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That illustrates my point. That’s what the hive mind has convinced themselves of, but the award is for the offensive player deemed to have had the most outstanding season. It doesn’t have to go to a skill player, but all the voters are going to vote for Saquon because they know they’ll be chastised if they don’t.

I agree that a hive mind often exists, I’ll actually be surprised if Josh wins MVP in a landslide. A few voters have already gone on record this week that they’re leaning Lamar (Mina Kimes, Dianna Russini, at least one of the Athletic voters), so unless Lamar is horrible tomorrow, they’ll likely still vote Lamar. There’s a lot of voters that just haven’t gone on record, so some may feel the same about Lamar’s stats being arguably better than Josh’s, even though most of us Bills’ fans know all the reasons why Josh is the better MVP candidate this year. I think Josh wins it, but I don’t think it’ll be a landslide. Saquon for OPOY is a great example where hive mind exists though, IMO. Yes, he’s only the 8th RB in history to rush for 2,000 yards, but if we want to play the stats game, well for all those touting the historical greatness of Lamar’s stats, I think one could argue he is just as deserving for OPOY. But this hive mind thought says that OPOY is carved out for the skill players in recent years. Who says that needs to be the case?

I don’t have the time to do it, but it’d be awesome if someone had a running tally of the known MVP voters, and the latest on who they’ve said is their MVP vote.

I think the reference about the next few weeks just means his play in the playoffs will catch people’s eye. Not that there’s an imminent deal coming for him, but we’ll see.

I personally think we will whoop them when in our house. Pretty sure McD and Babich have a bad taste in their mouth from earlier this season and will have a masterful plan to stop the Ravens, plus we’ll have the crowd in our favor too. And Josh will want to show everyone what a real MVP does in the playoffs.

Will definitely be referencing this info.

Seems destined that it’s going to be Us v the Ravens in the divisional round. Hopefully we can repeat history by beating Lamar again in that spot, and then start a new chapter by beating the Chiefs in KC. I agree with you it won’t be an easy road to even just get to the Super Bowl, but keeping the fingers crossed. If we’re going to make it to the Super Bowl, seems fitting that we’d need to beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead. The pieces are setup perfectly for a storybook ending.

Josh diving for the pylon in the snow is literally the equivalent of the Air Jordan symbol and his slam dunk from the free throw line. Air Allen could literally be a marketing brand, just like Air Jordan. Sounds to me like Josh has Acho’s vote, which is where Acho has been until he questioned his position after Lamar’s performance on Christmas.

Baltimore has 4 even (Henry, Ricard, Flowers and their Center).

I take it this is the CBS vote you’re referencing? I mean even though Josh is the betting favorite and there’s lots of reasons he should win MVP, I would not be surprised at all if it’s a really close vote. Mina Kimes, Dianna Russini and at least some from the Athletic seem to be leaning Lamar. I’m really pulling for Myles Garrett playing this weekend and Schwartz’s D giving Lamar a tougher time than expected, as that could potentially shift some voters back to Josh. Also hoping the Pro Bowl selections further highlight Josh’s value v Lamar’s, but don’t necessarily trust some of the MVP voters to be that smart. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-mvp-watch-lamar-jackson-overtakes-josh-allen-as-joe-burrow-saquon-barkley-hang-around/amp/

Which media pundits specifically?

First Super Bowl game would be a decent reason

Will love arguing with Ravens fan about Lamar’s value to his team now. And Josh is also named the starter. This all bolsters Josh’s case.

Saquon doing nothing in the 2nd half of the Commanders game when Hurts went out and Pickett came in should tell everyone all they need to know about Saquon being an MVP or not. Josh is tapped the starter in the Pro Bowl game and the only other Bill is Dawkins, while Lamar has multiple other Pro Bowlers on his team. MVP voters should take note when deciding who is more valuable to their team: https://www.nfl.com/news/2025-pro-bowl-games-complete-afc-roster-revealed

Allen the starter: https://www.nfl.com/news/2025-pro-bowl-games-complete-afc-roster-revealed

Losing this game won’t move us up from pick #32.

Isn’t this technically last year’s list of voters?

If anything, maybe it highlights that some of these “experts” aren’t good judges of what they’re actually watching.

If you aren’t voting for Lamar, you aren’t supposed to disclose it. Because otherwise all the big babies come out and cry about Lamar’s stats being better than Josh’s.

Sounds right, the Bengals don’t have as strong a running game as the Bills or Ravens.

Right, but why wouldn’t you trade Josh Allen for Sam Darnold?

Yea I had to play it back, he said it quick.

Would you trade Josh Allen for Sam Darnold?

Apparently the Monday matchup is normally 4 v 5, so based on that, I think that’s least likely for us. Given Bal and Pit both play this Saturday, I’m figuring at least one of them on Saturday that weekend. That said, I’d put my money on us playing sometime on Sunday. Given Denver is a 2 hour time difference, it wouldn’t surprise me if we’re the 4 pm slot on Sunday or potentially SNF.