade up without trading EVERY pick in this draft to match value. Even with that Dallas is about as deep as we can go.
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Yes, Gaither is a bum, there are plenty FA we can bring in; top level:
1. Tyson Clabo ATL
2. Doug Free DAL
mid range but still good.
Ryan O'Callaghan (KC)
Ryan Cook (MIN)
Zach Strief (NO)
Jeremy Trueblood (TB)
How do you mention streif, essentially a blocking TE for the saints who has 0 starts at RT and only one at LT in the last two years, but not bushrod there starting LT
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the dilemma with qb is we need a franchise qb or no one at all, a serviceable one is a total waste - and yes we need that franchise qb to be priority 1 moving forward. trouble is, do you believe any are franchise qbs or not. if you do, is it someone you take at 3 or is it 34. for the case of a program like yours, its hard to input the right data. other positions we need a body where even ok is better then what we have. its hard to compare qb to any other position in the draft.
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IF they do wipe out the season & play no football games, then will we draft 3rd again - 2 Aprils in a row???
Could be, other leagues have done lotteries, snake drafts etc....
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I agree.I do however also think that situations like this, time to sign draft choices, etc, will create a situation where the owners may be more willing to wipe out the entire season rather than having to rush things through if something is signed after August 1st. At that point the owners may figure, not worth trying to salvage the season, the longer we hold out now, the better deal the owners get as the players will more likely cave once the checks stop soming in.
I think that there is at minimum a one month period needed for free agents, camps, and letting new coaches meet there teams. I also think you need atleast 10 games to play a season. That would essentially mean 6 division games and 4 against another division. Pair divisions based on natural rivalries to help bring fans back - example afce and afcc.
I think if it goes beyond that, you scrap the season.
I have to imagine the league has a couple plans -
Signed by June 1 business as usual, July 1 accelerate camps, add some 2 a days maybe, august sometime reduce the length of the season, sept 1 scrap the season
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I also like the hidden value in having 33-34 in the draft. Players will fall, teams will want to move for them. We would be the gatekeepers, or could take two mid first round talents the slid.
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Has Jurassic park not hit screens in Poland yet?
Bad idea dude. Bad idea.
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If the CBA does not get done until training camp, does that mean the Bills would have the rights to Whitner, Florence, Poz and the other free agents, because the free agency period never happened? If so would their contracts be based off of this last years contract or what?
Should that happen I imagine a clause that everyone will become a UFA the day that it is signed. The only other possibility would be an RFA type of situation, which I doubt the union considers.
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As I said in my first post in this thread, I think this loss is overrated - as PFT points out, this was a rebuilding year for the pats and they still went 15-3.
I think in our last 3 years rebuilding we've won 15 games. Hell, we lost 3 in September.
I'll link the article below but essentially talks about the early major injuries, and huge number of rookies playing. I'm not chalking this one up to Tom being done or belichek being arrogant. Unfortunately this team has another 5-6 years in their run, and more if they find a qb of TE future towards the end of that.
And for all those saying Brady played like a 6th rounder? Sorry but what does that make fitz then? If he put up that game against a jets D in the playoffs he would be our savior. They lost by 7 points.
This thread just screams desperation. Are we really making fun of them for not winning the superbowl in 5 years when we haven't even been to the postseason in 10? Or beat them over those 5?
It just makes me sad to be a bills fan when all we've got left is to laugh at the cool kids while we sit in the corner by ourselves.
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Yes, he is a FA.
Harbaugh recently stated he would like to have him back.
For a little insight, go check out the Ravens message boards. I's say it's 80-20 they would LOVE to have him back. They are very down on Oher at LT and would love to see him moved back to the right side w/ Gaither back on the left. Some concerns about attitude, but the biggest concern seems to be centered on his injured back.
He didn't do himself any favors by missing the entire season, so IMO the price for him would be lowered considerably. Incentive laden contract w/ playing time as a major stipulation?
This is exactly the type of player I am talking about in my thread about being opportunistic IF you evaluate him as healthy, and the numbers are a little lower then a player of his caliber would normally be.
Say if his normal play is ten mill, and his perceived value around the league is 5.... Target him a little higher say 6-7 and incentives to 11 if he plays out of this world.
Note: these are not the numbers im saying he deserves but how I think we should target these players. Much like we tied up merriman. Give a little more then the current diminished value with incentives to a little more then an average probowler gets should he make the probowl. Pick 3 young guys you believe will exceed expectations and wrap them up early with little risk. If 2 actually make it then we have our probowl OLB and probowl LT for years to come.
We don't need the karlos dansby type signing at this point in our rebuild.
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Imagine finishing the season 15-3 and being told you were arrogant for following your model. One that has had you in superbowl contention for a decade.
They lost a game, and people talk like they aren't the team everybody is gunning for anymore. Everyone gives the patriots there best shots every week and they consistently win. I think people are overstepping the significance of one game.
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We had a chance at drafting Ngata and he even thought he was going to be drafted by the Bills but what ever brain child that was in charge of the pick that year should have lost there job over that one !!!
Can you imagine with just a few different picks what this team would have should have could have been ????
Orapko - Ngata - Matthews ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Weren't orakpo and Matthews the same year?
we drafted CJ ah You a few yrs back, he cut cut in camp if memory serves me correctly
I believe he is on the rams line now- and contributing.
Didn't his father have a connection in buffalo??
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Man, you're easy to get along with - the Anti-Mikey, you like Everything!
If the Bills have a multiple front defense, my neighbor's kid has a pony. Bills wish to build a multiple front defense. If wishes were horses....
If they don't intend for us to miss the playoffs for another 11 years, they better bring in some big mofo D guys who can play it and mentor the rooks.
That's the thing - it's a process. It's about not reaching for need. It's about picking high talent that slides regardless of if it's your biggest need, or if it fits your scheme. Make your scheme take advantage of the surprises that fall to you. Maybin didn't fall to us. Whitner didnt fall to us. We took need based on scheme too early. Don't take a Von miller at 3 just cause we need LB help if Peterson and green are there. That's a concept we have missed terribly recently. When was the last time we brought in a merriman, or took the number one player on the draft board? It seems we are starting to take advantage of the opportunities that fall in our laps. It's not a promise of success but if you hold the plan long term you will more often be in the playoffs then not.
Edwards in the third was a great opportunity. If we could re-do his tenure with better talent around him, better coaching, a real strategy of how to take advantage of the talent we happened upon, I don't doubt he would have been a high value 3rd round pick. Instead we hamstrung ourselves with schemes that didn't seem to work, players that werent as good as where what we could have had - generally a lower talent pool to work with.
Good playoff teams have the best roster not the best D, the best o line following some formula. They have a franchise QB and the best possible players available coupled with the best coaches they can find.
I hate how this team was run by marv and dick because it just led to second rate players being coached into second tier schemes run by second tier coaches. Thus far it seems this won't be chans and buddy's MO, whether or not they hit success fast will be some luck but I believe we are on the right path. Might they end up with tim couch? Yes, but I hope they won't follow him to the grave, and will continue to search for their next qb. Seems like what nix subscribes to with the SD qb situation he was a part of.
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I agree , but only if the team's deficiencies are addressed in FA to the best of ability.
I agree as you get closer to the end of the process. Once you get to the cusp of the playoffs you pull the trigger on players to jump you into superbowl contention. Last year none of the big names wouldve done anything to help us long term. Unless of course you see a chance at a great value or superbowl qb. See drew brees for the saints. You must find that player asap. Otherwise, unless a player is maybe coming off injury or you think league perception is lower then his actual ability (merriman?) then you bring them in. A 50 mill contract in year one of the rebuild will only sabotage you in the long run.
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All this talk of franchise qb vs defense vs trenches vs TE vs....
The one thing every great franchise is, is opportunistic. You lay a conservative, consistent plan to build through the draft, put in place some schemes (with a little flexibility) and you build according to that plan. When a player falls to you, when a coach becomes available, when someone hits the trade market at a high value, you pull the trigger. Even if ala haloti ngata, they dont fit the system. You build a culture of it in the building and on the field.
That is the one thing every playoff team has in common.
I like that the bills took spiller, possibly the best player in the draft, I like that they have a multiple front defense, I like that they are talking to wannstache - I'm hoping that as we get further along the plan we see them pull the trigger on a trade or FA or two - but right now its so early in the process.
As the talent level comes up I expect to see the D learn how to make the most of there opportunities and get turnovers, to see the offense grind out drives until someone guesses wrong on coverage and consistently get in the endzone instead of dropping balls, break a missed tackle and hit the endzone.
I think as our front office becomes more opportunistic, the play on the field will, and the wins will come. I hope whether it's aj green, Patrick Peterson, fairley, or whoever the bpa is, the bills take him at every pick.
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We really need a legit TE. I'm so disappointed in Nelson's development (some is health related I guess). But this is a bad year for college TEs, especially if Kevin Rudolf doesn't come out. DJ Williams of arkansas is a decent prospect too.
Here's a thought I had. The Saints love Jimmy Graham. I bet they'd trade Shockey for a low round pick. Shockey has his short comings (injuries mainly) but would be the first threat we have had in about a decade.
Not impossible but I doubt that shockey leaves. I think he takes a paycut and falls into his new role as mentor, and reliable backup. He loves the city, team, and Jimmy Graham
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Not in the first round (I would like to go defense with that pick) but if the there is still a top 2 college TE going into the 2nd round I would consider going after him. Watching the majority of teams in playoffs shows how important a TE is on offense and creating mismatches. We have been lacking one for almost a decade - maybe even more.
I can tell you the argument against: every one of those teams have qbs, which might be a big part of the TE success. Also, the teams as a whole are much more talented. We should go bpa to help create the best mismatches we can, regardless of where it is on the field - offense, defense, trenches or skill position. We just need mismatches that favor us.
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I'm calling bull**** on this, and that you cannot draft a player who has not declared and sign him after his following college year. Otherwise we have been wasting our 7th rounders by not taking the top guys from the next draft. No need to waste a #3 pick! Take the two best players coming out the following year with our 6th and 7th rounders!
They can enter the draft next year, but you could theoretically sign them in January before the draft. Similar to discussions around the holdout of crabtree, but as he declared, he couldn't play college ball.
Your proposal would totally screw up your rookie pool as those guys would all want 70mill and you just can't give that based on the -granted very loose- NFL rookie pay guidelines.
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Do I need to spell everything all out for you? Seriously? We dont need to take a 1st round QB at #3... nobody is worth it there. Fitz is fine. The teams and the QB's there have their D to thank more than their QB's... THAT is my point, and has been.
"Credible" defenses, lol... 3 of the teams left have Top 5 D's.... and the Bears were #9.
Here are your Top 5 QB's...
1. Philip Rivers SD 4710
2. Peyton Manning IND 4700
3. Drew Brees NO 4620
4. Matt Schaub HOU 4370
5. Eli Manning NYG 4002
NONE of them are still in the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOLY HELL!!!! Someone ACTUALLY read the original post!! Lol.... whoo hoo, props to you bro!!!!
When your D suck's and causes your O to have to play catch up and be flipping predictable as hell... it becomes a problem. Get a damned D, and you'll actually see the O improve (granted we get a RT)...
Here are your Top 10 QB's... Hmmm.. no Cutler, Roethlisberger, or Sanchez... Just because you were drafted in round one DOESN'T make you a "franchise QB".
1 Philip Rivers SD No playoffs
2 Peyton Manning IND Out of playoffs
3 Drew Brees NO Out of playoffs
4 Matt Schaub HOU No playoffs
5 Eli Manning NYG No playoffs
6 Carson Palmer CIN No playoffs
7 Aaron Rodgers GB Still in playoffs
8 Tom Brady NE Out of playoffs
9 Matt Ryan ATL Out of playoffs
10 Kyle Orton DEN No playoffs
Here are your Top 10 D's...
1 San Diego Chargers No playoffs, QB better than Fitz
2 Pittsburgh Steelers Still in playoffs
3 New York Jets Still in playoffs
4 New Orleans Saints Out of playoffs
5 Green Bay Packers Still in playoffs
6 Miami Dolphins No playoffs, Fitz better
7 New York Giants No playoffs, QB not much better than Fitz
8 Minnesota Vikings No playoffs, QB sitaution a mess... I'd go with Fitz
9 Chicago Bears Still in playoffs
10 Baltimore Ravens Out of playoffs
All 4 teams remaining = TOP 10 D!
Fail may a$$!
Did you really bash qb rating as subjective then turn around and use yardage? Did we neglect to adjust for yards per game atleast? Maybe Vick, and big ben and rodgers would shoot up cause they missed a few games? Not to mention losing teams throw for more yards - you know, playing from behind and all.
If you picked the top 10 qbs in the league to start a team with - rivers would be the only one out of the playoffs this year. Ironically they had the #1 defense most if not all year.
You must have a big time qb, top 15 D, and a special teams that won't screw anything up.
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Although I think your post has more holes than Swiss cheese I will agree with the fact that the final 4 teams available all have I credible defenses. Big Ben and Rodgers are good to great QBs but they also happen to be on great teams as well. IMO it's more of a fact that you really have to have a good to great overall team if you want to even think about making it deep into the playoffs.
I think it's also very funny that every team left has incredible shut down CBs/DBs and yet we all complain that we can't continue to get better by always picking this position early and often. The teams that are left are very stacked in the secondary, among other positions. But I hope it just points to the fact that we need impact players on our team. Regardless of position.
Ding ding ding - winner!
That's why you go bpa, and give minor consideration to need.Outside of qb (whether it be you already having one or desperately needing one) always go bpa. This means that even if you already have a good to great player at a position, you need as many as you can. Between injuries and free agency you can never have too much talent at a position.
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Another clueless wonder... Rodgers is right now winning playoff games, what has he done BEFORE this year???? And, he would have been your what #4 QB?? Big deal... of course there will be some great QB's that move on, but I bet most would have thought Brady, , Manning, Brees, or Ryan would still be standing, BUT a solid D kicked their a$$...
Right... GOTCHA.... GREAT point. I suppose NONE of the defensive players were first rounders.... good freaking grief!!!!!!
umm ryan is great but rodgers has done nothing? whats ryans playoff record again?
also didnt rodgers put up about 84 points against arizona last year?
truly all youve proven to me is you need a qb AND a defense. which i dont think that anyone would disagree with.
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rodgers
rothlisberger
sanchez
cutler
hmmmmmmm all first round picks. one with multiple rings. one just traded for a kings ransom last year. one selected in the top 5. one that got to sit for 3 years to learn the position after being picked in the first round.
brady, brees, manning also better then ok qbs -- so thats 7 franchise qbs referenced by your post.....
matty ice and joe flacco, both good but not great so thats 9, of probably the top 10 qbs that are in the playoffs, leaving out only rivers who did have a good D
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The old rivalries seem to have out-lived their relevance. I'd like to see the Bills move to compete with their Lake Erie neighbors, the Steelers and Browns (along with the Bengals) - and let all those "East Coast" teams go at it.
This has nothing to do with our team's competitiveness, or lack thereof... it's just that Buffalo really is the odd man out when it comes to the identity of the AFC East Division. We belong with Pittsburgh and the teams from Ohio.
/my2¢
agree -- also baltimore is quite the rivalry with all three of the other afce teams.
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