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If it's not dareus, miller or the qbs
Then id bet heavily on Quinn, Jordan, or watt.
Lost in that shuffle is maybe fairley. If it's not one of those 8, I would be beyond shocked. I really can't imagine one of the WRs, CBs, or a bigger reach.
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Fits is abotu 3% below the average NFL completion rate. That's a pass a game. Care to wonder where his passing percentage might be if Steve Johnson drops 16 fewer passes last year?
Fitz is the closest thing the Bills have had to a leader in a decade. How can you all be missing that? Is he Manning or Drew Brees? Probably not. But how about a gritty Jim McMahon type who makes the entire offense better by being so smart?
The Bills need defensiev help right now. QB is not a position of need.
I like fitz, I really do but I don't see a ring with him. I also want to point out the bills had less drops than almost any of the teams with better %
brees, Brady, manning all had more dropped balls.
I just feel like anyone making comparisons to the top tier guys hasn't watched a top tier guy for 16, or 32 straight games since Kelly. There's a huge difference between fitz and them.
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Weird. Imagine if we had depth? Or if someone gets hurt/leaves in free agency/doesn't continue developing? It would be nice to have some of these questions answered. Heaven forbid we have 4-5 guys that can rotate on the line.
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Read into it all you want. There just isn't anything there. At this point, I just don't give a rats ass about his salary until the appropriate time. Better?
I believe that is more true than many are willing to admit. Glad I'm not the only one who sees it that way.
So if this offseason they gave him a deal worth say... 10m a year? Would anyone be ok with it? When push comes to shove on the issue, that's likely the easiest way to answer if you believe he's a franchise qb. A proven and established starter that shouldn't be challenged as some in this thread portray. I love him on the team, but he's not that guy and he's shown nothing yet to make you confident he will be. That's the point. Forget accuracy, td-int, intangibles. What's his value to a team in dollars. If anyone puts him with the big boys, or even some mid range guys, I will be baffled.
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First, there is no reason to. We can cross that bridge when we get there. Second, that decision is not important until we actually see his final contract year performance. As a business owner, would you decide a guys salary a year in advance? I wouldn't.
Sounds less than confident. Would you let Kelly hit free agency? I think it's pretty commonplace to wrap up big time players a year early. Obviously the lockout changes things some but I'm curious what the number would be for an extension today. I think that number tells you all you need to know about where he actually is in his career. It's a second-third tier starter or top end back up. Maybe he changes that in time but he is what he is now.
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I still haven't heard the guys backing fitz say what they'd offer him cash wise..... Just saying, I bet it isn't franchise money.
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Nix or Gailey said that the 3 best WR's in the 2010 draft at blocking were Demaryius Thomas, Marcus Easley, and Donald Jones. And as an aside, since the Bills had a need at WR and Thomas went GT, I still maintain that he was the guy they were trying to trade back into the 1st round to get.
Miami never made Brees an offer. They didn't like his shoulder.
Funny, drew and saban tell two different stories. I tend to trust drew at this point. Though its neither here nor there in this discussion.
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I will throw this out there for the franchise crowd- would you be upset if they resigned fitz to a deal in the neighborhood of 10m a year? If your not ok with that, he hasn't proven to be a franchise qb yet, and anything you are saying is that you hope he will be one, maybe.
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Drew Brees was also a hell of a college quarterback...and a top-ranked Texas high school quarterback before he hurt his knee.
So, you know, as much as I love Fitz, I find the comparison to Brees highly laughable.
Also, drew passed on Miami and came to new orleans by choice. He didn't like how Miami handled the injury issue. Miami had a decent offer out there.
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I don't mean this as a knock, but as a matter of perspective - most teams are doing this, if not more. It's great he's doing it, but it's almost expected, not exceeding expectations. I think it says more about lee and cj than it does the guys attending.
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Love the conjecture - but if we take a guy at 3 to move him to an unnatural position, it only substantiates the opinions many have with this organization. It would be like taking peterson with the idea to convert to a safety...at 15, OK, at 3 - no F-ing way. At 3, I would rather see them roll dice on Fairly to replace Stroud than Miller to move all over the place...one thing for sure, we will ruin his career.
Don't draft miller and move him inside, draft fairley and move him to end.
You clearly have no idea what I'm talking about or just don't even bother reading my posts. That's just ignorance on your part so I can't help you there.
Von Miller's biggest strength is rushing off the edge. Why are you going to put him in traffic where he can't utilize his strength. Sure you can just put anyone at MLB (because they're "football players"). But the key is to put your players in a position where they'll most likely succeed. Why put Von at MLB where he could be just average/OK when you can put him at OLB where he'd be great?
Not difficult.
Clearly I can't speak for everyone but I was referencing it as possible if heaven forbid we have too many starters at olb. Odds are we will not be in that situation but if the three ????? Turn into !!!!! Then let's get them on the field.
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I'm not so sure the past is a good indicator in this case. Dallas and Pittsburgh had no need at QB, Miami had no first round pick in 2000, and the Chiefs would've needed to pick Joe Flacco at 5 in '08, a pick that would've been considered a gigantic reach at the time. And last year, of course, they seemed to think they could fix Trent Edwards, so their interest in a QB probably wasn't that high at the time.
Also, the OC, rarely gets to dictate drafting a qb. He has to do his best with what he's given. Sure he can say what he'd like, but that doesn't mean he's getting anything. If I remember correct most of those were inherited not sought out.
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Realistically I'd venture an over/under being set a 5.5? 6.5 with a strong draft?
That said- if merriman returns to say 95% and we get dareus/fairley and 34 to contribute at LB/RT/TE plus a solid FA or two... that could easily bump to a 9 win season.
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Miller slides inside if moats and merriman are outstanding. Right now his size and speed have a natural comparison to Patrick willis. Otherwise, it doesn't hurt to have quality depth. Especially with those players being a rook with size questions, merriman (too many questions to list) and moats (a late round pick who played above expectations but not exceptionally).
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Interesting that he thinks there will be a record number of QBs taken in the first round. IIRC the six QBs taken in round 1 of the '83 draft is the record? What six QBs strike him as first round talents this year I wonder. Once I get past Newton, Gabbert, and possibly Mallet, I'm stuck. Are Locker, Kaepernick, and Ponder moving that far up? I just don't see them.
GO BILLS!!!
If you go by the idea that everyone is going to jump on qbs --
1)newton - panthers
2)Gabbert -- buff, cinci, arizona
3)locker - washington, vikings
4)mallet - vikings, miami
5)ponder
6)kap
7)dalton
5, 6, 7 can all be whoever loses out in the top ten moving up, or a team like the vikings falling back. could also be a team like the 49ers that i left off the list figuring that they would miss out on the top two, and it was too early for the next set. jacksonville could surprise someone with a young qb. i would even say a team like indy might start planning for the future but they probably would have wanted to sign payton before they made a move like that.
all that said, i think that the wealth of similarly rated qbs make teams more willing to wait. i think you see 3 in the first, 3 in the second and one of those guys fall to the edge of the 2nd/3rd
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How does he weigh less than 2009? Has he been using the Body Blade?
cause he played at 230, jacked up to 250 and couldnt run, and shed weight back down once he got off of whatever he HAD to be taking.
he was stupid slow at 250 at the combine, i can only imagine at 260. we will see. odds are he never gets there though.
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I'm with San Jose on Sheard. As I've said before, I think he's a first-round talent, but he won't go that high--teams will find it difficult to look past the violent crime. It'd be one thing if he just got in a fight, but this is bad:
According to the police report, several police officers tried to break up the scuffle, Sheard, who was reportedly being hit by police batons, picked up Parker and threw the 27-year-old through a glass door of a gallery.
Sheard jumped on the bleeding Parker, who was on the ground inside the art store, and continued punching him before police subdued the two with pepper spray.
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/7/18/1576115/pitt-defensive-end-jabaal-sheard-arrested
That said, I think he'll go mid round 2.
Romeus on the other hand is a guy who's going to slip on draft weekend. He had 1st-2nd round potential coming off his Sohpomore year, but he was very inconsistent as a Junior and had the torn ACL as a Senior. My best guess for Romeus is 4th round at the earliest, but more likely 5th-6th round.
now that is something
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i guess thats probably better than him saying he doesnt like anyone at 3?
its terrible how we hang on every word, but its really getting to the point where there is no chance at getting a read on them. any guess that gets it right, would be luck and just playing the odds a little - not that the bills will be telegraphing the pick somehow.
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We always complain our guys are gone at our mid round picks and now we have 3 and what are we doing? Trying to trade back to 10-11
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I have been saying this too for a while (well 5 in the first 33 as I think there is the possibility NE takes one or trades the pick to someone taking one with the first pick in the second) and I wouldn't be surprised that Mallet isn't one of them...but there are 6 guys who legitimately have a shot at going in the first 33 picks
Cam, Gabbert, CK, Ponder, Mallet and Locker could easily go in first 33 and even Dalton has some buzz about him too. If we don't go QB at 3 then I think we take one 34 assuming one of the guys we like are still there, and I am starting to think Mallet may be the one that slides if Mia doesn't take him.
I just dont buy that there are this many- remember last year when clausen was a top ten and colt was going to sneak into the first?
I still think it's 2, maybe 3 in the first- 2-3 in the second and probably 1 in the third of these top 7 guys getting first round talk.
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Neither championship game was a template for the importance of elite QB play..........
Sanchez
20 of 33 for 233, 2TDs and a passer rating of 102.2
Roethlisberger
10 of 19 for 133, O TDs and 2 pics for a passer rating of 35.5
Rodgers
17 of 30 for 244, 0 TDs and 2 pics for a passer rating of 55.4
Cutler
left the game with a knee injury
.....but let's not let the actual facts get in the way of believing what we want to. Just saying.
It's funny how big bens td run and mark Sanchezs fumble returned for a td don't show up in either stat line. Or how the jets refused to open up the play book in the first half for some reason.
Or that jay was 6-13 with a pick in the first half.
Meh. Don't let a stat line get in the way of watching the actual games.
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Ugh - so now cam, Blaine, locker, mallet, kap, ponder, Dalton have all been rumored for round 1? How many slide to round 3? Beyond that even?
First round qb projections make stations/papers/sites money. Simple as that.
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Ryan Fitzpatrick was objectively better than Sanchez and Cutler last year (two of the "final four" QBs.) This is without much help from the defense, playing behind one of the most inexperienced offensive lines (being pressured on over 20% of dropbacks,) and not having had the benefit of the majority of training camp reps. He obviously had problems in cruchtime, ala Jim Kelly in 1986, but I, for one, think he will be even better in 2011.
Those were also the two that had great teams and came up short cause of qb play. Just saying.
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If next year's first round pick was included in the trade but the draft gets canceled next year wouldn't we just get their first rounder in 2013? That would be pretty lame if we don't get their first round pick just because there's no draft next year.
I believe the point is that should the new CBA not include a draft, or even if there are changes, we might not know what we are getting past this years picks.
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He's claimed it a big part of why he wanted out of denver. You'd think it would open his eyes but seemingly no.