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Akeem ayers is a great fit for our hybrid system. If we get dareus and ayers, if be thrilled.
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Clearly, if he was a #1 talent, all 32 teams thought he was a big risk. Add that to the fact he doesn't fit our system and I ask, why?
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I'll say Mark Ingram.
His 40 time was very disappointing. Teams want speed at running back, and he doesn't have it.
Teams most in need of RB are Fins and Pats. Fins need someone who can run wildcat, and Imgrams small hands and lack of speed eliminates him.
Pats last took RB in Rd1 with Laurence Maroney. That was a sour experience and I'm expecting a guy like Bellichek has a long memory.
All in all this is a terrible year for RBs, teams realizing this will fatten up where it's rich .. DL, QB*, WR, OL, CB
* Pundits view, not mine
Saints say they want him at 24
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Peterson I hope if millers gone and pp's still there
I know we've hashed this out some before, but outside highlights have you watched pp7 play much?
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Maybin was a reach by a head coach deperate for a pass rusher. Buddy Nix will not draft a player based soley on need or to sell tickets. You should be happy about that. Everyone is capable of missing on a player. But Nix will only go by his evaluation.
Maybin may have had a clean record, but there is no comparison from an ability standpoint. Newton would probably be a better defensive end than Maybin if they lined him up there tomorrow.
It's true, cam -bigger, stronger, faster.
Maybins first step is a huge draft myth perpetuated by harveys very own mock draft creators. If the guys with the mocks were so good, they would be doing it for a team.
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Post one link to one mock draft of any value that has Newton rated in the top 3, he is a mid first round pick on almost every board Ive seen and not even the highest rated QB in this draft. The ONLY reason he is projected to be taken by Carolina at #1 is because they are desperate for a QB, Clausen didn't come close to getting the job done last year.
It is easy to be wowed by stats, every year guys creep up the boards because they have great measurable s, its his unmeasurable s that worry me. The guy is a PROJECT, he never called plays, they coaches held up a card with one number on it and that was the play they ran, he never was in the huddle, has no understanding of reading pro style defenses or NFL verbiage. Plus the fact that he was caught cheating on exams at Fla leads me to think he isn't very bright in many ways, so his ability to learn a complete new language and absorb it at all makes me think this kid could take years to absorb it, if he ever does.
This Bills team needs players that will have an impact this year, not 3 years down the road. Aaron Maybin was and still is a project at DE-OLB, how did that first round pick turn out?
So if he goes top 3 in the draft, by definition that teams board isn't credible because it doesn't agree with the kipers of the world? Also, maybin is an awful comparable. Just awful.
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While I wholehearted agree with you that Newton has some awesome physical ability, all those plays he made in college were against....well, college kids.... at 6'5'' 250 lbs he was bigger, stronger, faster them most of those he played against, that won't be the case in the NFL.
The guy only played one season at Auburn, Maybin like scary- He has a very shady past with some talk about cheating on exam papers, IQ scary-He never called plays or ran plays from a huddle at Auburn, and in fact did more running then throwing-huge learning curve scary
While Cam Newton may or may not eventually develop into a franchise QB, in all reality he is rated by most draft analysts as a mid first round pick and not a top 5 player. Only a team desperate for a QB would even think about drafting him in the top 5 IMO. Plus they would need to revamp the entire offense into a simplistic wildcat / pistol style if they want to utilize him his first year.
Stating that last part I can understand how this kid could easily be HC Chan Gaileys dream QB to develop. I just think the poor man is over tasked as it is just being the HC without adding a bigger load to what he already needs to deal with, setting up the offensive game plans, calling plays and basically running the entire offense himself. What made Marv levy so successful as a HC in Buffalo was his ability to hire great assistants to run the offense and defense, more particularly OC Ted Marchibroba, who trained Jim Kelly to call his own plays and built that no huddle / k-gun offense, Levy was a special teams guy.
I was not a big fitz fan at first but the guy won me over with his play against some very good playoff teams last season and I believe Chan Gailey when he states he can win with Fitz. This Buffalo Bills franchise has been in dire need of a better defense for years as I have come to loath the Tampa 2 defense under Jauron, and its inability to stop the run.
If this Buffalo Bills team is desperate for something its a run defender-pass rusher- and some O line help as Fitz can't continue to run for his life forever. My dream scenario is Darius or Miller- Peterson or AJ Green and a ROT or TE kyle Rudolf in the 2nd
At 6-5 250 he would be... About the 4th biggest guy on our defense if we dropped him at LB? Certainly faster than anyone in our front 7. Now does that mean we need him or we need to upgrade our front 7 is a different conversation. As ngu said - there's no comparison at qb. He could be that unique guy that makes it all work- size, speed, strength, an arm. Who was the last offensive player we had that kept coordinators up at night because he was uniquely talented? Of course he could totally bust. Just saying- there's a reason he's top 3.
Thanks Ngu
However I disagree with the bolded part, kinda scary to me you stated that "Newton/Darius at the top of the board", all I can do is pray that Newton goes first to Carolina....If the Bills select Darius-Miller-Peterson-AJ Green they will get a top player, future pro bowler, perhaps even a HoFer
Newton has way to many holes and red flags...can you say another Andre Ware-Joey Harrington- David Carr-JaMarcus Russell-Ryan Leaf-Tim Couch-Matt leinart-Jack Thompson-Kelly Stouffer-Cade McNown-Jim Druckenmiller-Dan McGwire-Todd Blackledge-Akili Smith-David Klinger-Rick Mirer-Heath Shuler-Todd Marinovich-Art Schlichter
The Bills are not desperate for a QB right now, they have a serviceable QB in Fitz....if they draft Newton at 3 this year ....then they will have to pass on Luck next year and really screw themselves outta a true franchise QB
I dunno if serviceable exists in qb world without the term backup attached. Either you have the guy or not and we dont. I dunno who it will be but sooner is better than later if we see him.
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This year, the pick of the litter isn't all that special. Newton is a complete project who'll need 2 seasons minimum and Gabbert has too many negatives to be a top 3 pick. Of all the years to have a high pick and need a QB, this one isn't it.
Well... We could hope his athleticism translates ala VY with a winning season but he instead learns the passing game and leadership while developing into something Vince never did over those years.
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bj raji failed drug test at combine for weed and he sucks
I don't remember him having near as many work ethic and motivation issues as houston
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It proves they are losers. Winning teams are not built with losers.
Honestly with Houston I fully agree. He knows he has huge work ethic and motivation questions. To mess this up is a huge deal.
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Only 232LBS in the Senior Bowl. These guys who gain weight before the draft suck because of Maybin.
No one thinks it's impossible. The issue is for every guy that can do it, there's several that can't. It's risky. The draft is risky though, quick little guys plus 30lbs often become big slow guys. To maintain that speed with the weight is what makes the elite guys at the position so rare and valuable.
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Do you have a reserved parking spot?
he walks. you know, so the legs get a workout too.
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Did you happen to read the part where she told the authorities she stabbed him in self-defense?
And exactly how many "mistakes" do you think he'll need to make before he learns from them? Cause by my count, we're on like mistake #15 and this time someone was nearly killed.
Well there was that one time a teammate was killed and he changed into the guy that kicked balls at practice to force his way out of town. Maybe he will find another really immature way to deal with a serious life event.
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Um, no.
If you're making a Watt-to-Kelsay comparison, it tells me you haven't watched Watt play...ever. Go check out the TCU bowl game and get back to me.
I'd advise you go back and watch highlights of Kelsay in college. You'll notice they look very similar on tape in school. Both are white. Both wore red jerseys.
Just joking, but it got me wondering about CK coming out of school... Anyone have film or scouting reports? I bet it's not as distant from some of these guys as you think.
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Even though I stated in the OP that Cam Jordan wouldnt be a jaw-dropper, since people here on TBD have wanted him for weeks, you guys are still saying Cam Jordan would be a Tyson Alulu type pick. +1, +2, +500, etc.
Why? Why would it be a jaw-dropping surprise at this point?
I like Jordan too. His swagger in his combine interview seems genuine and manly, borne of a father who played in the NFL and being raised as a man.
http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2011/2/26/2017850/cam-jordan-press-conference-at-nfl-combine
Unlike Newton, whose swagger seems so contrived. Cam Jordan's is "how can I mush a quarterback with every waking breath?" but Cam Newton's is "how can I get drafted high enough to never have to worry about money, in case I end up sucking?"
What say you?
Taking the generally 3rd-4th end at 3 would qualify as surprising. Not saying it would be wrong, but it would qualify as noteworthy. Also reaching by 10 spots is way bigger at 3 than it is later.
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What do Jesus and the Buffalo Bills have in common? Despite their images appearing in various types of food, many people have lost faith.
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I see why you are now free lancing with bleacher.
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I'm a big believer in second chances, but when I went back and saw all the stuff this guy has done in his past, it made my physically ill. Drunk driving and abuse of women are two things that really get my blood boiling, and this guy apparently had more police visits to his home than OJ did. He's even apparently been to counseling, including anger therapy...but apparently he doesn't learn. I have no sympathy for people like that.
He's a more talented version of Pac man, chris Henry etc... Hopefully his story ends better but this time he was stabbed, as described earlier a teammate took a bullet likely meant for him, he drinks and drives.... These are life and death situations. He beats his wife pretty regulary it seems like...not directed at you post but--- Forget kicking balls at practice, he will be lucky if he's not in jail or dead at this rate.
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Also lost in this - twice over the span of 3(?) offseasons he has had major injuries and seemingly lied about the source.
You know, beyond the legal issues that plague him.
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Fitzpatrick's 2010 numbers are better than Jay Cutler's 2010 season and VERY similar to Eli Manning's average for the last 4 seasons. Are these two "franchise" caliber, in your opinion? They were drafted in the 1st round, they have big contracts, and Eli managed to lead his team to a Super Bowl win. Just wondering because some would say yes and others would not. If you look at Manning's game by game numbers you'll see them bounce around also. Part of that is the reality of playing outdoors in the northeast during November and December.
With regard to Fitz, the late season decline you cite is heavily the result of the Minnesota and New England games. The other seven were not that bad. As a matter of fact, the Bills were the Lindell missed OT field goal and the SJ OT drop from winning six of the seven. Were the 2010 Bills capable of having a 6 and 3 stretch with substandard QB play? I say no.
Those are precisely the comparisons fitz fans should be using right now. I consider both those guys as benchmarks for the second tier. just using some names for benchmarks, without formally ranking 1-20
1st - brees, manning, Brady, big ben, rivers, Rogers... Vick wants to be here. He's probably just below the cut from my call.
2nd- Eli, cutler, romo, and I'd say young guys like Matt Ryan, flacco, even Josh Freeman who played phenomenally last year. Entrenched starters, with a good team I could see them with rings, but on an average team probably not. Consistency issues in a lot of them (ie inconsistent or don't have a long term resume like the guys above). Young guys showing signs of the taking the next step. A guy lilkehassleback is probably the bottom cusp of this and descending. A guy like Bradford is with him moving the opposite way. A guy like Sanchez is sitting here, trying to decide which way to go.
3rd - I think fitz is a good bet for this area, lower end starter to elite backup. Journeymen. Hes probably sitting in the top cusp of this, hoping he can end up in that top 10-15 qbs of the second tier. Can trust a team to them but will likely not get more than a season or two at the helm because of physical or mental limitations. Also guys that never took that next step- David garrard, kyle orton, kitna, gradkowski, jeff garcia, even a Trent dilfer (with his ring) would be the meaty part of this to throw out names over the last few years. These guys can make noise but aren't going to have you knocking on the door every year, even with good teams. They, when placed on a superbowl team, are the limiting factor. Like I said, he's probably the high end of this tier. A strong, winning season would put him at the bottom of tier two, instead of the top of tier 3 for me.
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Really? I had never heard that!
Got to be tough to live with that if it's true...
He's claimed it a big part of why he wanted out of denver. You'd think it would open his eyes but seemingly no.
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If it's not dareus, miller or the qbs
Then id bet heavily on Quinn, Jordan, or watt.
Lost in that shuffle is maybe fairley. If it's not one of those 8, I would be beyond shocked. I really can't imagine one of the WRs, CBs, or a bigger reach.
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Fits is abotu 3% below the average NFL completion rate. That's a pass a game. Care to wonder where his passing percentage might be if Steve Johnson drops 16 fewer passes last year?
Fitz is the closest thing the Bills have had to a leader in a decade. How can you all be missing that? Is he Manning or Drew Brees? Probably not. But how about a gritty Jim McMahon type who makes the entire offense better by being so smart?
The Bills need defensiev help right now. QB is not a position of need.
I like fitz, I really do but I don't see a ring with him. I also want to point out the bills had less drops than almost any of the teams with better %
brees, Brady, manning all had more dropped balls.
I just feel like anyone making comparisons to the top tier guys hasn't watched a top tier guy for 16, or 32 straight games since Kelly. There's a huge difference between fitz and them.
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Weird. Imagine if we had depth? Or if someone gets hurt/leaves in free agency/doesn't continue developing? It would be nice to have some of these questions answered. Heaven forbid we have 4-5 guys that can rotate on the line.
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Nope. You do realize that'd be a "if he adds weight" or "if he drops weight" situation, not a switch back and forth play by play situation. We have our 34 ends, and I'd venture won't play enough 43 to be worth the pick.