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look i'm not defending maybin however he is still very young. he would be a rookie this year had he stayed in collage.
harrison and mathews are in the mid 240 range dont tell me maybin cannot carry that weight. he is faster than the both of them i really dont know what the problem is other than to say he is still very young.
he shouls have stayed in school but DJ wanted a 220 LB sophmore de dont blame maybin blame DJ who drafts freaking juniors anyway crist they just got out of HS. WTF
problem was when he got up to that weight at the combine he was VERY slow.
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The thing that sticks out to me on what buddy and chan both have stated that makes me believe we will not be taking Newton or Fairly is they the both want a guy that has been succesful and a solid contributer for all 4 years, nether has played major college football for all 4 years.
Which is easier to talk about in the mid first and on. Just about anybody that puts up a season worth top 5 consideration comes out immediately. Obviously exceptions but I'd lean on those as guidelines not gospel.
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Not if the guy who scored the 30 is like JP & his agent coached him up to the 30+. The Wonderlic scores are just too suspect to take at face value when agents get involved. JP's 14 was much more indicative than his 30+ score was. Now imagine if JP had been coached the 1st time & had never taken it before the coaching. That's what we're now seeing with a lot of the QBs & why I can never look at a Wonderlic score & attribute any real meaning to one.
Do you think any qb going in the first 5 rounds isn't highly prepped?
Odds are JP was a mid 20s intelligence that had a bad day, and a good day. Give him the test 20 times I'd guess he's solidly in the mid section of the curve. I went to tulane with jpl - kids not a genius but he's not slow either. Just not a great qb.
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Some quotes on him --
"Peterson plays like a low-test guy," one NFL decision maker told PFW on the condition he remain anonymous, "but (if) he's in 'cat' (man-to-man) coverage in the NFL, it's not as big of an issue as it will be for offensive guys."
"He's a press corner," another longtime evaluator said. "His strong suit is that he can run and press. He won't play for the Patriots, where he's disguising coverage after coverage, but I still think he can be a No. 1 shutdown corner."
A scout with deep knowledge of the kid said, "The more I'm around him, the more I love him even more. I love the kid, and I love the talent. But I don't like the way he plays with his back to the ball. He has an instinct issue, and I think it's tied to his mental (ability). He can only handle so much. He's not a quick processor. It's a scary year to be drafting in the top 10 because they all have some issue."
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You have 12 minutes to do 50 questions. Someone could easily only complete 15-20 questions in that time. So is 9/18 really that bad, simply because they report it as 9/50?
Quite frankly the only excuse for that is if his agent didn't tell him "hey- with a minute left if you have 35 blank your better off bubbling in randoms then you are trying to read question 15." and yes, 9 out of 18 on this test even without guesses is a warning flag. There are a lot of beyond easy questions on it. Doesn't mean he's dumb but something is wrong and as a GM it's now your job to figure out what, and if it's either correctable or will effect play.
Also, the issue with testing follows Peterson back to his highschool days and becoming eligible. This isn't a one time- "oh maybe he didn't understand the test" problem.
as I have been saying (and you've seen it mentioned in some scouting reports both indirectly early and directly lately) he doesn't play particularly smart, he plays like a kid who is just faster than everyone else, not a kid that understands the intricacies of the game particularly well. I think he gets the big picture stuff but still for all those saying no knocks or question marks... The evidence continues to build on the space between his ears being questionable.
As for the interviews- he does speak pretty well for a college kid. I will definitely give him that. It's possible he is smart but has a literacy issue/basic learning disorder that makes processing a written test tough for him but doesn't effect him verbally or football-wise. I've never heard him say anything profoundly insightful, but that doesn't mean he has no insight. I can't recall any big head scratchers. I also would express in these interviews that charisma and intelligence aren't the same thing. Both great assets, but not the same thing.
Last up - his favorite team is the cowboys. I don't know about you guys, but I can't remember a smart cowboy fan. That's only anecdotal but still
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A couple of notes.
Jobs is just the messenger. Apple was late for the digital music train. They just came up with the best engine. It was going to happen anyway. The sheer convenience of it all was a trade most people were/are willing to make.
Vinyl only means snap/crackle/pop. The only thing good about it was the larger album art.
Creed was not a product of the music labels. They were turned down by everyone. Some dude had to sell all his possessions to finance the band. They were self-made, whether you liked them or not...
It's true - windup records is not at all major. Outside of creed they have had rather limited commercial success. The bands that they sign tend to follow a formula of talent over marketability. I've done a tiny amount of work with them and assure you they are music fans to the core there. Mark tremonti is a very talented guitarist and quite frankly a lot of Scott stapps writing on their first cd was phenomenal for someone of his experience. Unfortunately he could never consistently replicate it or grow from that early potential. Seems the money got to his head.
Creed put windup on the map, not the other way around.
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Writing in Sports Illustrated, John P. Lopez proposes a 26-27-60 rule to predict a quarterback's success in the NFL: at least a 26 on the Wonderlic, at least 27 college starts, and at least 60% pass completion, and lists several examples of successes and failures based on the rule.[17]
...bottom line is fitzy is smart as hell
and with that, i must throw out the cursory -- who passes?
i know we have threads with the 27 starts, and 60% -- but im not digging right now.
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The whole locker thing has been really interesting for me. I have only seen the guy play twice, and that was this past season. Last year, he was all the rage and everyone was hoping the guy would come out in the draft, etc. What a fall from grace! He's gone from being potentially one of the top prospects in the draft to some lunk head who can't hit the side of a barn lol.
i think it was a lot of draftnik hype. i dont know though. every now and again you see one of these "scout mock drafts" and hes going like 10th to washington. maybe those scouts are hoping someone else takes him early so their guys fall to them.... based on what ive seen i truly believe when he asked the advisory board for a grade last year it came back as a 2nd or 3rd round, not a #1 pick like mcshay(?) had been drumming.
the accuracy issue hasnt gotten better from last year which certainly doesnt help either.
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I totally disagree. To me, Marcel Dareus has that "Mike Williams" air about him. He seems very immature (that's not his fault it's just my impression watching his interviews). He says that his favorite thing is to watch cartoons, he admitted that he's not a workout warrior, he can barely speak coherently.
I would much rather draft Cameron Jordan than to draft Dareus who I consider a huge risk when you have more mature young men on the board like Peterson, Green, Quinn, Miller. I just don't get the Dareus is a safe pick crowd. He's screaming bust to me. Maybe when he grows up in a few years he'll be a dominate player, but I don't see that happening for quite a while.
honestly, im the one that brought up most of the comments and interviews you are citing, and i get the concern but i think i read his immaturity differently. this is just my impression i think he is a guy that loves the game and would hate to let his teammates down. i dont think he is a natural leader, the first in the weight room by himself, breaking down film and finding tips to give to other guys etc... but i think that in a positive environment he is about as safe a pick as you get. you cant totally kill the guy for admitting in a student interview his sophomore year that hed rather be hitting people on the field instead of sitting in the gym alone, and thats what i took the interview as. fact is, its just an opinion though, and you could very well be right.
i also really think that petersons maturity is overrated. i think he is charismatic, which is not the same thing.
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Right, but my point is this: What exactly do you expect to be impressed by when a guy is just out there playing catch? Even against lesser competition, what he can do in the face of a living, breathing defense is far more indicative of ability than throwing routes by himself to uncovered receivers. It's not so much that they have pro days that I take issue with. I'm sure they're a great way to spend time with the prospect and get to know him better. What I take issue with is the absurd stock that so many place in these things. It's laughable when there are reports about how so and so was impressive during their pro day...how can they possibly screw that up??
id put little stock in an impressive day unless there was a certain issue you were really keying in on (arm strength, accuracy) or something they werent asked to do in school (tebows throwing motion, cams footwork under center etc...)
otherwise, its just about making sure they do what they are supposed to do. the absence of failure being an accomplishment i suppose.
like jake locker in the skills challenge earlier this offseason not being able to hit anything is worrisome. ill be curious to see his accuracy specifically. if hes not able to do it in shorts with no pass rush at this point.... yikes.
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LSU CB Patrick Peterson and UGA WR AJ Green, both scored very low on the wonderlic. "Peterson plays like a low test guy" is one scout's assessment.
Maybe with a scout on record people might believe me. I've been saying all week... And offseason... Peterson is making plays cause he's fast not cause hes bright. The thing is he is athletic enough that if you throw at him 10 times, even though he might give up 7-9 catches, he's likely to get a pick 6. He's not a technician or student of the game. He has a lot of wasted motion, bites on double moves, is easily looked out of zones by qbs... But even when he screws up he can recover (at the college level) and when he guesses right, it's 7... As a pro I think he will be good but I'm talking cromartie good not Deion good.
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1.) Look at my #2
2.) Laying out Dexter McCluster is not impressive. . I started the Dareus bandwagon and I think that video us weak sauce.
Not awful.... Helped push it back inside by controling the outside blocker and disengages to cut in and make the tackle.... Can't complain too much.
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I don't why they won't. They could get him cheap & he has been completely humbled. He still commands a double & opens up the field for everyone. He's a HOFer & just wants a ring at this point. 0 risk.
Other than the get him cheap part I don't know if I agree with a single point you made.
I don't think he will ever be humble.
From every impression I've gotten he cares much more about the lifestyle, money and sh-- talking that come with winning as opposed to the pride in his craft, symbol of hardwork or brotherhood of the accomplishment. He may want a ring but I wouldn't shroud that desire in humility.
I don't think he still commands a double team, but may Occassionally draw one, situationally.
I think bringing him back is a huge distraction likely not worth the reward.
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and of course, the proverbial question - where does he fit in a 34 front.
a say go bpa and make the pieces work, and if you have bowers as bpa its fine to go heavy on the 43, but i dont know if thats the intention.
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Is he? Maybe he just doesn't take tests well. Maybe the test isn't a true indicator of intelligence. He doesn't seem to have any problems
being understood. This is just one interview. There are many more.
youtube.com/watch?v=FSCkXnqyViw&feature=related
Be careful assuming anything about anyone's intelligence based off a test. Just because one gets a good score on a test doesn't necessarily make
them intelligent. Change the subject of the test, change other dynamics of the test maybe they will do better or not as well. Maybe he blew off
the test. Who knows.
people can be very challenged reading, and still have fine verbal communication. the two are far from exclusive.
this is also an issue that has followed him for quite some time. as one poster already pointed out, there were issues with his SATs and academic eligibility.
from what i know, from former lsu players ive worked with, if you can run fast, you can get a degree from lsu no problem. not implying those former players are dumb, but theyve confirmed many times that players get pushed through without questions (shocker, i know)
last up, if you look at the knocks on his game, it tends to be mental issues. he has all the athleticism in the world to make up for his mistakes, but trust, he does make those mistakes. he is not the type of corner that is a student of the position, and knows the proper footwork to match a receiver step for step with no wasted motion, he is the type that can outrun someone to the ball once he sees it, even if he is out of position. he is not a shut down corner in the sense of not allowing any windows, he is a shutdown corner in the sense of you might get 10 catches on him, but he will take 1 of your 11 throws to the house... dont get me wrong, hes ultra talented, and that is a hugely valuable skill. im just saying that im surprised by a 9, as thats atrocious, but not surprised by a low score in general.
How does this parrot's 40 time compare to Peterson's?
flying, competitive
running, not good.
also, his hands were poor. id say he dropped passes, but in reality passes dropped him.
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Dexter, what makes you think the Wonderlic is multiple choice? ...because that's what it is in Madden?
The condensed (15 minute WPT) version I took had a few multiple choice questions (e.g. which shape comes next in the series?) but most were not.
I suspect many of the very low scores, especially by players who do much better on later attempts, just reflect the player doesn't care about the test, not necessarily that they are profoundly dim (though I'm sure some are).
one could say they are profoundly dim if they blow it off -- regardless of reason, a single digit score is a pretty solid warning flag
also, the actual test is multiple choice. this we can totally and truthfully confirm for all those wondering.
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Actually, I read that Carolina's head coach and GM weren't even there...LOL
Gabbert's game tape must really not be all that impressive if a team looking to draft Newton #1 overall doesn't even bother to go to his pro day.
I really hope that this dinner with him is just smoke screen stuff.
or they spent time with him at the combine, and plan on inviting him to carolina, so its not imperative to have everyone show up at every top prospects pro day. could be something, could be nothing.
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to be fair, you would expect a parrot to get approximately a 12.5 average if he took it a few times.
i mentioned this on the cj spiller thread, but anything single digit you have to seriously question whether or not the person is literate -- and i dont mean that in a mocking or funny way, but that its an actual issue that comes into play.
if he knew the answer to 4-5 questions and guessed the rest, you would be looking at mid teens rather consistently.
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If its a PROVEN NFL city why does san diego often not sell out its home games even though they are good year in and out?
because when you are good year in and year out people get bored until they think you are great. the bills started to have issues with this later in the superbowl runs if i recall correctly. teams fans see on the rise tends to create that buzz/frenzy to get tickets, and in a lot of ways, san diego stalled out for a lot of the last decade. they were good, but i think the public probably got conditioned to "whatever, they are going to go 14-2 and choke" which is a tough spot for ticket sales. until the superbowl is on the table for real, you arent going to get the sellout buzz back.
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Yeah, that would make more sense. On an average how long would most of that stuff stay in a persons system?
it all varies by test type, and drug.... for PEDs i am pretty sure you can cycle through them pretty quickly and test clean relatively easily if you know what your windows are. i dont want to quote time periods but my impression is you could bulk up pretty well and test clean if you know you are clear til september. i believe its a conversation of weeks, not months to get everything squared away. problem is if the cba works itself out quicker then expected and you are in he early batches or random testing.
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Taking this a bit personal?
you ask as if the fans here dont get just as worked up about the suggestion that buffalo moves.
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Now that their is no players union or CBA, the fact the players cannot be suspended or retro suspended for any personal conduct or substance abuse activity during this time. I wonder if this would make the players more likely (who want to gain or loss weight) to attempt to use these banned subtances? From what I understand the NFL can take no action towards anything a player does during a lockout. I don't know how that would playout if a players takes something now, the lockout ends in 3 months form now and the player has a postive test in say like september, and reports they took something during the lockout, so the conduct policy wouldn'y apply.
unfortunately for this last half of that theory, the positive test is the offense, not the act of smoking/injecting/snorting/injesting anything that would show up on a drug test.
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Maybin is a BUST.....and he will stay a bust.....he will NEVER be a starting defensive anything in the NFL.
so were not ruling out offensive success?!?!?! tight end it is
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i dont mean to rain on any parades, but as soon as that LA slot is filled Toronto is my bet for the next "hot city" to put a team. Switch out Buffalo and Toronto for San Diego and LA and the differences in your paragraph are marginal at best. Be careful what you argue today, it might come back to haunt you tomorrow.
Wonderlic Scores Are Out
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by NoSaint
here are some samples - ive seen almost identical questions on the actual test. and yes, in real life its multi choice, these are just some sample questions, not an actual wonderlic
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html
as im sure you will find, getting anywhere in the 20s is pretty simple, and the difference between a 24 and a 29 isnt really all that telling, i just think outliers (say over 40, and under 10) are noteworthy. obviously not in a certain to fail/succeed sense, but worth noting. if a guy cant get 10 right - something is wrong, and a gm needs to figure out what, and how/if it effects game play, and whether it needs to be or can be corrected. a guy that scores a 6 can still play well, but you may have to pay a little extra attention along the way.