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What a difference between the old regime & the new regime with a bit of Southern exposure added into the mix .
The Southern part being Buddy Nix & Chan Gailey "Get R Done" these guys are bringing in 30 players for interviews according to what Buddy has said on BB.com . Talk about leaving no stone unturned .
I don't remember hearing of only a hand full of guys coming in at draft time under DJ's watch .
I don't know about Y'all but i'm likin the difference in the way things are getting done & billieve that we are going to see a real change in our Bills this year and the years to come with Buddy & Chan in the mix !!
GET -R- DONE GO BILLS !!!!!!
Yea every team does like 30 of these- even dicky j's
Maybe it was you that wasn't up to speed at the time. Those were pretty forgettable seasons.
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But realistically who thought Brady had the talent level until he had proved it, multiple times even? Sometimes it's just about putting in the work and getting the right chance...
I'd venture the coach that kept him on the roster as a 4th qb had some idea. Or the one that after keeping him as a 4th qb made him primary backup, and then starter a month in to year number two.
Obviously no one expected MVP of the decade, but someone seemed to have an idea he would be good from the start.
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I'm not doubting you, but I didn't see anywhere that he ran a 4.59 40...that would be 0.11 faster than his time at the combine...
.11 is not as huge as it sounds. A misstep, or different type of track accounts for that. It's also like .2 slower than he allegedly ran as a sophomore. Not using this comment as praise or a knock, just throwing out how easily it can happen.
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Even if it was true, I'm less than offended. You have so much info and contact- prodays, combine, in season scouting, film, visits... A HC and GM can't be everywhere at all times.
Also I find this set of visits and proday particularly non-offensive for this "offense." gailey and nix worked with ponder at the senior bowl, your DC, wanny and modrak can work with the other guys, and your coach and GM can see what are probably the handful of guys that are hardest to judge (huge values, or huge busts) in person...
Of course all that's for nothing as the report was totally made up.
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Did the situation "escalate?"
There's NO WAY that this was "abnormal" behavior for her. NOT A CHANCE. Even when she's sober, she's MORE THAN LIKELY someone who resorts to violence, threatens people with violence, throws things, etc etc.
Her and everyone she'll cross paths with later in life now has this guy to thank for teaching her that that kind of behavior is UNACCEPTABLE.
There comes a time when someone has to do the unpopular, unsavory thing. Up to that point society had passed the buck on her behavior, snarled "someone should teach her a lesson" under its breath and never did anything to 'correct' this bull in a china shop, this person who's endangering herself AND being a complete nuisance to everyone around her.
I WILL, however, concede that the same lesson could have been taught with an open palm to the cheek. A fist to the chin? That was just dumb on his part. Can he afford the hospital bill for a broken jaw? The missing teeth? The potential concussion? If there was a misstep in this scenario, it was his execution.
I will say again, I don't think this taught her a thing.
Either it was a rarity in her life, which she would likely regret no matter what
Or it was commonplace, and I'd guess waking up sore and unsure of what happened the night before is equally commonplace. Regardless, I'd guess she's faced consequence for her actions before, and I don't think a fist to the jaw is going to be a wake up call, but another in a long line of "OMG, I was just out having fun and you will not believe what some jerk did to me" assuming she has any idea what happened when she wakes up.
Contrary to your belief of justice being served and the world being a better place for it, I find it far more likely that this dude took a big chance with both his and her future for little to no real gain. Even the slap you suggest - I don't see the hand to the face being a life altering wake up call.
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I am not in any way supporting what he did. AGAIN, I AM NOT IN ANY WAY ATTEMPTING TO DEFEND HIS ACTIONS.
I would argue he did the exact opposite. He completely de-escalated the situation. It was over when he hit her.
BTW, she looked kind of hot.
I guess for me, the worst case was someone gets punched in the jaw, and goes down. The only person that was happening to was her, as I didn't see her putting anyone on the ground. He brought it to that highest point of damage and volatility.
It went from nuisance to possible serious damage based on his choice to react that way.
Definitely not excusing her nonsense, but I see his swing as a more explosive action than her hitting people- even if his was reactionary.
Not going to totally kill the guy over it but throwing the morals of the situation of a man hitting a woman aside, it's hard to argue he made a good life choice in response to her harassment. Frankly he shouldn't be shocked if he ends up in cuffs, or fighting a friend who happens to show up. To me that's all escalation. You have to look at the possible outcomes and a number of them are much worse for both him and her once he swings.
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here's the problem, the way i see it with a couple of what ifs?
-- what if you had 12 requests like this a year, and you were able to meet 11 of them, does that make you a bad person, or are you obligated to hit all 12?
-- when does this "entitlement" end? cancer, strep thoat, lyme disease? and does it make a difference that the person is 6? what if this were a 42 year old?
-- how/why did this story get out, to embarrass this celebrity? is it also a shot across the bow to all personalities that if people don't get their wish, the celebrities shall pay the price?
-- how much does the contessa contribute to charitable causes? if the answer is dunno, then it's hard to judge. if none, ok, there's a bit of a moral problem. if a lot, and she doesn't publicize it, then why must she be shamed like this. still, we don't know.
judge however you like. i don't know enough of what the circumstances are to make that decision.
jw
You and your practicality. Jeeeeze.
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I disagree .... though not strongly as I understand where you are coming from. Hypothetically a drunk guy might have been more able to do harm even if he was "smaller."
The point I will continue to stick to is that the girl could have been taken away form the situation far less violently. Two people could have easily taken her arms and walked her away from the situation (the guy who hit her was strong enough to do this on his own.)
At some point in this discussion I would hope that people see this is as much about self respect as it is about respect for the girl. The old .... treat others as you would want to be treated. We all seem to agree that the girl was "wrong" in her actions and state of drunkeness. This does not make her fair game for an over-reaction. "Stumble" for a minute in her shoes ....
Agreed. Id also add all the guy did was open himself to all kinds of issues when her head bounces off the ground. Odds are she is more or less ok the next day but should she have real damage- right or wrong in his actions- it's going to be way more of a headache in his life than pretty much any of his other options would cause.
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An assumption we all have made. Alas, it did not happen this way.
One asks why. Surely there must have been attempts at quelling the shameful c-word . But if they were all drunk bumbling knuckle dragging baffoons (as an earlier poster suggested), then apox on the lot.
You're kidding yourself if you think any drunk, male or female, acts this way in a bubble.
Nope - they don't but if you think that the best solution to a sloppy drunk stranger you'll never see again being (an albeit huge) nuisance is to put a fist in their jaw, then I think there's something wrong there too. The only person she seemed to be a real danger to was herself.
I'm not excusing her actions, but in the grand scheme, I doubt she had any potential to impact that guys life beyond that 5 second window for him to walk away- if he so chose. By hauling off on her, he had escalated the situation quite a bit. Heaven forbid he does real damage to her- then they both get to deal with the repercussions.
To insert some speculation..... Truly the odds heavily point to she is in one of two situations - this is totally out of the ordinary and she was already going to regret it --or-- this is normal behavior and short of permanent damage she's not going to change the behavior with or without the punch.
At that point, what have you really accomplished by throwing it? Congrats, you dropped someone for being drunk and dumb. You rolled the dice on your own future and their well being, for no real upside, no real damage even prevented...
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should have never drafted him, however hope he turns out great but just don't see it. He doesn't have the size for an every down back and will basically will be another Reggie Bush.
If you scrap last season with the broken leg, bush has 30+ touchdowns in 4 seasons with those limited touches. Without pulling the stats (again, before playing on a broken leg this year) he averaged a TD every ten-ish touches. If you watch any significant amount of saints football, you would see what a huge cog he is. Draws two defenders every time he's on the field, and that's regardless of the weapons they have out there with him. He is key to making that team run right.
Oh yea, he's their best pass blocker too.
I won't cry if we have Reggie. Even when he has 4 carries for 3 yards, and 1 catch for 5, he adds a ton of production. Those games he tends to have 2-3 guys shadow his every move and while he runs little bubble routes, he's pulling a LB and a safety - because when he's not doubled, he houses damn near everything he touches (see Arizona playoff game- zona was one of very few teams that year to put the game in his hands, and you saw why that's a bad choice). Won't see the HoF, or have the prettiest career but I'd take him on my team 8 days a week.
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I didn't realize that Jeremy Stevens was such a nice guy.
I don't get how a good player could get so many chances, yet alone him.
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Do you really believe the girl was acting as a bully? She was stupid drunk.
1) Bully clearly provoking or asking for a fight
2) Bully is not drunk
3) Bully was the aggressor
4) Bully could have defended himself
I never said the girl did not need to be stopped ... how she was stopped is very much at issue. Yes she was "swinging" and yes her behavior was inappropriate. All I've ever said was that she could have been backed away from the situation with means far less violent.
I'd also add bullying tends to be years. Drunk strangers on the street can be out of your life in seconds.
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Ok so so maybe women have changed. Still this particular one did not deserve to get punched the way she did. Any one of those guys and certainly more than one could have restrained her and pulled her away from the situation. I continue to say she was not "right" but her "punches" were hardly threatening.
BTW this is not about equal rights ... the guy was stronger, bigger and presumably more sober than the girl. He could have taken a much different corse of action.
Would you want a female friend or your sister treated that way?
Agreed. And beyond the matter of male vs female- it was just overkill, as you were saying. The amount of damage she could do was limited to "annoyance" where his punch could do very real damage. Ignore and walk on, or find a way to de-escalate the situation. Escalating it so much that she physically is DONE, just isn't a real option in my head.
I'd be ashamed if my friend or my SISTER had behaved that way.
But let's stay on point. The strong should not physically exert themselves on the weak. Is that why men aren't supposed to hit women? How bout this example:
youtube.com/watch?v=KakZkh9Iu7U
What's the difference?
I suppose the difference is the kid would continue to have to, and has had to put up with the bullying of those other kids for years. Walking past the girl would end a passing situation forever.
I also venture by both the previous reasoning, as well as my guess that a group of kids could inflict far more damage than a sloppy drunk girl- that the damage potential is far higher in the schoolyard bullying than it is with random sloppy drunk girl being obnoxious.
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Word down here is auburn has accounts set up and players get debit cards.
Word down here is auburn has accounts set up and players get debit cards.
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What's ridiculous? Really? The kid decides against rehab in college because he didn't want it to hinder his senior year. He gets drafted by the Jets and his substance abuse actually increases. He's in and out of rehab on the League's dime and he misses a whole season after a 2 week bender. He's blown a chance at a career in the NFL (where he was somehow drafted)...and he feels compelled to mention that "the lockout has caused a lot of problems for me". This comment lacks......a bit of self awareness.
Did the lockout give him that awesome mullet, too?
The lockout caused none of his problems, nor did it exacerbate any of them. If he hadn't gone on a bender and missed a year of football, he would be vested and would have access to an NFLPA HRA which would pay for his treatment--whatever that is at this point. Or, if he hadn't blown his money, he would be able to continue his current treatments through a COBRA extension of his recent health plan. There was no reason, other than his own doing, that he should be without the means for treatment.
I guess I can see how it's less than ideal that the light has finally come on and he wants help but not only because of his actions but a work stoppage he can't control he has to change his treatment. I don't think he was making excuses or pointing fingers- just acknowledging that it was bad timing for his recovery.
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I'm telling you, it almost always catches up with you b/c of the nature of it...but you can coast doing almost ANYTHING as a severe drug addict. And I'm talking for a long time too. People that are drug addicts...certainly the way Ange was where he was a straight up "drug addict" (no particular drug though he was clearly into painkillers)...they have "tiger blood" (for lack of a better term). It's what ALLOWS them to be drug addicts. These people can do everyday things (work ect) feeling in such a way the normal person would be unable to continue on. Drug addicts would not exist if you couldn't function w/ severe problems. You become an expert at hiding it. You can be a drug addict in the NFL! Ange was!
I would add - I think painkiller issues are probably stupid common in the NFL. Probably barely raises an eyebrow til it's really bad and coupled with other drugs and alcohol in a big way.
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I will say his play at Tennessee was late round material. Fifth seemed reasonable without this info, which raises the question:
Did he/Tennessee hide it that well, or did the jets not care that much? A curious dynamic as we debate these draft picks.
Also makes me revisit the mallett issues as it appears you cab be an SEC starting qb and coast with drug issues quietly. Certainly not limited to him though.
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Here's the most incredible part of this pathetic kid's declarative:
The LOCKOUT has caused him a lot of problems!
F'ing ridiculous.
All things considered I think he was taking responsibility for his issues. Would you not consider him having to drop treatments an issue caused by the lockout? It's not like he said anything beyond it being an added hurdle.
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Between jewelry and rent he's currently being sued for about 850k according to pft. Should be a fun lockout for dez. Good first offseason..,
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And this just in, Aqib Talib. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/03/29/talib.ap/index.html
Think twice before asking his sister out
Or his mom.
Though you have to question his hands. Once you have possession you can't go fumbling to the other team.
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i love how he grouped cocaine and heroin with alcohol as the most destructive drugs. but of course, in backwards land alcohol is legal and mary jane is not. keep poisoning your bodies, alcoholics.
I don't think anyone has argued alcoholism is good. But it's a hell of a lot less addictive than the other two. When addicted it's very destructive, and much more readily available.
How ainge was alive yet alone a semi functional student athlete is amazing. It also speaks volumes to how little we know about these guys coming out (potentially)
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I can't believe we don't have a true scumbag at TE. Well let me help out!
TE: Mark Chmura - Had sex with the 17yr old babysitter (allegedly)
Was mentioned.
And I'd recommend you check out jerramy Stevens. Quite a bit worse.
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Anyone else read this Erik Ainge article?
Holy bejesus!
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&id=6267822
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Current rbs Off the top of my head
Ronnie brown
Maroney
Cedric benson
Marshawn
Michael bush
Ricky williams
Larry johnson
Chris ivory (college arrest)
Legarrette was lucky to not have charges pressed
Southern Exposure - What a Difference !!
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Turns out every single team in the league brings in 30. Probably making a bigger impact as it's top 5 names this year.