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I think Acho is reading that thinking Allen should be MVP, while Lamar OPOY potentially over Saquon, if Saquon doesn’t break the rushing record.

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Henry wasn’t on the team last year 🤔. I was discussing the Ravens/49ers game from last year and how that is what was the deciding factor in Lamar eventually winning MVP. Lamar played for one of the 1 seeds, and they beat the other 1 seed H2H with Lamar being deemed the biggest reason for Baltimore having as many wins. This was without the best stats in the league, but good enough. By same logic, if the team can just wrap up the 2 seed this Sunday, I think Josh has the best MVP case in the league this year. It tightened up in the past couple of games, but I think enough voters will still see it similarly.

Lamar threw for 252 with 2 TDs, passer rating of 105.9, rushed for 45. In a matchup of the top two seeds, he was the top player on the winning team, even though he got a ton of help from his defense. If the D helps the Bills win this Sunday to land the 2 seed, I think Josh gets the MVP nod over Lamar, in spite of Lamar generally having the better overall stats.

Have we been the one seed with Josh before, defeating the other one seed during the regular season with an impressive performance?

I don’t think there’s a bias against Josh, Lamar has had a great season himself. The voters have valued wins more than stats alone in recent years. That’s why I’m pretty confident that if Josh just leads the team to victory on Sunday and clinches the 2 seed, he’ll still earn MVP over Lamar. If Josh doesn’t win after that, I could see otherwise about a bias. Some actually believe there’s a bias in favor of Josh this year, since he hasn’t won an MVP yet while Lamar has two, even though they both put up ridiculous numbers and wins.

You’re right about the first part

Man, a bunch of you guys are so reactionary. So because Lamar is having another great game, that completely takes away what Josh has done all season? Get a grip 😆

I mean, you’re also claiming Lamar is winning the MVP as if there’s no doubt about that.

Nah, Josh already has good enough numbers, has proven he’s the stud of the team with his MVP moments, and just needs to wrap up the 2 seed and better record than Lamar. Enough of the voting contingent recognizes Lamar’s numbers are really good too and in many cases better than Josh, but Lamar also has a HOF RB in Henry to lean on while Josh is viewed as having lost key pieces heading into this year. In general, voters going to give Josh his first MVP versus Lamar his third, with overall win/losses being the deciding factor. I think Lamar actually should be considered for OPOY, depending on whether Saquon breaks the rushing record or not.

Bills win and clinch the 2 seed on Sunday, it’s going to Josh.

What is it about ex Packer QBs and constantly needing attention?

Allen actually does have performance incentives surrounding winning MVP. That said, his easiest path to finishing it off right now is just making sure the Bills get the 2 seed or potentially better still. And I’m sure winning the SB would trump any bonus of winning regular season MVP aware.

I get this point, and if it’s close, that’s where as a voter I’d go Josh too. This point aside, I think there’s lot of valid reasons that Josh has earned it this season anyway. One thing he does that isn’t necessarily reflected in the stat sheet but impacts the W/L column are those 1 yard runs to keep drives moving. Not sure how much Lamar is similar from that or not. But to the extent voters have valued wins over stats alone in the past (ie Lamar over Josh last year), one more reason why 12-3 Josh gets the edge over 10-5 Lamar, in my book.

I agree, I’m like obsessed with it at this point. Can’t wait for it to be decided with soon enough.

Anyone thinks there’s a chance that Josh wins MVP, while Lamar wins OPOY? Lamar is putting up some incredible stats this season, although arguably not as valuable to his team as Josh. As a consolation prize, could Lamar beat Saquon out for OPOY?

Still too early to say. Both the NFC South and NFC West are up for grabs too, with losers likely not making it into the playoffs. Even Philly technically hasn’t wrapped up the NFC East, although I’d expect them to do that this weekend against Dallas. Seattle @ LA Rams could be for the division, for instance, if Seattle beats Chicago this weekend and Arizona beats LA. That’d be the win and in deal just like Texans/Colts last year, where the game doesn’t impact other teams’ chances of making the playoffs.

If the Colts, Bengals or Dolphins still have a shot to make the playoffs pending the outcome of the Broncos/Chiefs game, those games will either be at the same time or BEFORE the Broncos game. Just like in your scenario with the Bills game, if the Bills have a shot at the 1 seed, their game will be at the same time or BEFORE the Broncos/Chiefs game. It keeps viewers interested for longer. If the Colts are out of it before they play Jax, who will actually watch that game? But if the Colts still have hope because the Broncos haven’t clinched yet, the NFL can drag out the viewership.

Acho, one of the voters, still has Josh in the lead (just after the 12 minute mark). Sounds to me so long as Bills take care of business for the 2 seed, Josh will get the nod in his book, even though Lamar has put up crazy stats as well.

Right, that is exactly why the Broncos/Chiefs game won’t be on Saturday. You’re giving the reason why that game needs to be the same time or AFTER those other games, so I don’t understand why you keep insisting it could be on Saturday night.

We will see. As for Saturday night though, I don’t see a scenario where the Chiefs/Broncos make it there. Yes it could be win and in, but the outcome potentially impacts a few other teams, in which case the NFL won’t place the game BEFORE those other games. Texans/Colts was win and in last year, but the outcome didn’t impact any other teams.

The NFL likes the Sunday night to be win and in even more. Last year it just so happened there were multiple win and in games. Yes, Vikings/Lions is a great matchup and should have playoff implications, but it won’t be win and in. Probably a better Saturday night matchup.

Ok, maybe you don’t understand days of the week then. Sunday night is when the NFL likes the win and you’re in situation, it’s way more dramatic than if it’s on Saturday night BEFORE all the other games are played.

Are you still talking the Saturday night slot for Chiefs/Broncos? Why would the NFL put that game on Saturday night, if the outcome takes away any drama for the AFC WC spot on Sunday? The Colts game could be meaningless the next day then, which the NFL and viewers don’t want.

Right, but if Bengals also beat the Steelers in Week 18, then Colts win the tiebreaker. If the Chiefs/Broncos game is going to determine the fate of AFC WC and maybe 1 seed, it will either be Sunday at 4:25 or the Sunday night game. Not Saturday.