strive_for_five_guy

Are you suggesting that Brad Butler had proven himself at RT, because he hadn't. And what kind of proven depth did we have at RT?

Good to know you decide how other people should express themselves.

I'm wondering how many of the fans at the game with be Pats fans though???

Yea, there is always such astute insight here

Except Lynch is the one doing the hurtin with the vehicle.

Writer's conclusion..."If Pettigrew actually owned Trent Edwards, then he's suffered enough. Someone please hire the man." My conclusion...If Pettigrew actually owned Trent Edwards, I understand why the man was fired.

Well you take those two away and he still has 6 INTs, still two more than the next FS in the AFC. How many 4th-down INTs do the other guys on the list have? Being in the right place at the right time is what producing is about...if he were in the wrong place at the wrong time what good is that? How many times do you watch winners like Brady/Manning pull throws & games out of their a$$ and you're left scratching your head thinking they are the luckiest ba$tards on earth?

You never know, but it's all pure speculation and I just want a QB that can win games for the Bills. Either way, Trent has not played well this year. I do know the O-Line doesn't help though. My high school (a small school) used to dominate the other small schools all across the state. Why? We always had the biggest/best O-Lines (it was a clear distinction), so no matter who our RBs were, we could run the ball against other teams at will. At this point in the year, if there is any hope for the future of Trent's health and maybe career, it is probably best to keep him in as a backup until that O-Line is shored up. As for his trade value, it is probably lower (like people saying, 5th to 7th rounder) than the Bills are willing to trade him for. Have another offseason where we focus on shoring up our lines (O-line and D-line), with a new coach, and then I think we can make a fairer assessment of Trent. I do know we can't afford to screw up the top 10 pick we are going to get in this year's draft.

we are a QB and OL short -

+1

I like Poz' demeanor, character and leadership skills, and agree that his arm is probably limiting him strength-wise on the field. I love the fact that he is from a blue-collar town like Buffalo. But how many times do we have to see him get beat to the edge of the field and outrun before we realize he is too slow to play middle linebacker in the NFL? Maybe he would be better suited to play on the outside? Here's a look at 40 yd dash times against the rest of his linebacker class, coming out of college. Of these guys, nine are currently getting any notable snaps in the NFL (Poz, Beason, Timmons, Black, Nicholas, Willis, Harris, Siler, Durant). http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/playe...s&order=ASC http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/playe...s&order=ASC Of those nine guys, the only guy that posted a worse 40 time is Beason, who reportedly had a sore back on the day of the combine. Put Poz on the outside and get someone with a little more speed and range in the middle of that defense. Then we have Poz & Mitchell on the outside, with some new stud rookie like McClain in the middle. Then we still have the issue of our LB depth, but at least we've beefed up our starting LB corp. Poz & Mitchell can provide good leadership to McClain while he is still learning, too.

And that's probably what is making him slow too

surprisingly i enjoyed that website...the carrie underwood link w/photos topped it off!

Give me an example where it's a guy that has never played in a regular season game.

would be nice. the game is actually in new england. but yea anytime the pats lose it is nice. probably nicer than a bills win these days.

it'd be a shame if JP deserted the UFL for the NFL. he owes it to the UFL to defend his championship in the league he made relevant.

I say let's go big and bring Vince Lombardi back!

Not to say I disagree with your point, but your examples of QBs "overcoming" coaches I'm not so sure about. Unlike JP/Jauron, Bullough was fired during the middle of Kelly's first season. Kelly was 2-7 while Bullough was coach, so he never really had to "overcome" Bullough b/c Bullough was gone before Kelly started winning. As for Manning/Mora, Manning did have a horrible first season in the NFL (3-13, 28 INTs, 71.2 QB Rating). The next two seasons under Mora, Manning had two seasons with a QB rating over 90, and led his team to the playoffs only to get knocked out early. Manning/Mora then had the "PLAYOFFS?" season (84 QB Rating) in which they did not make the playoffs and Mora was fired. Even the HOF Manning regressed in his 4th season in the NFL. If you believe Mora was that bad of a coach, Manning did not "overcome" anything in that season. Mora never won in the playoffs, but his overall record dominates guys like Jauron and Bullough. He's really a tier (or two) above Jauron/Bullough.

A link to JPs '07 stats... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/game...&sYear=2007 I completely forgot that after his injury, it wasn't until the second half of that Jets game (85 yard bomb to Lee) that JP did get a second chance to play again that year. Then the Bills beat Cincy, beat Miami (not that either were good teams), got killed by New England on Sunday night, then lost at Jax. The Jax game was bad enough on JPs part that Dick decided to go with Trent the rest of the year. I'd still prefer JPs big play/big mistake making ability over Trents dink & dunk style, but either way offensive line is and has been the biggest problem for the Bills in my mind since the Jim Kelly days. Flutie is the only Bills QB in my mind since Kelly that had the ability to win behind a bad offensive line.

I think a good modern example of a QB where things weren't working out in their initial NFL experience is Vince Young. But that is not to compare him to Losman...in the sense that even when Vince doesn't play well at QB, he still has the "it" factor to win games. Still think Losman "could" be a serviceable NFL QB, in the right system and with good supporting personnel. Depends if he has truly matured, learned and settled down at all. The guy always seemed to have a nervous energy about him, rather than a confident, positive energy.

Yea, after that guy said Revis is overrated, I ignored everything he said after that.

I agree. For all the stupid mistakes JP made in his young career, the "supporting" cast around him wasn't much help, outside of maybe Lee. If you look at the best offenses and QBs, they are surrounded by strong offensive lines and/or an array of WRs. The entire Buffalo offense has been nowhere near good consistently for at least five years. The way Edwards "won" the job over JP always irked me, because he was winning against marginal teams and hardly the reason for a lot of those wins. A lot of people forget JP made great strides 2006 and how 2007 began. Game 1 was the Kevin Everett/Denver heartbreaking loss at home. Game 2 was against a hungry Pittsburgh D at Pittsburgh, which is not easy for the best of QBs. Game 3 was at NE where JP was knocked out early by Wilfork. Edwards then led the Bills to wins against several bad teams (Jets twice, Balt, Cincy, Miami) and losing that infamous game to Dallas, winning the starting role b/c the team was winning. Based on pretty much two games of JPs play in 2007 v. Edwards in 2007, Jauron went with the QB he drafted. If anyone has faith in Jauron's judgment at this point you're crazy. JP played worse in any game time action he saw since then, playing in an offensive system run by idiots. Bottom line, JP got the short end of the stick, yet bit his lip for the most part through all of that. So far JP's plan of resurrecting his career by playing a season in the UFL under Fassel is working out, though... http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/ufl/news/story?id=4346612

Are you forgetting that Fitz was the main QB in three other games earlier this year (NYJ, Car & Houston)??? In the six games that Edwards played the majority of, TO was targeted 29 times, catching 15 balls. In the five games that Fitz was the QB, TO has had 42 targets, catching 25 balls. So, regardless of who the QB has been, TO has not caught half of the passes thrown to him. It just so happens that Fitz has been throwing to TO more, about 8 times per game v. 5 times per game. Another thing to figure is that each defense the Bills have played may have been playing TO differently. TO's big week against Jax (9 rec, 197 yrds, 14 targets) could be a large result of what the Jax defense was showing - I haven't studied the game tape so I couldn't tell you that one. Source of the stats is rtsports.com.

Agreed, Wood definitely opens up some big holes. Don't worry folks - Wood will be back up and at it before we know it.