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I want a young, energetic, coach that will bring an aggresive defense and a smash mouth offense. I like Mike Tomlin type coach. Not jauron, who is like the walking dead.
Mike Tomlin - Dick LeBeau = Fired
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If the Bills had ANY sense, they would have put in Hamdan as soon as they saw this typical Losman script playing out in front of us.
We should be huddling together as fans, tired and exhausted by the same old story playing out each week; that is, whenever we play a team with a winning record, and sometimes when we play a team with a losing record as well.
You need elite coaching in this league, and while I like DJ, he and his staff have proven nothing.
Nothing.
Ah, the concession speech.
You have finally seen enough to admit Jauron has proven nothing. You were wrong for supporting him so adamantly in the past.....for the very same reason. The record didn't lie when he got here, and nothing has changed. Jauron is a not a good NFL head coach and never will be. Here's hoping that he is canned, and replaced by someone who has proven to be a winner. It would be nice to actually have a winner in tow, instead of having to listen to apologists opine about why the current loser needs to be given a chance.
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Haha, okay. Then if that's the case, the Bills organization could safely charge what the Bears charge and not worry about a lack of attendance.
Not hardly, but they haven't maximized revenues either. Just pointing out that you don't know sh*t about how they price tickets. Frankly, your opinion in general is quite fact free. But perhaps you can find the people in charge of precision pricing in the media guide and let us know.
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Well, San Jose is about 50 miles from the bay area, take the rest of them out and you've still got more than 30 cities. Doesn't really negate my point.
The POINT that you seemed to have missed: despite 50 years of up and down (mostly down) history, the citizens of Buffalo, aren't even REMOTELY deserving of an NFL team. The city is not what it was when it was given a team, and even though they pay for (the cheapest) seats, and sit in the cold (just like a dozen other teams' fans), the team hasn't done jack crap since the 90's, and did very little prior to that. So, when it comes to "deserving" a team, I'm not exactly sure what you folks use in favor of your argument. Well, I do know, but it's not an argument that holds any water outside of Bills Country.
Buffalo the city doesn't have a team. They play in Orchard Park, and represent the region which includes WNY, CNY, NW PA and southern Ontario. They are trying to extend that range to greater Toronto. I've been to many a city on your list, and they are relative outposts to the sprawl that runs from Syracuse to Hamilton and south to Eerie, which is essentially Bills country.
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So you're not aware of Brandon's background then?
Yeah, I'm full of it all right...HA!
Please, then, prove to me that the Bills ticket prices are COMPLETELY objective.
Kid, you truly don't know sh*t. You obviously aren't a regular at the stadium. People ask the ticket department about this stuff on a regular basis. As in, "Why is it my seat here costs the same as this seat THERE and everybody in my section would give their left nut to sit there instead?". The Bills simply have a general pricing scheme that is FAR from precise. Some of the best seats in the house are cheaper than bad ones. And I'll give you a link, 877BBTICKS. Call them and ask for yourself about their precision pricing. Maybe they will link you to the people who you think are there specifically for that purpose.
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So Marshawn dropping the ball on 3 and 9 is Jauron's fault?
May be they should have run on first and goal. But it's the COACH'S fault that Losman threw it RIGHT to the defender?
C'mon, people! If you're so hung up on the importance of the coach, then you should be at arms over the fact that the PLAYERS make 2-3 times as much money as Jauron!
Apparently, you didn't see our opponent today. The Dolphins have significantly less talent than the Bills. They beat the Bills all day with a lineup full of rookies and leftovers from their dreadful team of last season. Their coaches get production because they demand it. As they said on the telecast, at first Joey Porter didn't like the idea that he was playing for his job everyday........but now his career has been revived and they've gone from 1-15 to 8-5. Who'd have thought coaching could bring out the best in players? Or create synergy? So, yeah, in some part dropping passes on 3rd and 9 IS the coaches fault. Or running routes short. Any number of failed plays fall back on the coaching, especially this late in the season.
And yes, we have long been up in arms about the coaching. And with good cause. Ralph's cheapness with regard to hiring management is very old news. That said, Jauron didn't even deserve the job, let alone a big paycheck. This job should be given to a winner and they should be paid commensurate to other winners in the league.
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Yeah, you do. Turns out they hire marketing representatives that price the tickets PRECISELY where they can afford to sell them. Seriously, do you know anything about "business?"
For the record, this is not true.
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If the Bills are "over-achieving", that speaks well of the coach, and suggests that a rebuild IS necessary. If you believe that the Bills do not need rebuilding, and would have more wins with a better coach, aren't they UNDER-achieving, right now?
OK, now that we've settled that, what coaches, who are guaranteed to win, are available and willing to come to Buffalo? Just curious.
They aren't achieving, period. Three years into the play-not-to-lose regime, they still have to play not to lose to compete. Has anyone noticed that not only does Jauron not beat winning teams, but he specializes in beating losing teams that are taking the chances to get better that the Bills are NOT.
I mean, look at 2006. The Bills beat both GB and Jacksonville. The following year both of those teams are playing in their conference championship games and the Bills aren't a bit better. In 2007 the Bills won 5 games combined against Washington, NYJ and Miami. Those 3 teams got BETTER this year. The Bills have not.
If the Bills are on the rise as some of you think......why aren't they taking the next step? This year, they got an EASY schedule and will be lucky to finish .500. Face it, they are treading water.
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Wrong. We want to think what we have is better now, but that other team had more playmakers and more durable talent. No DE today as good as Schobel then, no LB today as good as Fletcher then, no CB today as good as Clements then. Milloy was still as productive as Whitner is today.
That was an older team that had plenty of holes, but what Levy did was come in and create more holes IN ADDITION to the needs they already had. To the point where this roster 3 years later the talent is spread out a bit better, but there are far less playmakers. 3 years later they should be A LOT better considering the draft position they've had and the money they've spent in FA.
What's more, they now need to find replacements for a lot of Donahoe's good draft picks and UDFA's who this team relies on a lot more than so called starters like Ko Simpson or Keith Ellison. The general belief is that this is a "young" team, but it's not. It's a team where the majority of key players are well into their prime or in the case of the DL, well past it.
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Its that as well, but the reason that the Bills' schemes suck is because they don't have the personnel to do much else and more importantly, actually have the opposing defense respect it. Opposing defenses are not afraid of the Bills' other receivers and can concentrate on Evans. They know that the rest cannot consistently burn them. You can run Robert Royal underneath all day, for instance, but nobody really cares. He may catch 4 passes for 40 yards, but odds are, he'll either fumble one of them or somehow cause an interception. Defenses can gamble that he's not really going to hurt them, and 9 times out of 10, its a good gamble.
I'm not defending the coaching staff at all. Its an indictment of both the front office and the coaching staff that they do not bring in the players that they need to run a credible passing attack.
The coaching has been mostly terrible, but you are right, the constant has been the lack of a good OL and a good receiving TE. Not having a top TE KILLS this team because their top receiver does all of his best work along the sidelines and no threat in the middle means it's easier to defend him. Other than Josh Reed, none of the receivers gets anything done in the middle of the field, and while Reed makes important plays, he doesn't make big plays.
I am all for running the hell out of the football, especially when your team is in a rut like the Bills have been in for the past two months. I've been advocating run it, run it, run it and punt it for a month now. They couldn't do much worse than they've done against Cleveland and SF even if they never threw a pass. But the original poster's claim that we haven't had coordinators who focused on the running game is not correct. All Fairchild wanted to do was run the ball. But he couldn't put a dominant run game together because they had two starting lineman who weren't athletic enough (Dockery and Walker) and two who weren't strong enough(Fowler and Butler), and no respect at all for a passing game lead by young QB's who didn't have a dangerous short range option to keep 8 man fronts honest.
The premise of the post I completely agree with, however. The first objective of an organization should be maximizing the performance of your QB and the Bills are terrible at this. It's the easiest way to achieve long term success. The best way to do that is to focus on the offensive line first.
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The stage you are in is denial. You think the football isn't that bad, it's that the media says it is. 9 seasons without a playoff appearance puts you in the bottom 10% of the league in that category, which is bad whether you listen to sports talk radio or not.
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Link?
Why? Were you not aware of this when Jauron was hired? The guy was more beloved than a teacher who gives open book final exams.
The day will come when it becomes clear to you that the guy is a sweetheart of a guy but a weak HC.
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I sort of agree, but the simple fact of the matter is that NFL teams are all the same -- 10+ new guys get added every year, and 10+ guys from the previous year get dumped. The Bills go same the constant churn as every other team. Now they may *think* they're safer under Jauron, but really, they're not.
Statistically, that's probably about right. But I'm not talking about the fringe players and free agents you speak of. The tone is set by your stars. If they don't display qualities of greatness, then the team isn't going to. There is no greatness on this team. None. Teams like the Patriots have greatness in spades. Even if it's just someone like Kevin Faulk being a "great third down back", they have it. Jauron doesn't demand greatness and IMO, he's not capable of bringing it out of his players. He wants it to blossom from within, but even a guy like Whitner who is full of desire can't necessarily do it on his own.
I'm sure your going to ask me what I think "greatness" is. Great players consistently beat the opponent with extra and sometimes unexpected actions that come from having a greater understanding of how to play the game. The Bills best player is Lee Evans and while he's put up a ton of big plays, I've never seem him do anything great that wasn't all about him just being faster than his opponent.
The Bills are awash with talent, but I think this team has a lot of players capable of being great. Edwards, Lynch, Evans, Peters, Reed, Schobel, Jackson...there are plenty who are capable of being those guys who find ways to WIN. They don't have the proper leader to bring it out of them.
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Hearing that the players are "very upset with the situation in Buffalo" is kind of a relief. But, I wonder how close Thurman is to the current players, or he is just stating what should be obvious.
From the Wawrow article on the sharks circling Dick Jauron:
Though Lee Evans has questioned the offensive play-calling at times this season, the receiver defended Jauron.
``I don't think that it's valid,'' Evans said. ``We respect him. We can communicate with him and we love him as a coach. I guess criticism comes all the time. But it's nothing taken serious here.''
Jauron also has Whitner's support.
``He's done a great job around here. He's changed the culture around here from a losing attitude to guys believing that they can win,'' Whitner said. ``It's up to us to get it done. I don't feel like he should take any criticism at all.''
The Whitner comment really strikes me...maybe I missed it, but I don't remember, any time, in the last few years, fans so openly booing the team, and pelting the coaches and players with garbage...hardly the "winning culture" we were hoping for.
This is sad, because I really do like a lot about Jauron, but, in some ways, his stint has been worse than the Gregg Williams "era" (when the team was completely gutted), and the Mike Mularkey "era", which lasted all of one season...started out bad, got hot, and then, ultimately, came up short. I may be wrong, but I get the impression that Jauron has had more football decision making authority than Williams and Mularkey ever did.
Fans have been pretty patient with Jauron, IMO, especially considering Jaurons' so-so past record.
These are like word-for-word quotes of the Bears players when Jauron was taking heat in his last 3 losing seasons in Chicago.
We love him+We respect him+We communicate with him = We don't fear him
"It's up to us to get it done" = do not fire this guy and bring someone in who will work the hell out of us and make us feel like we are playing for our jobs everyday.
The bottom line is EVERYBODY wants to have to work as hard as THEY want to. Most don't deserve that privilege, let alone a bunch of young football players who don't understand what it takes to win and haven't had their appetite for victory whetted by sacrifice and success.
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I think Joe D. is right when he talked about the group of current not caring if they win or lose just give me my millions. I know it's been brought on the board before. As much as I like Trent Edwards and still think he has potential of being a very good QB I don't see a fire to win. I know we had some high priced players in the Kelly years but THEY CARED about winning and got angry when they didn't even if that meant some anger between players. I think we need some of that anger on this team.
I think what has happened with Jauron is that the team has accepted the mediocrity which Jauron himself tolerates. This happened in Chicago as well. I think it goes without saying that they WANT to win, but there is a difference between wanting to win and NEEDING to win. When you play for Parcells, you are either part of the solution or part of the problem, and even when you are winning he is not satisfied unless you are winning the right way. That instills a fear of failure and competitiveness which brings out the best performance in most athletes.
But even though a disciplined, demanding, competitive environment brings out the best in them, the majority of athletes still prefer playing in a forgiving, comfortable environment where they are afforded mistakes and therefore are better positioned to enjoy their everyday life outside of work. This is human nature.
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Why? The goal isn't to merely make the playoffs; it's to get to the SB. Marty will NEVER take a team to the SB, much less win it. That is pretty much guaranteed.
And in his 5 years with the Chargers, they made the playoffs twice, despite all that talent. So it would at best be 2-3 years of playoffs, never winning a playoff game, and then he's fired and the process starts over again.
You cite Marty's track record, yet defend Jauron in spite of his.
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For starters, saying that any part of the ST's isn't prepared is preposterous. Few teams spend as much time on ST's as the Bills. And even still, it doesn't explain Lindell missing 2-sub 40-yard FG's, when he previously made 53 of them in a row. And he's kicked a lot of FG's from the left hashmark. He needed to make those kicks, and didn't.
We all know Lindell should have made those kicks. But would a 10-9 loss or 12-9 victory have made you feel better about the gameplan, the playcalling, the game management, the preparedness? The way it ended up was just the insult on top of the injury. This team is poorly coached and most disburingly, they are regressing in year 3. Now they aren't even taking care of business against the dog teams they've padded their losing record against the past two years.
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Before we look at the coaches we need to look at the execution of the players. Missed field goals, bad penalties, and dropped balls fall at the feet of the guys on the field. Execution of less than 6 plays decided the outcome of the last two losses. Had we won those we would not be having this conversation.
No, before we look at the players, we need to look at the results of Dick Jauron's 8 year HC career. To avoid his 7th losing season in that span, he needs to win 2 games against teams with winning records in the final 4 weeks. Twice as many as he's won in the past 3 seasons combined.
There are times when it's wrong to blame a coach. This is not one of them.
Jauron is a bottom feeder. He gets his few wins at the expense of other bad teams by advocating a style of football that is effective against teams that are willing to take risks in the belief that it will make them better in the long run. Jauron's style is effective in that respect, but not conducive to improvement. That's why he can beat a GB and Jacksonville in 2006 while they are taking chances to get better, yet not even sniff the playoffs the next season when they are playing in their respective league championship games. Last year, they won a total of 5 games against Washington, Miami and NYJ. Where are THEY now.
The conversation may be new to you, but Jauron's utter lack of production is OLD news.
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The most embarrassing loss in the past decade was the NE game at home last year. Touchdowns allowed on 8 consecutive drives on a nationally televised night game. This nightmare was a TRIUMPH by comparison.
No, what's happening is the people who have been on the fence are finally getting fed up, the people who didn't know now do..
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1) Did you ever notice that Bills players often laugh after a penalty is called against them? McKelvin had just given up a TD, and had a s
t eating grin after getting flagged. The reason for this? Nervous laughter? I am going with Dick Jauron. There is nothing to fear from this emotionless eunuch. 2) WRT catching the punt of the 1 or 2 yard line, my guess is that if Roscoe Parrish had half of a brain, he would topple over sideways.
3) I guess that Lindell has oficially "caught the fever."
4) During the week, Ralph shoud offer Jason Peters a long term deal.
5) JP had decent fantasy numbers I suppose. That well describes him.....a fantasy quarterback. This is bad, but it's a huge step up from Jauron, who is a nightmare. He is a horror show; a slap in the face to each and every Bills Fan.
6) Until I caught myself and remembered it is only football, I was sitting there thinking that I actually hated our pass rush for allowing this nobody and a 75 year old receiver look like Joe Montana and Jerry Rice.
7) Kudos to Duke Preston for finding new, innovative ways to help us lose. Ouch, does he suck, and yes...he is better than Fowler. What a freaking mess.
8) A timeout before a San Francisco punt with 1:52 remaining in the half? Really? Jauron should jump off of a f
ing bridge. I take that back....it's only football.9) Marshawn needs to catch the football before he starts running with it. He is real good, but he has been dropping too many passes this season. Maybe he needs a coach.
10) Why can't our receivers (other than Josh reed) get open? Could someone explain this to me?
11) Here is the question.....are we really any better than we were before the Levy/Jauron Era began? Considering where we drafted and how many first day picks we had, it is sad to have to even ask.
12) After all that.....GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They may be losers, but they are our losers.
With regard to #11, not really. Main reason being that almost all of the early picks of the past 3 seasons were made to replace players that were cut or lost in free agency since Levy arrived. Milloy, Adams replaced by Whitner and McCargo. Marshawn and Poz to replace McGahee and Fletcher. McKelvin to replace Clements. Add in a simialarly bad head coach, and it's no surprise that the team they have now greatly resembles Mularkey's last team.
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Awesome. I stumbled upon a circle jerk of "fans" who live to bash the Bills. Awesome. You guys are probably so happy to be proven right. Great fans.
Here's the thing. All front offices make mistakes. There is nothing easier than looking back and saying they should have done the other thing. Most Bills fans would point to many great decisions Levy made when he was in charge (Lynch, Edwards, Butler, Williams, Walker, etc.) Instead, you knuckleheads love dwelling on the negative. What a bunch of losers.
Here's the facts:
- Levy inherited a huge mess that TD left
- We are in great shape cap-wise and have every major player locked up
- We are one of the top 5 youngest teams in the league
- We are a game out of the playoffs
- We have rising stars at many positions
So instead of being a whiner, perhaps you should realize that the Bilsl are in a lort better shape because of Marv Levy. This team is set up for a very bright future.
Why the personal attacks on this board are tolerated in the name of "being positive" is beyond me. We're here to discuss the Bills.
I'll help you out, here's a guideline to follow: if you wouldn't say it to their face, don't say it. Would you say all that to these people at the TBD tailgate? I doubt it, because you'd clearly be an unwelcome dick if you did. How is it any different here?
It's OK to be negative about the team, they are paid millions with fan dollars to compete and win. It's not alright to attack other fans just because you have a dissenting opinion about the team. Is this really that hard to understand?
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Most people in Jacksonville would be glad to be rid of him.
I initially thought Del Rio was just a meathead. Now, I still think he's a meathead, but there is something more there. Still, his inconsistent handling of the Jags doesn't make me long for him in Buffalo.
Del Rio is a meathead. The Jags won last year because they had the biggest and most physical personnel in the NFL. This year, their OL came apart and when they needed some coaching to get themselve thru it, Del Rio wasn't up to the task. He was also arrogant letting big Stroud go. Stroud and Henderson were the key to that defense and any success the team had for the past 5 years, and because they got by without him much of last season, they didn't think they needed him. Thanks to injuries, now both of their lines are mediocre and that's made them mediocre. Between age, attrition and self inflicted wounds I think the Jags are actually in need of quite a bit of new personnel next season. I hope they keep Del Rio though, he is a meathead who even a Dick Jauron can beat.
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Sorry, Cower does not = Marty, although you did nail their similarities. But, unlike Marty, Cower didn't go into a shell in every playoff game. Also, can you see Marty going through the Kordell Stewart phase? I certainly don't recall the rampant use of trick plays on any team coached by Marty, either.
Cower may be from Marty's tree, but his sphincter isn't as tightly closed. Cower is a far better overall coach, than Marty S, IMO.
With that said, I agree that Marty would give this team an identity, and would probably be a surer bet to the playoffs most years. (I actually think the team might be developing that identity already...just at a painfully slow pace. It would likely speed up under Marty.) I just hate the fact that, once they reached the playoffs, Marty would still be the coach. It reminds me of the Chuck Knox days. Chuck Knox could take any team and build them into a contender. The problem was, that's what the team would likely remain, until a new coach took over.
I don't disagree that it would be better to hire someone who can get one shot at a SB and win it, but short of hiring a young genius coach and getting lucky, Belichick, Parcells and Gruden appear to be set where they are.
As for Marty and Cowher, trick plays aside, both are conservative coaches and Cowher is no better than Marty.
Ah, how easy it is to forget that Cowher has had 5 AFC Championship games at home and lost 4 of them. Also coughed up homefield advantage in a home loss to the Bills in the divisional round of the playoffs in 1993. He had the clear path to the SB 6 times and only got there once in those 6 homefield opps, and was outcoached and his team outplayed in the one they did win against the Colts.
At the very end of his career, he caught the breaks he needed by drawing a Dungy team in the divisional round, Jake Plummer in the championship and most importantly avoiding the Patriots in the playoffs and getting a gimme SB win against an overmatched NFC opponent(with help from some horrible officiating). Didn't hurt that maybe the best DC of this generation returned to work for the Steelers at the end of Cowhers run, either. My guess is he won't be coming to Cowhers next stop.
Second tier coaches like Cowher, Marty and Dungy need to catch a break. In an evenly matched big game you're better off with a schemer like Belichick or Gruden, but over the long haul Marty, Cowher and Dungy get you a lot of chances. Also in defense of Marty, he turned around 3 different franchises including an impressive short stint in Washington. I think he would come right in here and win. Which would also stick it in AJ Smiths craw, which I'm sure Ralph would enjoy.
Cowher, maybe. But he has only done it in one place. He's also probably a $10M per year hire and will have his pick of a number of more attractive places to work, so it's really hard for me to imagine that working out. However, it's worth noting that whomever comes here doesn't have a personnel man for a GM, which means additional say in personnel issues, which should be attractive.
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My vote is for Cowher.
That is the kind of coach you want. A player's coach and motivator who gets the best out of his guys. Hard-nosed football, he's all about power running and mean defense. I love that kind of football. Bill Cowher would make a great coach for us. He'd fit in pretty easily in our blue collar city too.
Cowher = Marty
Cowher is the same style of coach as Marty. That's not surprising because he's part of Marty's tree having been an assistant for Marty until his hiring in Pittsburgh. Both have lost a ton of big games where they were favored because of their often conservative style, but the key is they get there A LOT. Cowher BARELY beat an Indy team that BARELY made the playoffs to get to his first SB, and needed a ton of good fortune and favorable matchups to win his SB. Same thing with Tony Dungy, who has lost a TON of big games, except for that one SB run. The problem is, there aren't enough Belichick's to go around. If you are a perennial loser like the Bills and can get a guy who routinely wins divisions and gets to the playoffs, you need to take it.
I'd take Marty or Cowher. Marty is in less demand and cheaper, but not a lesser coach.
As for the guy who said Marty ball is boring, he missed Marty's run with the Chargers. Bring in Marty and get an identity. Run the ball and use play action, bring back the 3-4 and stock and develop talent.
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True, I do business with some people in Chicago. I usually try not to discuss football at work, but when I talk to the guys in Chicago they never fail to jab me about Jauron. He was so HATED by fans before his firing in Chicago that they kind of keep track of him as if they are afraid that if they aren't watchful he might somehow come back. Imagine 2 more years of Dopey Dick and that would about sum up how pissed they were at him.