BADOLBILZ
-
Posts
25,177 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Gallery
Profiles
Forums
Events
Posts posted by BADOLBILZ
-
-
I'm so pissed!!! I had 2 Bills tickets sitting on my dashboard in my car & some !@#$ broke my window and................ left 2 more!!!
One more reason to take the train to the Toronto game instead.
-
THE laughing stock of the NFL you say? Talk about inferiority complex. You've heard of the Lions, yes? Or the Bangles? How bout the Raiders? The BROOOOOWNS, may be? But us? No. Do casual fans take us seriously? Not for the last 7 weeks they haven't. But to say that we're THE laughing stock, and have been for years is a bit much.
Yeah, the Lions, Bengals and Raiders are funnier, but the Bills are still pretty funny. Top 5 without any doubt. That image of Marv spraying the turd polish on Jauron from that "Bang" Cartoon was pretty damn funny.
-
It's all about the QB play. Jauron=Belicheck without Brady....very similar records as head coaches.
A great QB hides so many deficiencies on your team. If Trent played the whole season like the 1st 6 games and the KC game we would not even be having this conversation.
Jauron and Belichick aren't any more comparable as head coaches than they were as defensive coordinators.
-
God bless ya man, but you're trying to teach to a bunch of brick walls who have no idea what the hell they're talking about.
What is truly scary is that the media doesn't get this. I understand that truly having a CHOICE to defer is a new thing, but what football fan who has seen a few seasons worth of games hasn't lamented the fact that an opponent was putting a score on their team at the end of the half and THEN has the ball first in the second half too.
-
I totally disagree. How many times are the Bills behind in a game, let the other team score at the end of the half, only to have the team get the ball again? You want the ball to start the 2nd half always. Remember SB 25? Remember how long it was before the Bills got the ball from the 2Q to the 3Q? Let you D set the pace early and defer.
PTR
Exactly. What gets me is that people don't understand that teams don't score on their first posession simply because they get the ball first. I mean, seriously, do people think the defense is giving up long scoring drives just because they didn't get to stand on the sidelines and watch their offense first? The reason the defense gets scored upon early is because opposing offensive coordinators routinely get the best of Perry Fewell early. He reacts in subsequent posessions. Making the opponent take the ball SECOND is not going to change this problem, it's just going to give them an additional opportunity to potentially get that double posession.
-
I agree.
However, I don't know what you mean ay an "extra possession"? There is no extra possession. The only possession that is guaranteed by kicking off in the 1st half is getting the ball first in the 2nd half, but I wouldn't refer to it as an "extra" possession.
In any event, it makes no sense to defer unless you've got the Steel Curtain defense out there or unless your defense it putting up more points than your offense. If that's not the case, then it is just plain stupid to defer. You are right -- it is not playing to win -- to pin the opponents backs to the wall early. It is playing with the expectation of failure. What a $%#&% loser Jauron is. The players can back him all they want, but it won't change the fans' opinion until they win football games.
Great point you make about the kick return game -- if you've got a weapon like that you use it and you use it EARLY. With any luck, they won't be kicking the ball much during the game, so let your kick returner get one to start the game.
Yeah, there is the potential for an extra posession. See Promo's post. Posession alternates EXCEPT from half to half where it is possible to have two consecutive posessions.
-
Second thread on the same subject.
http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?s=&am...t&p=1248470
Ironic that Jauron dumped the few veteran leaders on the team when he got here and that after 3 years the team has no identity and no leadership.
One of the most often cited things present in this year's quick turnaround teams (Atlanta, Miami, Baltimore) is that there was a 180 degree change in accountability made and filtered on down.
Some specific examples:
Parcells and his staff told every player on the first day, "You are expendable. We will be looking to replace you with someone better at all times. You will do what we say or you will be gone." Joey Porter was one that said he was initially unhappy with this because he suddenly had to start practicing hard everyday even on fundamentals, paying attention in meetings, being on time. (End of the country club.)
Matt Ryan walked into his very first NFL huddle with the play turned to his veteran receiver and told him that he was throwing a bomb and that the receiver was going to run his a55 off and catch it or get his a55 kicked. Country club was over.
Harbaugh came into Baltimore and told his guys that they weren't playing patty cake anymore. Suit up and buckle your chin straps, we got a lot of work to do. Country club was over.
Well put. I can't understand why people don't get this. Parcells repeatedly turns trash into treasure because he demands success. He understands that when you treat the vast majority of players like they are special, you get poor performance. He tells them they aren't special. You are here only until you stop producing. The transformation starts with fear of failure and evolves into desire to achieve. The Bills players have no fear of failing Jauron.
-
One more time: The team that scores first has a statistically significant advantage in winning. IF you feel your defense can get a 3 and out, or even has a reasonable chance to stop the other team, defering is reasonable. When you have our defense, defering is a losing strategy. I.E.: San Fran was ripe to get beat: west coast team flying east, poor record, nothing to play for. We had a chance to put 'em down early, get our crowd into the game, make it tough for 'em. Instead, we GIVE them the ball, they march it down our throats, gain enthusiasm, and never trailed in the game. So do we learn from that? No. We did it again against the Fins. Only this time, it took 2 possesions, as we held 'em, then they held us, got field position, and scored. Defering is not a no-brainer when your defense routinely gives up early scores, as ours frequently does. Having an "extra" possesion in the second half is less helpful than scoring early and gaining momentum, in my opinion.
I'd like to see proof that getting the ball first increases your chance of scoring first.
Until this season, winning the coin flip meant you virtually HAD to take the ball, because deferring meant you would give the opponent the first posession in each half. A coin flip over time is a 50/50 proposition. So, over time, the better team only gets the ball 50% of the time.
So while scoring first means you win the game over 60% of the time, what that really means is that the better team scores first over 60% of the time. The better team only gets the ball first half of the time. So getting the ball first is not a factor.
Most teams defer for one obvious reason. They don't want to get scored on in both the last posession of the first half and first posession of the second half AND they want to potentially score themselves if they get a double posession. Double posessions have the real potential to blow games open, just like a turnover. Teams who finish with a +1 turnover margin win more than 75% of the time.
-
Coaching is the biggest issue. But I agree that there is too little talent on the team considering the wealth of high draft picks at the Bills disposal in the past 9 years.
The reason is obvious.
The reason for the dearth of talent has been letting quality players walk. I don't know how many times I've said this, but losing Lawyer Milloy, Willis McGahee, London Fletcher and Nate Clements meant the team had to use 3 first round picks and a 2nd round pick on replacements Donte Whitner, Marshawn Lynch, Paul Posluszny and Leodis McKelvin. The net result is NO TALENT GAIN to show for three years worth of premium picks. The only player out of that group who would have otherwise needed to be replaced in that span was Milloy. That is PRECISELY why this team has not made strides in terms of personnel.
Additionally, they had to deal a 3 and a 5 last offseason for Marcus Stroud. Because after 3 years of horrendous run defense, they finally made a move to repair the damage done Donahoe let Pat Williams walk. The same Pat Williams who has played at a Pro Bowl level for a 4 seasons since he left.
Think of all the OL/DL/LB/TE talent that was left on the table on draft day. Opportunity lost.
Meanwhile, the Bills are some $20M under the cap.
I do not understand the philosophy behind continually letting productive players walk when YOU DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE REPLACEMENTS ON THE ROSTER. It's absolutely idiotic.
-
Actually, the Bills deferred and kicked off to SF:
Yeah, I was mixing up the SF and Cleveland games. They've melded together in my mind. Of course, in the Cleveland game the Bills immediately turned the ball over after receiving the opening kickoff.
But hey, don't get me wrong, I understand what you are saying about not knowing his team. But I'm not sure if he doesn't know them or just can't do anything about it.
I mean, when I think of not knowing his team, I think of Gregg Williams, the author of the "preposterous punt". I'll never forget that game against NE, when trailing by 20 to the Pats early in the second half, Williams chose to punt on 4th down from well inside the Pats 40. Worst decision to punt EVER. And, as Easterbrook would say, the football gods were not pleased. The punt went into the endzone, netting about 15 yards and the Pats then marched right down the field and scored yet again. I'll never forget the sinking feeling I had when I saw Moorman trot out to punt that ball. It was the same feeling I got when I found out the Bills were hiring Jauron.
-
I'm just as pissed at Jauron as everyone here, decision making, play calling, game prep, ect... all terrible and we are playing like disgraces. But we could have been alot worst than 7-9 last year without his leadership (that we must have left behind last season). I think the players might have a negative reaction if we fire him, we did just give him an extension, and he does have a great defense mind. See if he's down for a demotion at the same pay rate even give him an assistant HC job title (which doesn't really mean much), and get someone in here that will light a fire under our A$$.
Jauron has a defensive background, but he's not a great defensive mind. A myth born by the fact that he was hired as a HC...so he must have been a great coordinator, right? He was nothing special as a coordinator. His defense kinda' suckedballs in Detroit and he wasn't even a candidate for any other HC job. Not even in Detroit!
-
I was suprised by Marv's quick exit after two years in the GM role. Hindsight suggests it was not health. I wonder if he knew the boat was full of holes and decided he did not want to stay around and watch it sink.
Oh now we're throwing Marv under the bus! Good grief. I mean, is Marv the one badly coaching the team? Is he the one dropping the passes and missing the tackles? How was he to know that Jauron was a loser? Or that none of his first crop of free agents would be worth a damn. Or all the other dumbsh*t the organization did while he was generally managing it.
-
Why is this discussion being made in a vacuum, as though Jauron is the only coach deciding to defer all the time? Week after week I watch games and without an exception that I can think of, the winning team defers. Like I said, it's just an inane criticism.
If you want to criticize Jauron, how about focusing on the things that competent coaches do that he doesn't?
I totally agree, which is why I started this thread. There are so many things that make Jauron a losing head coach, and attacking him for doing this actually dillutes the argument, IMO. I mean, let's talk about his horrendous track record, his poor choices of coordinators, his weak grasp of modern offensive football, his poor gameplanning, his questionable assessment of personnel and most glaring, his dreadful, slow blinking, gameday decision making.
I think part of the reason that things like his calm demeanor and choice to defer are issues is that a lot of folks were willing to overlook his track record. Some even defended him and compared him to great coaches who had losing starts. Now, it just feels better for them to think that the problem is just now being identified, rather than something that should have been expected the day he was hired. I mean guys, I care a lot less about his pale, deathly appearance than I do his 7 losing seasons in 8 tries.
-
With regard to other teams, I get it, but he's gotta know his own team.
p.s. The Jets and Raiders both received first and scored opening drive FGs.
p.p.s. In the Browns game, the Browns deferred, and McKelvin returned it to near midfield -- excellent position.
Yeah, I think the bigger issue is why do the Bills give up a score on the opponents first drive so often? My take is that the Bills defense too often presents the opposing offense with exactly what they expect to see. Fewell observes how the opponent wants to attack his defense on that first drive, and then reacts in subsequent posessions. I hate that. I want my defensive coordinator to know what the opponent is trying to do and attack from snap one. However, there is no reason to think that receiving the ball first is going to prevent the opponent from scoring on THEIR first drive. See that long, methodical, well schemed drive by SF after the Bills squandered good field position after receiving that opening kickoff.
-
Since 1950, teams that scored first with a TD have won 63% of the time. In 2006 -- a typical year -- the team that scored first (FG or TD) won 64% of the time. I like those odds. Sometimes it's best not to overthink things and simply focus on grabbing the earliest opportunity to take the lead.
I knowed that. But does getting the ball first actually increase the likelihood of scoring first? I tend to think that stat is as even as the coin flip which decides it. The reason being that it is irrespective of the quality of the team. Your stat basically tells us that the best team scores first about 2/3 of the time, which is not surprising at all.
-
It appears that the vintage '08 Bills need to be blown up, and with them goes a great storyline that I had become really attached to earlier in the season.
When we were looking good just a few weeks ago, I was high on my Bills. Not just because we looked good but because of how we got there. When Ralph Wilson found his organization at a low point following the disastrous Donohoe years, he turned to his old friend Marv to return sanity and respectability to the club. And when we jumped out to such a strong start, I began to think about playoffs, the elusive Lombardi trophy (a season or two or even three away, sure, but we were in the hunt and moving in the right direction), and vindication.
Vindication for Wilson at the end of his years, and for Marv, who couldn't bring it home as a coach but seemed to have set everything up as a GM before gracefully stepping aside. It was all part of his plan. And of course for the long-suffering fans of a team in a long-suffering region where daring to believe in your team has always carried the risk of a big letdown.
(Throw in Tim Russert watching from on high, if you want--I was not a fan--and you now have a story that makes "Rudy" look like a Freddy Kruger movie.)
Now where are we: The team is apparently no better off than when Donahoe left (or when he took over; don't gloat, Mort, you SOB). Ralph Wilson has to wonder if he will see the other side of a rebuilding effort; Marv knows he will never be directly associated with a Super Bowl winner. And us? The future of the franchise is cloudier than ever and we find what comfort we can in shared memories of better teams (or equally bad: thank you, Friggin' Lonnie) and a schtick that Chris Berman started using over a decade ago.
And the story that I had sold out for is now a joke. The selection of Marv seems more worthy of the mocking he received from sports radio at the time than the hopes I (and Wilson, and probably you) had invested in him. The Toronto experiment might make sense for a team on the rise, but for the current Bills, it is a double failure: Moving the game exposes the Bills for their inability to draw spectators within a few hours of home, because the team is bad and spiraling downward. And it deprives its fans of the opportunity to root against the hated Dolphins in the game that is still an important measure of success. What talent we have hasn't been developed, and opportunities to reload have been sqandered on players who can't cut it. Coaching seems to be something other teams do.
Lots on the horizon for the Bills and its fans. But vindication is a long, long way off.
I liked that story.
kj
As Bills fans, we are guilty of being a bit too nostalgic about the Jim Kelly era. That team didn't win a SB. They were outstanding and very entertaining, but the bar is set too low here and we are far too concerned with validating what those guys did. They are what they are, a very talented team that choked in the Super Bowl because they weren't quite great.
It was asking way too much to expect Levy to come in off the street and match wits with the best GM's in the game. He hired a coach like himself to coach a team he couldn't have won with. He carelessly discarded veterans and then used prime picks to replace them when his roster was much more in need of additions without subtractions. He greatly overvalued two crops of free agents.
-
I'm not any happier with Jauron than anyone is, but deferring the kickoff is absolutely the right play for this and most every team.
Here is why:
Because posession is not alternated from the end of one half to the beginning of the next, by deferring it is then possible to have two consecutive posessions by having the ball last in the first half and first in the second half. Getting the opportunity to score twice without the opponents offense seeing the field is a huge momentum swing, equivalent to scoring and then scoring again off of a turnover. Conversely, by deferring you guarantee that you WON'T GIVE UP two consecutive scores without somehow making a mistake and turning the ball over.
In essence, deferring gives you the opportunity to blow a game open or prevent another team from blowing it open against you.
Now, if you have a DOMINANT offense, then maybe you play it differently. Get the lead and try to take your opponent out of their game. But short of that, you defer.
In addition, if you are concerned about crowd noise, the beginning of the second half is the quietest time of most any competitive game. If you are home, you want their offense off the field at that point. If you are on the road, you want your offense out there.
-
No big deal to be wrong. The big deal is what a prick you were to people who have been critical of Jauron. You and a lot of other so called "positive" people who turn their frustration on fellow fans instead of directing it at the organizaton. Are you now the "idiots"? The intolerance of some TSW members toward those who are critical of the organization is ridiculous. Face facts, all Bills fans want this team to succeed, but the Bills organization does not deserve the benefit of the doubt and questioning their direction is not an attack on you.
-
From my viewing spot down here in NC, here's my rant.
1. do Bills players actually rush the passer? Chris Kelsey is the most paid piece of garbage on the defense. How about signing a pass rusher in the future because we may all complain about Aaron Schobel but the DL sucks without him and sucks huge!
2. Miami doesn't give many away but a tournover every now and again would be nice.
3. Do the Bills have any quick hitting passing plays?
4. Exactly why did we draft that 6'6" goof ball from Indiana? Besides one play early in the season has he made any? And didn't we draft that goof for fade routes in the end zone? Should Steven Johnson be playing more?
5. Does JP realize the other team does rush the passer? The human statue (one in a long line of Bills statues) doesn't under the concept of throwing a ball away.
6. Where did Fred Jackson go?
7. So Jason Peters wants to the highest paid linemen in football, why? Well atleast he's better than that idiot center who doesn't even know when his QB is lined up in the shotgun.
8. NFL schedule makers suck, why wasn't Cleveland or San Francisco playing in Toronto. Giving Miami another warm weather game was a miscarriage of justice.
I am so sick of watching the Bills that my status as a fan may start to fade. Since I moved to NC, I have witnessed one playoff game and no one wants to talk about that one. Ay 5-1 I truly though we could contend for a division title and be relevant again. Just thinking about this crap puts me in a bad mood. To be a player in the AFC would be great but I seriously doubt I'll EVER see that again. Ralph's gonna die and the team will head elsewhere and I will always feel empty.
8. I don't know for certain, but I think they waited to schedule the game in Toronto until after the CFL season was over. The Bills only had two home games left post Grey Cup. Imagine the outcry if they had scheduled the Pats game in TO, on the last day of the regular season, if it meant something.
-
Mike Mularkey was not fired. He quit when Levy was hired as GM. Levy's first choice was to let Mularkey and LeBeau stay at least one more year if not longer. In fact, was LeBeau still here when Levy got here? I thought he left before then. What difference does it make? Look at Kevin Gilbride. He's now a genius leading the Giants' offense to a second consecutive SB, while LeBeau went back to Pittsburgh after he left Buffalo and is leading the best defense in the NFL. Sometimes I think it's just Buffalo. Look at Scotty Bowman. 5 Cups as coach of the Habs. 0 Cups as GM-coach of the Sabres for 5 years. At least 1 Cup as coach of Pittsburgh when he helped out there after their popular head coach passed away. Then another 2 Cups as coach in Detroit. At least Turner Gill got a MAC Championship for UB this season.
LeBeau left PRIOR to Mularkey's second and last season. Not only wasn't he here, he was the D coordinator for the SB champion that year.
-
But...
Mike Mularkey + Dick LeBeau = Fired?
I don't know about your logic...
I don't know about your memory......
-
I laughed when I read that first line because honestly, it's funny. Touche.
But it's not really a concession speech. I've only called for people to not give up on the guy, and I've pointed out that I like him for several reasons. But I don't believe I've ever said that he has proven himself the elite tactician/strategist that you MUST be to win games in the playoffs (let alone make them).
It's easy to criticize easy targets like seemingly dim Mularkey and the egomaniac Gregg Williams. But Jauron really is a good guy of the game, respected universally. I'm starting to wonder, however, if that respect is because he's a really nice guy, rather respect as a Football Mind.
Know what I mean?
I'm not in favor of replacing DJ *UNLESS* a coach is available who has won a superbowl. That's a thin crop. Brian Billick is not an option. That was won by the rarest of good defenses. His offense (his part of the team) was BRUTAL. Bills brutal. So who else has a Lombardi that's alive and unemployed? Cowher, yes. But who else?
Sigh...
Yeah, I do know what you mean. And people want to see nice guys in the game. They just don't want to see them coaching THEIR team.
To the contrary, I wouldn't retain Jauron just because a SB winner wasn't available. There are plenty of SB winnng coaches out there who aren't as good as guys like Marty or Andy Reid. IMO, the ship has sailed for Jauron with this team. The last straw is that THEY know he's a loser now. They've seen him repeatedly "pantsed" on gameday. They've seen his inferior gameplans. They like him, but they don't fear him and it's reflected in their uninspired, unmotivated play. In 3 weeks he will have clinched his 7th losing season in 8 tries. In this "win now" league, that is an eternity of bad football.
I only think it's a 50/50 at best that he gets fired, but they should.
-
That's why a trajectory is very important. You generally would give more latitude to a coach with only 20 wins in first three years if he got 3, 7, 10 wins over that 3 yr span, than 7, 7, 6. No?
Vermeil 1.0 - 4,5,9
Vermeil 2.0 - 5,4,13
Walsh - 2,6,13
Jauron - 7,7,?
You are dead on. Jauron's coaching style does not lend itself to improvement. Rather, it wins 7 games simply by taking advantage of bad teams who are making mistakes in the name of progress.
Last year, I made the point about the 2006 Bills beating teams like Jax and GB, who then went on to their respective conference championship games in 2007 while the Bills repeated their mediocrity. But it's even more obvious in 2008, when you look at what the teams the Bills beat LAST year are doing THIS year. Six combined wins versus the Jets, Fish, Ravens and Redskins. All of those teams are playing playoff caliber football this year. It's remarkable, especially when you consider that 3 of those teams changed coaches too. What next year? Are the Chiefs, Raiders and Rams going to pass us? WTF?
They aren't getting better, folks. What's more, they are uninspired by the coaching and it shows in a lack of discipline and focus, which translates to the missed blocks and tackles, dropped passes etc.. that some seem to think is not tied to coaching.
-
You think JP has a future as a serviceable backup in the NFL? Or do you think he bounces around for a year or two before he's out? I had thought the former, but after today, I dunno. He looks like a really bad player.
Honestly, I don't care enough to think about what will happen to him. I just viewed him as a famialar renta-sub for this season, the competitive portion of which ended on that monday night against the Browns.
I don't really care how he plays the string out. As badly as he played today, I had no animosity about his performance. Entire units are playing like total dogsh*t, and when that starts happening it's not just the players. There are players who have been detrimental to the team for years who gotta' go, like Robert Royal for instance, but first and foremost they need better coaching and that staff needs to decide who stays and goes.
Give us Sparano and his staff, and give them Jauron and WE SWEEP THEM. Amazing what they've done with that cast of washouts and rookies.
Wall Street Scam
in Off the Wall Archives
Posted
IMO, two reasons. Rich people ripping off rich people is less outrageous to the average person and that's what this looks like on the surface. And this case is new and unexpected, versus the old news that many large unions were providing their membership with compensation that was undermining the growth of their respective industries. A lot of working people all over the country have long been jealous of the impressive, and sometimes inexplicable, compensation that many union workers have received for doing the same type or lesser skilled labor than they have done for much less. It's a have vs. have-not conflict at the working class level which interests a whole lot more people.