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    Rd 2, Pick 60: DB Cole Bishop, Utah

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    4 minutes ago, finn said:

    Seems like a strong safety, which is Rapp's position. Looks like Mike Edwards is their free safety. 


    off chance Hyde comes back as a cagey vet in a reduced role they could have a lot of talent and package options in the back of the defense

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    Rd 2, Pick 60: DB Cole Bishop, Utah

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    6 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

    It's a good value-meets-need pick. No complaint if he starts and earns a 2nd contract. Seems like a process guy.


    yup

     

    and generally I think they will get the most of him. 
     

    at 60 getting a solid starter is considered a win, regardless of positional value. I think he will be a good player. 

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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    4 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

     

    Yep.  I think the most interesting thing this year isn't who we did, or didn't, draft at wideout.   It's what Brady does with the offense.  Belichick said yesterday that Josh Allen is "pretty special."  I want to see if Brady can build a good offensive scheme around his special QB.  If Brady schemes right, Coleman and the other WRs will be productive.  

     

    Steve Largent was slow.  He didn't run at the combine (it didn't exist yet) but reports said his 40 time was somewhere between 4.7 and 4.9.    Even though he was productive at Tulsa, Largent wasn't drafted till the fourth round by the Oilers due to his slow feet.  The Oilers evaluated him during the preseason, decided he was indeed too sluggish for the NFL, and traded him to the Seahawks for an 8th round pick.  When he retired, Largent owned all the important career receiving records: most receptions, yards, and TDs.  His bust resides in Canton.  Speed isn't everything.  

     

    Beane says Coleman is a 4.5 kind of guy.  These receivers all ran 4.5 or slower:  Cooper Kupp, Allen Robinson, Mike Evans, Antonio Brown, DeAndre Hopkins, Davante Adams, Dez Bryant, Jarvis Landry, Tyler Boyd...

     

     


    boss, telling the story of a guy that played in the era of part time jobs in the offseason doesn’t do what you think

    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

     

    But hes slow according to all the people who know nothing about him, nothing about WR speed, nothing about grading WR's.  The gauntlet time is SUBSTANTIALLY more indicative of a WR's on field game speed than a straight line run in shorts.  


    are you under the impression he plays faster than any we in 2 years?

    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    1 minute ago, vincec said:

    This went through my mind as well- if this is the type of player they are looking for, then why didn’t the just keep Davis? Yes, Coleman is cheaper but he will also take a couple of years to develop.


    even worse: gabe Davis was a bad fit in our offense.

    1 minute ago, vincec said:

    This went through my mind as well- if this is the type of player they are looking for, then why didn’t the just keep Davis? Yes, Coleman is cheaper but he will also take a couple of years to develop.


    even worse: gabe Davis was a bad fit in our offense.

    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    20 minutes ago, SCBills said:

    Keon Coleman at 33 would be extremely underwhelming.  
     

    Bills type character guy who has incredibly questionable skills in terms of translating to the NFL. 

     

    He looks like a monster “Mossing” college DB’s..  That’s a green flag but also massive red flag. 
     

    Seems like an “ok” player.   WR2 potential, but can he beat top corners … ehhh.  No clue.  
     

    …but if we take him, it screams “we took a swell guy”. 
     

    Already exhausted by having to justify the pick to myself.  


    you have to get a bunch more value trading back to consider him 

    2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

     

    Sorry but that's a lazy comparison. I respect people that don't like him as a prospect, but scout Keon Coleman, not Kelvin Benjamin. I also didn't like him as a prospect when I first read his profile. Then I watched all his snaps and I grew to really like him.


    he’s a big guy at 4.6+ speed. He’s a skinny tight end or a slow wr. It’s not the good kind of tweener. 

    Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi

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    6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

     

     

    I think @NoSaint was alluding to this but I've talked about this scenario before with regard to trading Diggs...........the Bills could agree to trade their current pick(s) to the Niners or Seahawks tonight for a future pick(s) of theirs........and then trade it back to them for Aiyuk, Deebo or Metcalf in June.    

     

    But I also think that Beane can pull some levers fast to make cap space. 

     

    It's definitely plausible.


    there are different mechanisms that could be in play if you really want to make it happen. rarely are moves impossible. 

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    Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi

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    13 minutes ago, Logic said:


    Riddle me this: How are the 49ers -- themselves just $6million under the salary cap -- going to eat the amount of Deebo or Aiyuk's cap hit it would take to make this trade possible? Please, by all means, explain it to me.



     

     


    we all agree to terms, it’s the 2025 pick and we wait until June 1 for paperwork? 
     

    also gives some runway for other cap maneuvering 

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    Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi

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    11 minutes ago, Logic said:


    Riddle me this: How are the 49ers -- themselves just $6million under the salary cap -- going to eat the amount of Deebo or Aiyuk's cap hit it would take to make this trade possible? Please, by all means, explain it to me.



     

     


    we all agree to terms, it’s the 2025 pick and we wait until June 1 for paperwork?

    Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi

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    6 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:

    I think you should be able to get Deebo for relatively cheap in terms of trade compensation. You can always make it work cap wise. I do think your WR room gets a little redundant but Deebo is good and you'd still be drafting a WR tonight in my opinion. I'd rather have Aiyuk but I would assume the 49ers would rather have him too


    the redundancy being that they are pretty flexible as opposed to one trick ponies doing the same thing does help though 

    Bills interested in Deebo Samuel per Mike Giardi

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    22 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

    I hope this is just fluff Deebo's agent is putting out there. If you want a WR just draft one at 33.


    im not racing to trade for deebo but swap 2s and draft Polk or similar late in the round is a path to getting back to 4 viable wrs 

     

    samuel-samuel-kincaid-cook with Knox/Shakir would give Brady a ton to play with

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    Kirk Cousins isn’t happy with Atlanta’s draft choice

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    28 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

    Atlanta is thinking to get the most out of these old QBs you need to light a fire under them, like Brady re-elevating over Jimmy G, Rodgers over Love, Favre over Rodgers etc.  There certainly examples to show they are right. 


    none of those top ten picks 6 weeks after joining the team 

     

    that’s a 2026 play 

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    Do You Like What Beane Did in the First Round?

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    11 minutes ago, Gugny said:


    So Beane was supposed to draft a player he didn’t want just to prevent another team from getting said player?

     

    That is cutting your nose off to spite your face. 


    or much more reasonably you could just trade him to another suitor as clearly the chiefs thought someone wanted him before they could get him 

    Do You Like What Beane Did in the First Round?

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    Just now, schoolhouserock said:

    The trade with KC was a good one.

     

    The Bills should have taken Legette at 32. The trade with Carolina is the one I don’t like.

    Yea but that’s just a player evaluation difference and those happen 
     

    if we like Mitchell more and flip flopped, so be it, right? Conceptually it’s not catastrophic unless you are really into the option year

     

    if we decide to go defense and wait til 60 for WR I’m right there with you

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    Do You Like What Beane Did in the First Round?

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    27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

     

    They could. Equally someone else could have traded into #28 (we know the Bills had other calls - Beane told us so) and other teams could have called Dallas, Baltimore, San Fran as well had Worthy still been there. 

     

    I think it is more likely than not that they'd have got him anyway. But it isn't a complete given. And I do think there is a principle question about whether you should ever be in the market to help them. Put it this way, if he ends up a stud in KC l this trade will put some pressure on Beane. 

     

    I don't mind the outcome, because I am sceptical about Worthy as a #1 receiver. But I think there are legit questions about whether as a point of principle it is the right process. 


    if the narrative becomes the bills built the chiefs core it’s bad for beane, bad for the locker room, bad for league wide perception 

     

    if leggette becomes moss it sucks but life happens 

     

    if the bills traded the chiefs a hall of fame qb and a pro bowl wr to continue their dynasty - that’s a catastrophe 

     

     

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    Do You Like What Beane Did in the First Round?

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    Ultimately trading back is fine it’s just 

     

    1) what do we do now drastically impacts the evaluation of whether the strategy was smart 

     

    2) like it or not, if worthy blossoms it could really tattoo this regime/era in a different way than the Carolina trade which was also for a wr. The risk/reward equation is wildly different on a human psych level based on it being the chiefs taking a guy at a position of need for us to use against us in the biggest moments 

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