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I do agree first takes b squad isn't the best but I hardly watch interviews for the interviewer
They make such a difference. When you can sequence intelligent questions and it becomes a convo instead of awkward clunky soundbites it's much more enjoyable. A good interviewer can make a boring person highly interesting and the reverse can be said for Sir Charles. Some of the interviews with espns fill in guys at 10am are just absolutely painful lol
So Stevie, you play football right? Is buffalo cold? Do you still blame Jesus? What have you done to get in his good graces for next year? Do you think you'll tweet things like that again? Speaking of twitter, who do you follow on there? Isn't the word tweet a funny word- odd that such manly football players tweet isn't it? Oh yea football... How about the twitter reaction to jay cutler?
::Bangs head into wall::
Last week they were astonished that Rodgers belt celebration was a championship belt and not him putting on his six shooters. They spent 20 mins on how he hid it's meaning so well and how other players would be insulted. Kris jenkins just looked at them like "are you serious"
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For what he did in his first year in this offense I can only think he'll have a great second year. Give him a TE and a defense that gives him the ball more often and a pro bowl could be in his future. Drew brees doesn't have a big arm, but he is dominating, it can be done.
Drew is one of the best downfield throwers in the league when healthy. I guess, other then because he's our guy, I don't see why people think he's going to jump into that top ten grouping. I think people forget just how many really good qbs are in this league. Could he move from that 20-25 range down into the 15-20 range? Certainly but I just don't see how he could ever make it into the top ten talks. The guys are just as smart and much more athletically gifted. There's a reason drew went 32 and fitz went 230 something. His arm is much better
Peyton
Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Big ben
Rivers
Matt Ryan
Schaub
Vick
Being a top quarter-third that I dont think he fits in, even on his best days.
Then there are guys like flacco, romo, Eli - all much more proven, but I could foresee fitz fans saying that they have warts too. If they fall off and fitz jumps up it's possible one of them could be behind fitz but I'd still take any of them straight up and even send some extra if a trade was there. No?
Then young guys like Freeman and Bradford. Can't say they are top 10 yet, but they look like they are moving up the list much faster then fitz, and neither is on a great team.
Do you think fitz is the only qb behind a bad line? Cause I've seen ben take a heck of a beating even from our awful front 7. Just one example.
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Green Bay and Pittsburgh are the NFL's two top rated defenses...It sure is easy to be a "Franchise QB" with a dominating D, especially if they force turnovers.
If we improve our D, the tune will change concerning what people "know" about Fitz.
You can't teach intelligence, and the post about him staring down receivers is bull ****. He is going to make average to below average receivers a lot of money in this league. Harvard is constantly talked about, but this guys intelligence is not even in the same league as most guys in the NFL...if you give him another year, he will make many believers.
Are we arguing that fitz ben and Rodgers are in the same discussion if not for the D? Would you even think twice about trading fitz, AND a high pick for either of those guys?
You could argue the counter that a great qb would help our d- not playing on a short field, playing with a lead etc.... The two sides feed off each other for sure, but much like our D, our qb position is undermanned if we want to be contenders.
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Thing is - good teams draft for more then 6 months out typically. If you are picking at 26 and need that guy to be a day one starter something has gone terribly wrong. Or you are Seattle!
At those spots you are looking at playoff teams assembling talent for the long term.
Just for reference (going offhand) nola, minny and NYJ all took nicklebacks, Indy drafted a 3rd DE - for the final four teams last year. Keep in mind these teams couldn't even chase FAs last year and the still drafted depth.
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Awesome..another reply that I really agree with! I'm more up on Fairley, and Bowers knowledge wise..but I've read somewhere before that Quinn is a physical freak of some sort..maybe I'm wrong about that? I don't follow college as closely as the NFL but I try to keep up on the bigger names. I realize that Quinn was out to pasture for a year so maybe that's why I lack an opinion on him. I was thinking you could probably move down to the 6-10 range and get Quinn and pickup a second rounder to fill another need. If some think Quinn may be a risk at least you'd be getting an extra pick with the possibility that Quinn may turn into the next Bruce Smith! Hmmmmm..a lot to consider? But, I just don't think Dareus will develop into more than an above average player at best in the NFL so hopefully the Bills will not outsmart themselves once again!
I guess I just don't understand how you haven't even begun to address the fact that he's a multi year player, has shown up biggest in his biggest games, and fits our system better then anyone else. Not to mention he's coming out of bama where he played against top competition, and had a top defensive program and strength program to grow in. Guys like bowers or miller might have more upside but they have huge bust potential too. You reference fairley bowers and now Quinn but knock dareus as a one year wonder - when he's the only multi year contributor... Just doesn't make sense.
I will say I don't see him as a HOF player but I think part of that is he will be doing dirty work. Setting the edge, taking on two blockers and tackles at but not behind the line tend not to get you HOF recognition.
I do see his Career range bracketed between 10 year starter and multiple probowls -- some of the other guys have the wider net of out of the league in five years through HOF.
I really see fairley, dareus and green as the only 3 options and hope for a big body.
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Fitz is an average NFL Starter. We could do alot worse (and have lately)
Until we have that better Player Fitz is my quarterback and im going to support him and his Harvard Degree!
HARVARD FOOTBALL!!!
I definitely think he is valuable to this team, and likely our best option this year. I just don't like how easy it is to rattle off 10-15 names you couldn't even begin to argue he is better then. I'll go as far as to ask the one poster which of the 8-10 guys I named that he reads a defense better then, as that is his strength. They all have better stronger arms, better accuracy, and read defenses better.
Granted he is a better option then a handful of guys, I'd in a heartbeat trade our qb group for about 20 others without question. We are debating his ability as compared to Orton, Campbell, garrard etc.... Not any of the guys I named and could go on to add Freeman, Ryan, cutler, Eli, Vick, cassel, flacco and round out the top half without seeing anyone we could discuss him as an upgrade over. Romo? Bradford? I'd take either over fitz. Even Palmer I'd take in a straight up trade. I feel comfortable saying that Sanchez will have a better career (keep in mind he's very young - coming out early with... 10? Starts in college).
I think he can lead us to 9-10 wins with a good team and some bounces coming our way. I like if we draft a qb, that there is no pressure to rush him.
We are in better shape then teams like Arizona, Carolina, and San Fran. Not a fan of henne. Hassleback is getting pretty far gone. That leaves us in that meaty area of TJack, garrard, orton, Campbell, stafford (can he stay healthy), mcnabb (both could give you 2 years of 58% completions football while looking for the future) if you want to get to a starting point to rank him objectively.
That said, we could do much worse.
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Nice article in the B-News today about Capers and LeBeau and the development of the 3-4 defense when they were together in Pittsburgh in '92. Towards the end of the article you'll find this quote by Lebeau:
"Any maneuver you can implement that keeps a QB [from getting] a dead read on you is what you're looking for...You've got to at least level the playing field enough that they have to gather information after the snap or at least as close to the snap as you can keep it. If they know before, you don't have much chance."
This is one of Fitz's strengths, reading and reacting. A big strong-armed QB can only get you so far if he doesn't have the smarts or experience to read where the blitz is coming AND quickly go through his progressions. It's extremely rare to find a QB who has it all. Fitz has yet to play a full season as the starter. While he has some weaknesses, he has the smarts to take the Bills to playoffs. I expect to see the offense take another leap forward in the second year of the Fitz/Chan (Chitz?) era. Build the defense in the off-season (put the 3-4 pieces in place) and the Bills could find a playoff spot next year.
Knowing where to throw the ball is only part of the puzzle - you need the arm to get it there quickly and accurately. Fitz is a bottom third starter, and his harvard degree doesn't mean he's outsmarting lebeau. I like him, but much more as a mentor and backup once we find someone that can be top third. I think guys like Brady manning brees Rodgers rivers and big ben do just as well or better reading defenses but have the arms to back it up. We shouldn't settle for less.
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i dont understand the whole blocking of these sites, you still see the commercials, which is all that matters to the nfl
Doesn't reflect in ratings, can't charge when selling the commercials
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i see that you like the maybin comparisons, but i dont see them myself.
as a one year wonder, i must point to that sophomore season where he only started 4 games but had 6.5 sacks playing in a 3-4 D-line, which put him 8th in the SEC. Not bad for a backup in a 3-4 scheme. Also a huge performance in the BCS championship.
maybin was terribly undersized, dareus is big enough to play inside or out.
i also know its high school, but dareus put up more sacks in his senior year then maybin did in his junior and senior combined. i wouldnt normally bring that up but you are correct, maybin otherwise only has one year of comparison before being drafted.
just some stuff to think of for the other side of the argument.
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I am not trying to jockey for any one QB. I like Fitz. But for the sake of argument I like Kapernick because he is a local boy for me and is very mobile. I also liked Ponder during the senior bowl (what little bit I watched). I don't think there are any clear cut starting qbs that will contribute immediately in this year draft.
If I worked the front office for the bills I would spend the entire draft on o-line, and front 7 defense.
My reasoning for posting this was to try to show that there are/were qbs in the league that have slower throwing motions. That's all.
Understood. I suppose my point was there are guys that are big/small, tall/short, smart/not, fast/slow... The thing is for any weakness you must be exceedingly strong somewhere else. Even without a glaring weakness you need to have special attributes, so adding even more to the list needed can in fact matter.
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...Aaron Maybin?
Can only hope. He certainly wasn't a 43 end, and only has one year ever playing lb, and didn't have great coaching, supporting cast or mentorship at the new position. Can only hope adding merriman, and wanny and some talent in the front 7 will all help him along. I worry that Timmons atleast had size so he wasn't playing from as far behind.
I imagine having a few more big boys up front, a more accomplished coach and a guy to practice with who's done it before (as opposed to Kelsey) can only help. Excuses are running thin.
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Everyone is trying to key on one attribute that will make the one player that will make this team successful...
Problem is it takes a package. For both the team and individuals you have to be good across the board with a few qualities that are special and no knockout weaknesses.
A qb needs that compact motion as much as he needs height, weight, speed, armstrength, accuracy, work ethic, and leadership. You can make up for one by being exceptional in others but to say one doesn't matter or one is the only thing that matters is silly. A slow throwing motion means he is likely to take more hits. Also means a DB is more likely to get to the ball. Exceptional armstrength or accuracy can neutralize the DB, speed and size can help with the hits, quick reads help with both but to say it doesn't matter is silly. That split second is going to need to be made up for somewhere.
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Geez. Don't you people get it? No one, particularly scouts, give a flying !@#$ if any team was "prepared to play" or who wins a dumb-ass exhibition game. They wanted to get a good look at the kids coming out in the next draft all together and feel Gailey wasted this opportunity while the other coach did not. That is what they were bitching about. They are scouting the kids, not the coaches. Get it? Move on.
This couldn't be better for us. Hands on experience, still being able to scout the north, and not giving as much of the south squads secrets to other teams in attendance. Not great relationship building around the league, but good for the draft certainly.
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Instead of the disclaimer you can post something that takes into account reality.
So not only is your post complete and utter nonsense in that it's not likely to happen if there were a CBA in place, it's doubly nonsense because you know it can't actually happen before you posted it. So in Essenes it's a fictional hypothetical that can't possibly come true.
And I'm the one that needs to get a Life?
"let's trade all of our defensive players for all of Pittsburgh's defenive players, Big Ben, a unicorn and their first , you think they'll do it? "
Genius . . .
One thing I've heard for a guy like kolb- handshake agreement for a 2012 pick, send him a playbook, and see what you can do to be ready should the CBA drag
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Move it back to the week after the superbowl - I like the winner wins the coin toss the following year... Or less likely but if they win they get the ball first in OT. Kinda like homefield advantage in the world series. Real stakes and the players don't know, it could be them in the superbowl the following year.
that said, I don't want the changes but I think it's the only way to get the players and coaches to buy in
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First I put OT - bell is still unproven, who is our RT and what in the world do we do should bell get dinged. I can't imagine bell starting on more then a small handful of teams and he is our best bet. Beyond him it's a ton of question marks.
Next I debated LB, DL and qb.
I think fitz is the most solid of the 3, but no depth and I don't believe we can win it with fitz so truly no real starter either.
DL I say KW is an all pro, dwan is better then average - could start on more teams then bell would at LT. Stroud worries me but if troup or carrington hit, it looks like we have 3 starters for 3 positions, depth is hazy at best.
LB - I hope poz is back, he's a quality starter. Merriman even diminished is a good roster spot as long as he is healthy. Even at 80% I think he is a serviceable starter and he may be great. We will see. That leaves ayodele and Davis competing next to poz. With them both healthy, I think we have a starter and a back up. Could improve but not deadspace ala our tackles. That leaves Kelsey, moats and batten for one spot, and more depth. I don't buy Kelsey, moats I hope for, batten could be depth and special teams. Add one good starter and we have a solid play, with depth.
I went fitz because I don't think we have our guy. It's the number 1 position, and we have a good backup but nothing else. No longterm prospect, no depth. It's not good.
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Interesting comment from Gregg - was rumoured he wanted merriman and this reference leads mento believe he does like him as a player
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That's a great deal - I pay 1000 a seat in new orleans- one of the cheapest venues.
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What crap. The Bills drafted for need for the 10 years before Nix became GM. That is exactly why the Bills have done so poorly. Looking at the best teams talent wise they routinely take the Best Player Available in the first round. In later rounds where the talent is more of a mixed bag you draft for need as the Packers and Steelers and all successful teams so often do. But in the first you should grab the best player possible.
I love that so many people slam the Bills for taking Spiller, but if they would have reached and taken an OT who flamed out everyone would be whining about how they didn't take the BPA. BPA is a strategy, and if Spiller develops into all he can be, he will be a cornerstone for the Bills offense and part of the reason they finally dig their way out of futility.
Dolts like DiCesare would have the Bills reach for Gabbert, Newton etc then they would spend the whole next year saying it was stupid to reach. If the Bills had been drafting BPA for the past 11 years they'd be an annual playoff team.
The BPA for the last 5 first round Bills picks (based upon the consensus rankings at the time):
2010: CJ Spiller, RB
2009: Brian Orakpo, DE / OLB
2008: Chris Williams, OT
2007: Darrelle Revis, CB
2006: Haloti Ngata, NT
If they simply followed the ESPN rankings of BPA and took them in the first round for the past 5 years this is what they’d have right now. So for those who are against BPA I dare you to find me a better track record than this.
Shhhhh maybin and whitner were bpa - not a reach based on scheme....
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I wouldn't rule out VY totally. He's still on the roster - no?
I think he will let the new coach decide, and may give preference to a coach who is supportive of VY
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Gotta agree. If you're hired to do a job and your work is continually ignored by management, then you either tune out or get out. You don't stick it out for 10 years busting your ass to do an A1 job because there's no point. So I don't buy the de-linkage between poor scouting and poor drafting.
The lack of identify is a compelling point. When you think about what kind of team the Buffalo Bills are what comes to mind first? I've seen mock drafts that have the Bills taking Green or Peterson. Both look like solid players. But you've also got to look at your weaknesses. IMO, the Bills #1 problem is stopping the run. How does picking either player help you stop the run? The Pats and Jets have run all over the Bills the past two seasons (Jets have rushed for over 1,000 yards in 4 games). How does a WR or CB help fix that problem? Sure you can address it later, just like they've addressed the offensive line problem in the later rounds for years. How's that approach worked out?
Part of what keeps him here may be the unique agreement that he can work from home (Florida) - allowing him to spend time with his family in a way other franchises may not allow. If I recall he did a pretty good job the rest of his career, another reason I put SOME faith into these endorsements.
If his end goal is to evaluate talent and enjoy his family, not career advancement.... He might not have incentive to leave, even if he doesn't love draft day under jauron/marv. Maybe he liked Donahue and has faith in nix.
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While I'd prefer that the Titans hire George Edwards........I think this is Greggo's job to lose.
The Titans already play Williams' preferred defense and have 4-3 personnel. Easiest possible transition for the Titans, who really aren't bereft of talent by any means.
Only thing is why can him for someone from his coaching tree? Not saying I disagree... Probably just hoping to keep Gregg in nola.
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Highly unlikely. Ralph likes to play with his toy franchise. Meddling with the first pick is probable. Getting involved with the later picks simply takes too much energy for the tired owner.
The problem with the franchise has little to do with the team, and everything to do with the organization that the zany owner constructed. With Ralph, the franchise is first and foremost a business venture and profit center. Until he leaves the scene the architecture and caliber of staffing of this organization will not meaningfully change.
With respect to Spiller I have little problem with his selection. He was rated as a top ten talent and he demonstrated in college that he was a playmaker. That is something the team sorely lacked. If you expect me to be critical of this organization for drafting on the basis of taking the best player available (especially considering their drafting history) then you are mistaken. It is still too early to conclusively judge that pick. In my mind, there was sound reasoning for taking him, with his talent level being the most persuasive reason. There are not many players on this roster to be excited about. He is one of them.
The mistake made with Maybin and other picks such as Flowers, Hardy etc is that the focus was on particular physical attributes instead of asking the most basic question: Is the player a good football player? Issues regarding football intelligence and instincts should have been considered more when making selections.
The organizational structure is a creation of the owner. It works for him. Maybe not on the field but certainly on his ledger books. The owner had people such as Polian and Butler/A.J.Smith working for him who knew how to build a successful franchise. He drove them out. The owner had other priorities. So they were dispatched.
Sounds like we are much on the same page. I don't think Ralph is quite as stingy as you portray but all in all I don't see how you can put it all on modrak. Seems like even great scouts could face the same challenges, how do we know we don't have them here now. I hope with the last two drafts we are seeing the changes we need. It seems we are getting more value at our picks of late.
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The problem isn't his fast fist step. It is his second and third step when the OT or OG consistently knocks him down on his skinny rear end.
Have you ever considered that it is the owner who wants to keep him on the payroll? It doesn't matter what others think, if you please the owner and the boss you have solidified your hold on the job, regardless of your record for the past decade.
its very possible its all ralph. but on that token, couldnt the picks just as easily be all ralph?
i think no matter what, its obvious there was and still may be an organizational issue. whether or not that has changed, we can only hope yes.
whether we went bpa with spiller, or were strong armed into him is a question we may never know. on every ranking he was a top ten player though, which is something we cant say about the spot we took donte, or mccargo, or maybin, or marshawn, or.... even into the second round trading up for poz instead of waiting for either him or harris, taking hardy cause he was tall.... when we very much draft for scheme and need we have failed miserably. i do not think those players were a failure of rankings, but a failure of how we have tried to build this team - create a hole and fill it with whoever happens to be there in round 1 or 2. if huff fell, i have to believe we wouldve taken him over donte. we just had to have to best safety on the board there for some reason.
if you told modrak i want the fastest first step, and he said, well heres maybin, hes fast, but hes only had one, albeit good year, and he will get knocked around if he doesnt put on weight.... that wouldnt be a failure on modrak. we really just dont know whats going on, and consensus can do weird things to a room. likewise a poorly educated dictator can be a dangerous drafter.
just as those picks are a very good reason to doubt him, there are reasons that you can put that doubt on the system just as easily.
all we can do is hope to identify the real issue.
Actually, I think the consensus choice was a terrible way to run a war room. It eliminates players based on passion and leaves you picking the kid that nobody has a strong opinion on. This may come as a shock to some, but even Bruce Smith was not perfect coming out of college. If the war room was run by consensus, the Bills would've passed on him because one of the numb nuts would've been chirping about how Smith was too small and overweight.
I don't give Modrak or the scouting a pass because some late rounders have gotten playing time. I've said it numerous times before, somebody must play. It only underscores just how bad they are that they have to use 5th and 7th round stop gaps to plug holes in the dike because none of their top picks can play.
i agree that straight consensus is awful.. if that was whats going on, i cant put it on modrak though, he built the draft board, not the organizational structure.
other then the example of ellison, im not sure which late rounder that was playing just because we had no one else you are talking about. i listed greer, jackson, peters, steve johnson, and kyle williams. i included with ellison a disclaimer that i didnt think he was all that good but when you look at 6th round picks, hes generally better then his 6th round peers (cue the brady references). I dont think he belonged as a starter but as a sixth arent you looking for reliable depth? based on the system we had, i would have been fine with ellison being a guy coming off the bench.
Why we want to avoid drafting Marell Dareus with our #3 Pick in the fi
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His supposed low ceiling is probably higher then anyone on our team currently. His low water mark is probably higher then most of our players ceilings.
Saying he probably isnt Bruce but he is a very safe pick isn't a knock in my book. Yes, green could be the next HOF receiver, but much more likely is an above average starter. Bowers could get 15 sacks, but let's be honest - where was his production before this year? He more then likely is a 3-4 sack guy that COULD be that monster. There's no saying that dareus won't explode but it seems like he is probably just a perennial probowler in the mold of a Richard Seymour, not Bruce smith. Could be better could be worse but I really see him in that role for us if we take him. I'd take that over a boom or bust guy that has a 1/10 shot of being great and a 4/10 shot of never being a probowler. Value is not just going to be talent but also contract paid at our slot and I'm comfortable that dareus will live up to the $$. If we can get him at 5, awesome, if not, oh well.