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Accountability to who? You? Fine, stop watching the games and contributing to Lynch's paycheck. But spare the rest of us your incessant whining about it.
You really don't burden yourself too much with thought, do you? It starts with accountability to the person who was hit by HIS CAR. We have rules in our society, not JUST laws, that we are expected to abide by to maintain peace and order. It's been found that fessing up /apologizing for hurting others is a great way to avoid the age old, uncivilized resolution process of escalation/revenge/untimely death/more innocent victims.
How basic do I have to make it for you guys? If for no other reason, we apologize to the people we hurt to achieve closure and prevent further damage. Even people not directly affected by the crime are expected to reject people who commit crimes against other people because it is against the rules of our society, not just THE LAW.
How many people here have considered the idea that maybe Marshawn should be afraid of retribution from the victim's family? I'm sure none. It's not because you think the victim's family has no right to seek retribution. It's because we expect the victim to be civilized. Civilized behavior is to be EXPECTED.
If you are still hung up on the idea that the guys car was involved but he might not know anything about the crime that's fine. But if he has nothing to hide, he should just say so. Otherwise it's to be expected that society will reject his behavior and break your selfish little heart by calling the guy out for being a creep.
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I actually do see where you're coming from. I know what you mean. I just don't agree with it.
The difference, I guess, is that even though I think, say, there is an 80% or more chance that he IS doing the immoral thing as you define it, I will not go there right now because of the 20%. I may indeed go there when(or if) it turns out he did the immoral thing.
I'm assuming that the 20% "moral" you are talking about is protecting the suspects by not being forthright about what he knows about the case. If not, please elaborate.
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As someone pointed out before, the cops lie to you all the time. It's legal for them to be "immoral" to you. I happen to think they are lying about the witnesses, due to the fact if they were there I think he would have been arrested by now.
I don't advocate obstructing justice, or blatant lying to the police, but I am a very strong believer in how the justice system is supposed to work, and letting it work. It will be the moral thing to do to be forthright when he is supposed to be forthright. That time is not here yet.
I also have a strong belief, and understanding, of the fact that young black guys trust police to be fair to them as much as police believe young black guys.
I still think you are confusing right and wrong with what's understandable. It's understandable what he and his representatives are doing, but it's a choice and the consequence is looking like a friggin' heartless scumbag with no concern for his fellow man. That won't get you jail time, but it could cost you money and respect. And let me say this as well, there is a difference between being forthright and telling the truth. Forthright is what an accountable person would do. Answering directly was not for Marshawn. Forthright expired a good week ago. Telling the truth only when you have to is not the same.
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No, you're totally wrong on that, IMO. At least from me. I am not trying to excuse it. If it comes out he did it, then, like I said, it is inexcusable, and I think the law isn't strong enough for the offense. It's deplorable.
But we aren't there yet.
When, and IF we get there, then and only then should he be lambasted for his not being accountable. You're just impatient. Face the facts. Because those are the facts. You want an answer now, and you're saying it's a moral choice right now, and if he doesn't give it to you, he's immoral. But that just isn't true. There are scenarios that the moral choice may be exactly what he's doing.
You may well be right. He may be guilty and he may be immoral. And then I will feel like you do now. I just don't think it's fair to anyone to just assume he is immoral when I just gave you a very reasonable scenario. I am not talking about understandable action. Totally denying everything is "understandable".
I am talking about there is NOT a clear moral or immoral choice right now, from what we know. It may lean toward him not being honest about it. That may well be the case when the story comes out. But we can't just blast him for something we don't know. There is 50 years to admonish him for being cowardly. You can't wait a few weeks?
In your scenario up top, I would want to know who did it. I would be frustrated not knowing but it ultimately wouldn't matter to me for the truth to come out instantly or a few weeks from now. I hate the guys on trial now for the 9/11 things but I don't want to just skip the trial and hang them now because they deserve to be hung. I want the law to do its job and then see then hung.
I think you are still somewhat in denial about Lynch's involvement here. His car hit the woman. The level of his involvement is unknown, but he is involved. He is not being accountable for his involvement. I'm not being impatient, timing is important in life. Admitting you committed the crime or know who did is a lot different than obstructing justice, making someone prove it and then showing contrition after you got caught.
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Now the real question is, when are you all going to apologize when it all comes out that he was not driving. I demand an apology when we find this out since you all felt it necessary to shoot off your mouths
Granted, if he was just riding in the car or obstructing justice we will all look pretty silly because that would be OK.
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That's bullschitt, IMO. I think the vast majority of people "defending" him, aren't defending him at all, and aren't defending the act whatsoever (only a small number are doing that) They are defending the idea that we don't know if he did what you and others are accusing and some convicting him of.
So you don't know if he is at the very least withholding information about this crime from the police? You say he might have no knowlege whatsoever about what happened?
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So if you were Marshawn, and weren't driving, and your teammate on the Bills was, or your cousin, or your good friend, and he came to you and said, "I screwed up bad. I feel awful. I want to make this good but I spoke to a lawyer and he said the absolute worst thing to do for me, and you, was for either of us to talk to the police or the press. Please let the guys who know what they're doing handle this. I'm sorry. We'll make it up to the woman when we can."
You would call a press conference and turn him in?
What you are asking has nothing to do with what's right or wrong. I've said repeatedly that what he is doing is understandable. A great many selfish acts are understandable. And yes, protecting your entourage or family is a self interest situation.
What you appear to want to say is that it's somehow EXCUSABLE because you can understand why he's doing it. Not the accident itself, but the act of not being accountable. If you want to make such an argument then what if his cousin runs down your kid with Lynch's car and they uses Lynch's silence to protect his cousin from justice? What's your take then?
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O RLY? His car = he was there now?
Stop embarrassing yourself with this line of reasoning.
Let me walk you thru this....when your car runs someone down you are involved whether you were there or not. The level of involvement is another issue. If your car was stolen you say so. If not, it's to be assumed you know who was in it at the VERY least. That's not jumping to conclusions, that's common sense.
Please enlighten us as to what other scenario is being overlooked.
I mean, do you think he fired up his car, put on a blindfold and called out to the public that his car was free for anyone to drive as long as they returned it to HIS DRIVEWAY in a couple hours? I understand you guys just want this to go away but don't blame me for pointing out the obvious.
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This Lynch thing has been buggin' the shiiit out of me lately, and I've been trying to understand why it bugs me so much.
First...yes...I'm glad the person who was hit is okay. Everyone happy about that I mentioned that? Good. God forbid anyone thinks I'm a douchebag for supporting someone who left someone else for !@#$ing dead.
At first, I thought "I hope this isn't true, because I really like this guy." What I mean is, as a guy, I really like him. The enthusiasm, the lightheartedness, the momma. Dig it. AND...as a football player, I completely dig him, and I'm enthused the offense has some stuff built around him because I think he's a !@#$ing monster. Granted, maybe I just like his play on the field after suffering through McGahee's apathy, but I don't care. I dig him. I don't want to see him fail.
Then I thought, "I hope this isn't true because we just hobbled through a season of injury, have reason to be optimistic for the upcoming health of the team, and now we have to be reminded that injury isn't the only thing that can !@#$ with a team's performance."
But then I read this post, and a lot of posts like it, and I realize what bugs me the most: regardless of how this turns out, for better or even worse, the online Bills fan will FOREVER rake this dude over the coals through the sheer strength of their own self-important egomanical assumptions for as long as another online fan will mention his name. We're still mentioning Marangi! Do you have any idea how long the online fan is going to have to listen to these self-righteous muther-!@#$ers lord over anyone who even mentions Lynch?
"Yes, he had a 2500 yard season, but he LEFT A PERSON FOR DEAD!!!! HAVE YOU NO MORALS????"
Light up, muther!@#$ers. Judge not...
Oh, poor Marshawn. It's not fair that people will be calling him out because he was unaccountable.
Stop embarrassing yourselves with this "apparently Marshawn is guilty because some fans say so" sarcasm. The crime happened and it was his car. There is no question of his involvement. None. It was his car. The question is his level of involvement. Obviously, Marshawn could have avoided being bashed for hit and run by not leaving the scene.....but much easier than that he could have avoided it by stepping up soon after it happened. Even a lame-ass, "I didn't know someone was hit" and apology would have appeased practically every Bills fan. We want to give our players the benefit of the doubt.
Mistakes happen.
Men are supposed own up to their mistakes. You can't trust unaccountable people. That doesn't suit a lot of Bills fans needs in this case, but concern about the lack of integrity is particularly why sports leagues are coming down so hard on those who lack it. They know we don't like cheaters, and people who use the system to circumvent the rules(or the law) are cheats.
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I would definitely love to see the Bills to take a chance on Jones. Consider that it takes most receivers about 3 years to adjust to the NFL game. Moulds was thought of as a bust at one time. Jones has never played receiver in his life and still put some decent numbers on a run-first team. I'd be all over Jones if he was available.
Well put. The only thing I'd add is no guarantees for him. He has to prove himself with no risk to the team. Two year, heavily incentive laden deal. Unfortunately, A LOT of teams will be all over Jones if he's cut and that competition will lead to him getting guarantees he does not deserve. Too much excess cap room nowadays.
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honestly... I could care less what happened, as long as he is on the field against the seahawks
You and just about everyone else who is defending him. Difference is you are being forthright. They are running a campaign.
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I prefer to wait until someone is actually convicted of something to render judgement. I'm pretty consistant that way.
What exactly do you mean by "moral courage"? I'm not sure I've used that phrase and that's probably for good reason, since it makes no sense.
So, are you waiting to render judgement on OJ or was his acquittal enough evidence for you? I'm not comparing the two cases, just making the point. I'm sure you are well aware that the law also provides opportunity to get away with crimes. So I kinda' doubt you are "pretty consistant that way".
The "moral courage" term comes from Ronald Reagan in your pretentious sig line. Man, you are really off your game.
You guys should take a cue from the quality of your responses. You are trying to defend the wrong thing and reaching for excuses because of it.
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No, it's my opinion is that he has the right to defend himself as he sees fit within the confines of the law. Apparently you don't.
All evidence to the contrary.
Let me repeat myself, this is NOT A COURTHOUSE. Translation: I have never questioned Lynch's rights. What I've questioned is his accountability.
No accountability, no second chance.
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Except he didn't stop, so now he has to do WHAT IS BEST FOR HIM. That means getting a really good lawyer and letting the guy do his job while you sit at home and keep your mouth shut. That's the system, regardless of whatever perfect world you're looking for.
And it's going to be really interesting to see just how far the Commissioner pushes this given the precedents set in cases like Leonard Little's.
You have been conspicuous by your absence. Now I see why. Less than nothing. BTW, how does Lynch fall in your "moral courage" category?
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Nobody's blaming her and I think everyone expects this to cost Lynch a pretty penny. No issue there. Assuming he was driving, he deserves it and he's got the money.
For the love of God, please go back and read the post from the 'Zone about how our legal system works. Presenting a defense is a lot smarter than 'begging for mercy'.
Once again, it's not a misdemeanor until they agree to something to plea to, which is why they are handling it as they are so as to ensure that there won't be jail time. A PR 'disaster' is a small price to pay compared to jail and beside tend to have a very short shelf life in this country. And you can bet that the minute he rip off a game winning TD no one will give a damn about this incident.
I realize that your personal impatience should dictate the legal defense of someone you've probably never met, but I think if you can hold out just a bit longer we'll get all the answers.
It's your opinion that he's doing the right thing, it's mine that he's done the wrong thing. That's it. You don't need to bang your head on the wall, this isn't a courtroom. You'll have your day to extoll the virtues of due process.
But, there is going to be a divide on this issue. Here. In the stands. In the locker room and in the offices at OBD. I'm all for giving people second chances, mistakes happen. But a lack of accountability from a star player is the bigger issue for the Buffalo Bills, who have shown precious little fortitude the past 8 years. Contrary to offseason optimism, this is still a losing organization. I believe turning it around kinda STARTS with accountability. If he can't sack up now, what's he going to do when the going gets tough on the field and he's got easy targets like Jauron, Schonert, Edwards etc.. to blame? That's where character matters.
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So now you see why the players feel no remorse in asking for new contracts even when they are under contract.
I still think it's because careers are short. Not because teams are free to cut them for practically any reason if they are proven, die-hard turds.
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He has not even been charged yet and yes the cops know where he is if they want to charge him. He is being tried in the press including by the cops with press releases. Let the process procede before determining him guilty of anything.
This isn't a court of law, the guy is being given due process and the media is being kind, IMO. We on the other hand, are free to speculate based on what we know. If you don't like it, don't read it.
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This guy's living in never never land.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_9517147
"Show up, 'fess up and handle it. Contact the victim, apologize and offer game tickets or a visit to team headquarters or whatever is necessary to put a half-smile on her face and a good vibe in her heart.
Then move on. But never forget."
I think that it's going to take a whole lot more than a couple of game tickets to appease this woman. A civil case asking for hundreds of thousands will be more like it.
And who could blame her at this point? I'm going to jump to another wild conclusion here, but when someone hits you with a car and drives off like they just clipped a woodchuck.....it probably hurts your feelings too. Dehumanized much?
Accidents happen, and if someone had stepped up earlier and apologized it likely would have been a MUCH different story than it is now. Certainly not just a couple tickets, she's had medical attention and may want some cosmetic work on her new zipper which costs money. But when they are waiting for someone to legally prove they did it before apologizing.....that's a huge FU to the victim and begs for no mercy whatsoever from the judge in civil court or from the commissioner of the NFL.
Everybody is defending his counsel, I think they've made a misdemeanor into a potential PR disaster. He won't see jail time. He won't be cut because Jauron won't survive a step back this season and can't risk it. But goodwill is an important thing to have with Bills fans, and you can bet the minute he fumbles away a game his character will be called into question.
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Maybe it's just me - but isn't it better to have a rated coach instead of an underrated coach?
That's right. Jauron may be seen as underrated because people consider external factors as the reason for his lack of success. What they don't take into account is that in his second go as a full time NFL head coach, the talent he has lacked in some areas on the field is IMO a concession to him.
Perception is reality to NFL players, and he brings a lot of losing seasons to the table. That kind of stuff undermines him to vets who want a guy who just gets results. Exit cynical vets or ones who've had success elsewhere. And his reputation as a players coach to a fault means that he needs self motivated, accountable guys in that lockerroom who won't take advantage of his tendency to make excuses for his players. Exit guys like McGahee. A "rated" coach can deal with more types of personalities and win.
In essence, they've built this team around Jauron so it's hard for me to call him underrated.
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Since we don't know all the facts, and we're all jumping to conclusions anyway, I'll take one known fact and go off of that: the woman wasn't backboarded at the scene and was actually allowed to walk to the ambulance. If you know anything about EMS, you backboard a victim who fell and hit the ground, even if it's just suspected, and ask questions later, allowing a doctor to clear the C-spine. Since she wasn't, apparently she didn't fall. So then the driver probably didn't think he hit her and/or didn't think he hit her hard. And obviously with the minimal severity of the injuries, that proved to be the case.
Then again, I guess she COULD have had the only EMT in the world to not know that you backboard every suspected fall victim...
And I'm sure that's what a lot of us thought last week. They got away without getting a DWI, they know she's not mortally wounded, now somebody will step up and admit they were driving, claim they didn't realize they hit anybody and that they weren't drunk and get a slap on the wrist. Not right, but at least some accountability.
Something tells me if Lynch were due a $5 million bonus next week he would have said something by now. But in this case, I'm sure his attorney and agent are probably on the same page. Take no responsibility whatsoever until they have you dead to rights, and in the worst case scenario if your lack of accountability costs you a spot on the team you can always go get another big signing bonus elsewhere.
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I'm glad the Kobe Bryant case and the Duke lacrosse case taught us to let the facts play out before our rush to convict takes over....It was hard to listen to the morality police screaming from their high horse in those instances, grandstanding about what should be done to these criminals (because apparently these people had some inside information on the case that the rest of us didn't have)...
But I'm glad that's not happening here.
In those cases it wasn't even clear if there was a victim, let alone a crime. This girl was hit by Lynchs' car. There is a victim, there was a crime and at the very least he knows who did it.
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Badol, the whole thing sucks. I for one wonder just how drunk he was. He seems to have made a very bad and greedy decision, something typical of drunks.
My GUESS is that if the reports of other players being there are true (and I thought/posted this from the beginning), they were either draft picks or marginal players. In am guessing that they felt intimidated in terms of giving him up. Think about it.....they would fear being labled by fellow players, and even team management as the one(s) who turned in a star player. There is a lot of money at stake.
In any event, I see your points and understand your feelings. There will always be a cadre of posters here who will support any player in virtually any situation. I understand this because it is a Bills board. They can make you the "bad guy" here all they want, but you, as a life long fan and season ticket holder, put your time and money where your mouth is.
I have no way of knowing how this will play out, but imo, the odds of Lynch doing jail time are not great. Again, it is just a guess, but I think he will be suspended. This is not what the Bills, Bills Fans, nor WNY needs. We deserve more, as did the girl laying in the street. Tell me please....does Shaun Alexander have anything left?
Thanks yet again for your kindness at tailgates to my "crew", insights, draft predictions, and for being a great poster on this board! See ya at the Raider game!
Thanks for your support. The Bills have kind of set themselves up for this with their SANCTIMONIOUS approach to building this team. They've got a lot of quality men by football standards but it's hard to fill all those talent needs without ending up with a few guys who think the rules of society don't necessarily apply to them. When all factors are weighed, if Lynch is guilty he should be sent packing for the good of the organization, not because he "deserves to lose his job". However, I don't really look for a retread to come in. Decent young RB's come and go, and they can come out of nowhere. Alexander is done.
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There are really two issues here, aren't there? (1) Is this a crime that's so bad that the police lock him up? and (2) If not, is this an offense that's so bad that he deserves to lose his job (i.e., the Bills need to cut him)?
Are your answers 'yes' and 'yes.'?
I'm pretty sure the DA's and the Bills' answers would be respectively "no" and "no."
If he's guilty the Bills will be in a tough spot. IMO, they should cut their losses if that's the case. I like Lynch as a player, but RB's come and go. I've been critical of plenty of personnel moves, but the Bills decided turning this moribund franchise around was going to be more about character than talent and they took the hard road to get where they are now so changing course at this point would be a mistake.
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Look up "sanctimonious" and then shut up.
If it is santimonious to criticize someone for being involved in injuring an innocent person and leaving them for dead in the street, then let me cast the first stone. Like I said guys, it's not justifiable. Understandable, yes. Wrong, in no uncertain terms YES.
Who were the other 3 Bills in Marshawn's SUV?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Ima say:
Steve Johnson
James Hardy
Christian Gaddis